Best Health Care, Huh?

[Stephanie]

We changed your Pub scam of a system , hater dupes. If you don't like, YOU move, "no compromise, un-American TP GOP"- TIME...Pfffft!!

what do you care how ObamaCare is going to hurt people
I witnessed my 86year old mother's last year of her life under Medicaid being herded like cattle from one place to next, poking prodding and never could find the blood that was leaking into her stomach, transfusions every month and she has no veins so they stuck pic line in her neck until she finally died a miserable death suffering for two weeks from that dirty pic line they forgot to clean...

yea for socialist care

 

[Statistikhengst]

more at link

Five ways the American health care system is literally the worst - Vox

Categories like the following:

access
efficiency
equity
healthy lives​

don't measure the quality of healthcare. They measure how socialist it is, or they measure cultural issues that affect health.

The article doesn't explain how the other categories:

effective care
safe care
coordinated care
patient centered care​

are measured. Furthermore, the last two sound like bogus measures that don't really measure the quality of the care.

The only thing that really measures the quality of healthcare: ie, how many people who go into the hospital with a health issue come out with a successful resolution. The United States beats every other country by far in that category - the only one that matters to the patient.

In short, your article is bullshit propaganda.

what it measures is ACCESS. if you can't OBTAIN health care, then it doesn't matter how effective, safe, coordinated or patient-centered the care is.

so yes, i'd choose columbia pres/ny hospital cornell over almost anything in the world if i needed a hospital (or mass general or johns hopkins, etc.) but if you earn $100,000 a year and your care is going to cost $300,000 then it doesn't matter how good the doctors are.


as for it meaning how many people who go to a doctor have a successful resolution, what else would you measure health care by some fantasmagircal make believe standard where you chant USA USA?

how about the right stop being defensive about the things we don't do well... and start solving problems?

oh right... that would mean thought, that a desire to solve those problems and actually govern.

never mind.

There you go. Indeed, that is half of the equation.


Like I said, I am gonna completely study the data and also research VOX - I believe this is actually part of the Luxembourgisch-TV Station with the same name. Follow the money trail.

But there cannot be a doubt that the US Health Care system lags sorely behind a number of others and Obamacare is the first step in fixing the problem.

No amount of RW bellyaching on this thread is going to change the fact that Obamacare is here to stay and that is, for the most part, a very good thing.

 

[Anathema]

what it measures is ACCESS. if you can't OBTAIN health care, then it doesn't matter how effective, safe, coordinated or patient-centered the care is.

jillian, I'm sorry to have to be the one to break this to you but health care is not a RIGHT in the United States. It never has been and hopefully never will be. Therefore "access" is something that is never likely to be where you want it to be.

See, here in the United States health care is an INDUSTRY. It's a BUSINESS. Therefore, those things which do not make the doctors, clinics, and hospitals money are not going to be offered. I understand that you and many others don't like that idea, so I've got a potential fix to the problem....

Move to Canada or the UK or France, or whichever other country has the system you most prefer and leave us AMERICANS to our own devices.

 

[Seawytch]

Having been in both the American and Canadian systems, I would rather be in the American system.

But if I were poor or lower middle class, I'd rather be in Canada.

Well, I happen to put great store in American exceptionalism and I think we can set up our public/private system better than any other country. Better than Germany, better than Canada. It's just going to take us longer because we're younger.

 

[Seawytch]

what it measures is ACCESS. if you can't OBTAIN health care, then it doesn't matter how effective, safe, coordinated or patient-centered the care is.

jillian, I'm sorry to have to be the one to break this to you but health care is not a RIGHT in the United States. It never has been and hopefully never will be. Therefore "access" is something that is never likely to be where you want it to be.

See, here in the United States health care is an INDUSTRY. It's a BUSINESS. Therefore, those things which do not make the doctors, clinics, and hospitals money are not going to be offered. I understand that you and many others don't like that idea, so I've got a potential fix to the problem....

Move to Canada or the UK or France, or whichever other country has the system you most prefer and leave us AMERICANS to our own devices.

You hope that access to lifesaving care is never a right in this country? Quite respectfully, I hope your hope dies on the vine.

 

[Anathema]

Well, I happen to put great store in American exceptionalism and I think we can set up our public/private system better than any other country. Better than Germany, better than Canada. It's just going to take us longer because we're younger.

