Antifa Explained

[ozro]

Uh....you are right here working for antifa at this moment dumbass

 

[easyt65]

link

Learn to use quotes...

 

[antifa]

Most of us would like to think that we possess a “moral instinct”. Perhaps we imagine that we would be rescuers in some future catastrophe. Yet if states were destroyed, local institutions corrupted and economic incentives directed towards murder, few of us would behave well. There is little reason to think that we are ethically superior to the Europeans of the 1930s and 1940s, or for that matter less vulnerable to the kind of ideas that Hitler so successfully promulgated and realised.

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You're no snowflake.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

That reply just sucks. So juvenile and so full of hyperbole. Why not leave your personal fetishes out of discussions and reply like an adult? The basic idea illustrated was that beating people is wrong. If you won't address this fact, verifiable by simply googling video of people claiming to be affiliated with your 'organization' using said tactics on camera, then you are of no use to the American public.

So, you're saying Liberal organizations have banned people on beliefs?
It's time we fight back, and ban those Companies from their charters for their beliefs.

You see that tough guy fascist crying like a bitch? All you bitches act the same way once you see Antifa in the streets.

;
My picture is in my avatar.... Where's yours???????

How many times you get your face bloodied by Antifa?

I don't go to rallies looking for trouble.

But, it looks like unlike myself you are too afraid to show pictures of yourself.

I have however knocked out people who come looking for trouble.

I knocked out with 1 punch this Italian from my old neighborhood bar in Putnam Lake, NY... He's in the middle of the below picture.. He ran into the girls bathroom to hide form me.

I bet he's tougher than you are

Photo by Polskimoc

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Here is one principle:

Beating people is wrong.

Once you have adopted it, perhaps we can continue with the conversation. Indeed, generally people accept this principle before engaging in civilized conversation of any sort. Somehow it did not make it into the list of principles for the "anti-fascists".

No sane person here believes that republicans are pacifists. You ejaculate to the thought of bombing nonwhite nations.

That reply just sucks. So juvenile and so full of hyperbole. Why not leave your personal fetishes out of discussions and reply like an adult? The basic idea illustrated was that beating people is wrong. If you won't address this fact, verifiable by simply googling video of people claiming to be affiliated with your 'organization' using said tactics on camera, then