It's also going to take longer because you've got people like ME and my family who will not take Government Health Care. We would rather DIE, thank you very much.

 

[Anathema]

You hope that access to lifesaving care is never a right in this country? Quite respectfully, I hope your hope dies on the vine.

You've got to PAY to PLAY. That's a very simple concept. If you cannot PAY, why would you expect someone to give you lunch, or housing, or anything else? Why is health care any different?

Personally, I'd die before I take any Government Health Care. At least I'd go to my grave with a clear conscience.

 

[Stephanie]

Having been in both the American and Canadian systems, I would rather be in the American system.

But if I were poor or lower middle class, I'd rather be in Canada.

Well, I happen to put great store in American exceptionalism and I think we can set up our public/private system better than any other country. Better than Germany, better than Canada. It's just going to take us longer because we're younger.

no, you put all your hope on a man called Obama...


so stop lying

 

[Derideo_Te]

We changed your Pub scam of a system , hater dupes. If you don't like, YOU move, "no compromise, un-American TP GOP"- TIME...Pfffft!!

what do you care how ObamaCare is going to hurt people
I witnessed my 86year old mother's last year of her life under Medicaid being herded like cattle from one place to next, poking prodding and never could find the blood that was leaking into her stomach, transfusions every month and she has no veins so they stuck pic line in her neck until she finally died a miserable death suffering for two weeks from that dirty pic line they forgot to clean...

yea for socialist care

Sorry to hear about your mother, Stephanie.

But I have to ask the obvious question.

What was stopping you from taking her to specialists and hospitals at your own expense if the "socialist care" was so "inferior" and they couldn't find the problem? There are plenty of excellent doctors and hospitals in the private sector in this nation. Why didn't you take your mother to one of those instead?

 

[Seawytch]

You hope that access to lifesaving care is never a right in this country? Quite respectfully, I hope your hope dies on the vine.

You've got to PAY to PLAY. That's a very simple concept. If you cannot PAY, why would you expect someone to give you lunch, or housing, or anything else? Why is health care any different?

Personally, I'd die before I take any Government Health Care. At least I'd go to my grave with a clear conscience.

In my personal opinion, healthcare, like the defense of our nation, should not be a "for profit" industry. Insurance companies are not looking out for the interest of their consumers, of the patients, of Americans...they look out only for their shareholders. That amounts, again in my personal opinion, to profiteering.

We have the best military in the world, right? That's what everyone says. Oddly enough, we have the best military in the world and it's not a business. It's not for profit.

Now imagine that we were putting the amount of money into our military that we are, but instead of having the best military, we rank towards the bottom. THAT is our healthcare system and you're just fine with it, but what if it were our military?

 

[Stephanie]

We changed your Pub scam of a system , hater dupes. If you don't like, YOU move, "no compromise, un-American TP GOP"- TIME...Pfffft!!

what do you care how ObamaCare is going to hurt people
I witnessed my 86year old mother's last year of her life under Medicaid being herded like cattle from one place to next, poking prodding and never could find the blood that was leaking into her stomach, transfusions every month and she has no veins so they stuck pic line in her neck until she finally died a miserable death suffering for two weeks from that dirty pic line they forgot to clean...

yea for socialist care

Sorry to hear about your mother, Stephanie.

But I have to ask the obvious question.

What was stopping you from taking her to specialists and hospitals at your own expense if the "socialist care" was so "inferior" and they couldn't find the problem? There are plenty of excellent doctors and hospitals in the private sector in this nation. Why didn't you take your mother to one of those instead?

I wished I could of

 

[Seawytch]

We changed your Pub scam of a system , hater dupes. If you don't like, YOU move, "no compromise, un-American TP GOP"- TIME...Pfffft!!

what do you care how ObamaCare is going to hurt people
I witnessed my 86year old mother's last year of her life under Medicaid being herded like cattle from one place to next, poking prodding and never could find the blood that was leaking into her stomach, transfusions every month and she has no veins so they stuck pic line in her neck until she finally died a miserable death suffering for two weeks from that dirty pic line they forgot to clean...

yea for socialist care

I too am very sorry to hear that your mother suffered such treatment...however, the Affordable Care Act is not responsible nor is it "socialist" you do realize don't you? It's private insurance, not "government" care.

The VA is "socialist" and "government care". Care at VA hospitals, when you can get it, is among the best in the country. Care received by VA patients and Medicare patients are consistently rated the best in the US in patient satisfaction surveys.

So Steph, what would you like the option for your Mother on Medicare to have been? What would you like to see done to insure that people like your mother don't suffer under inadequate care?

 

[francoHFW]

Sorry, hater dupes- you're ALREADY paying for everyone's health care, just in the stupidest, cruelest way possible, with 40k+ deaths....the courts have already ruled you can't be turned away from care, but no preventive care and bankruptcies is STUPID...

 

[Derideo_Te]

what it measures is ACCESS. if you can't OBTAIN health care, then it doesn't matter how effective, safe, coordinated or patient-centered the care is.

jillian, I'm sorry to have to be the one to break this to you but health care is not a RIGHT in the United States. It never has been and hopefully never will be. Therefore "access" is something that is never likely to be where you want it to be.

See, here in the United States health care is an INDUSTRY. It's a BUSINESS. Therefore, those things which do not make the doctors, clinics, and hospitals money are not going to be offered. I understand that you and many others don't like that idea, so I've got a potential fix to the problem....

Move to Canada or the UK or France, or whichever other country has the system you most prefer and leave us AMERICANS to our own devices.

The Welfare of the People embraces Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Without affordable healthcare life is in jeopardy and the pursuit of happiness is not feasible for those who are sick.

So the right to Life means affordable healthcare. How many children would die from treatable conditions without affordable healthcare? Don't they have a right to Life in your opinion?

What about those that are injured in the course of providing you with access to food, water, power, shelter, roads, etc? Must their Pursuit of Happiness be sacrificed on the alter of your regressive attitude?

We the People get to decide whether we want affordable healthcare as a right. That is what forming a more perfect union is all about. We the People decide our own destiny though a government of the people and by the people.

So you are entitled to your opinion but you alone don't get to decide what is and isn't a right that We the People can benefit from.

 

[Derideo_Te]

what do you care how ObamaCare is going to hurt people
I witnessed my 86year old mother's last year of her life under Medicaid being herded like cattle from one place to next, poking prodding and never could find the blood that was leaking into her stomach, transfusions every month and she has no veins so they stuck pic line in her neck until she finally died a miserable death suffering for two weeks from that dirty pic line they forgot to clean...

yea for socialist care

Sorry to hear about your mother, Stephanie.

But I have to ask the obvious question.

What was stopping you from taking her to specialists and hospitals at your own expense if the "socialist care" was so "inferior" and they couldn't find the problem? There are plenty of excellent doctors and hospitals in the private sector in this nation. Why didn't you take your mother to one of those instead?

I wished I could of

But what was stopping you? Why couldn't you?

 

[francoHFW]

Sorry, Steph, but that could have happened with any form of payment, and at least it didn't bankrupt the whole family....with a real system.

 

[Derideo_Te]

You hope that access to lifesaving care is never a right in this country? Quite respectfully, I hope your hope dies on the vine.

You've got to PAY to PLAY. That's a very simple concept. If you cannot PAY, why would you expect someone to give you lunch, or housing, or anything else? Why is health care any different?

Personally, I'd die before I take any Government Health Care. At least I'd go to my grave with a clear conscience.

In my personal opinion, healthcare, like the defense of our nation, should not be a "for profit" industry. Insurance companies are not looking out for the interest of their consumers, of the patients, of Americans...they look out only for their shareholders. That amounts, again in my personal opinion, to profiteering.

We have the best military in the world, right? That's what everyone says. Oddly enough, we have the best military in the world and it's not a business. It's not for profit.

Now imagine that we were putting the amount of money into our military that we are, but instead of having the best military, we rank towards the bottom. THAT is our healthcare system and you're just fine with it, but what if it were our military?

To this day I still have a problem with the concept of a family having to make the choice between the health/life of their child and bankruptcy.

 

[Redfish]

more at link

Five ways the American health care system is literally the worst - Vox

Categories like the following:

access
efficiency
equity
healthy lives​

don't measure the quality of healthcare. They measure how socialist it is, or they measure cultural issues that affect health.

The article doesn't explain how the other categories:

effective care
safe care
coordinated care
patient centered care​

are measured. Furthermore, the last two sound like bogus measures that don't really measure the quality of the care.

The only thing that really measures the quality of healthcare: ie, how many people who go into the hospital with a health issue come out with a successful resolution. The United States beats every other country by far in that category - the only one that matters to the patient.

In short, your article is bullshit propaganda.

what it measures is ACCESS. if you can't OBTAIN health care, then it doesn't matter how effective, safe, coordinated or patient-centered the care is.

so yes, i'd choose columbia pres/ny hospital cornell over almost anything in the world if i needed a hospital (or mass general or johns hopkins, etc.) but if you earn $100,000 a year and your care is going to cost $300,000 then it doesn't matter how good the doctors are.


as for it meaning how many people who go to a doctor have a successful resolution, what else would you measure health care by some fantasmagircal make believe standard where you chant USA USA?

how about the right stop being defensive about the things we don't do well... and start solving problems?

oh right... that would mean thought, that a desire to solve those problems and actually govern.

never mind.

Bullshit, NO one in the USA was denied medical care before obamacare. NO ONE. Even those here illegally were treated and it was FREE.

Yes, if you were getting it free, it was a little more inconvenient---------BFD, thats how free stuff works.

Obamacare has destroyed the good parts of american medical care and multiplied the bad parts---------oh, and it will cost more for everyone.

the worst piece of legislation in the history of this nation. YOu dems own it.

 

[Redfish]

You've got to PAY to PLAY. That's a very simple concept. If you cannot PAY, why would you expect someone to give you lunch, or housing, or anything else? Why is health care any different?

Personally, I'd die before I take any Government Health Care. At least I'd go to my grave with a clear conscience.

In my personal opinion, healthcare, like the defense of our nation, should not be a "for profit" industry. Insurance companies are not looking out for the interest of their consumers, of the patients, of Americans...they look out only for their shareholders. That amounts, again in my personal opinion, to profiteering.

We have the best military in the world, right? That's what everyone says. Oddly enough, we have the best military in the world and it's not a business. It's not for profit.

Now imagine that we were putting the amount of money into our military that we are, but instead of having the best military, we rank towards the bottom. THAT is our healthcare system and you're just fine with it, but what if it were our military?

To this day I still have a problem with the concept of a family having to make the choice between the health/life of their child and bankruptcy.

No one in the USA was faced with that choice before ACA, but many could be after ACA.

you dumb libs don't understand what your messiah has shoved up your asses.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Categories like the following:

access
efficiency
equity
healthy lives​

don't measure the quality of healthcare. They measure how socialist it is, or they measure cultural issues that affect health.

The article doesn't explain how the other categories:

effective care
safe care
coordinated care
patient centered care​

are measured. Furthermore, the last two sound like bogus measures that don't really measure the quality of the care.

The only thing that really measures the quality of healthcare: ie, how many people who go into the hospital with a health issue come out with a successful resolution. The United States beats every other country by far in that category - the only one that matters to the patient.

In short, your article is bullshit propaganda.

what it measures is ACCESS. if you can't OBTAIN health care, then it doesn't matter how effective, safe, coordinated or patient-centered the care is.

so yes, i'd choose columbia pres/ny hospital cornell over almost anything in the world if i needed a hospital (or mass general or johns hopkins, etc.) but if you earn $100,000 a year and your care is going to cost $300,000 then it doesn't matter how good the doctors are.


as for it meaning how many people who go to a doctor have a successful resolution, what else would you measure health care by some fantasmagircal make believe standard where you chant USA USA?

how about the right stop being defensive about the things we don't do well... and start solving problems?

oh right... that would mean thought, that a desire to solve those problems and actually govern.

never mind.

Bullshit, NO one in the USA was denied medical care before obamacare. NO ONE. Even those here illegally were treated and it was FREE.

Yes, if you were getting it free, it was a little more inconvenient---------BFD, thats how free stuff works.

Obamacare has destroyed the good parts of american medical care and multiplied the bad parts---------oh, and it will cost more for everyone.

the worst piece of legislation in the history of this nation. YOu dems own it.

Too bad Redfish ignores all of those people who were denied medical care for "pre-existing conditions".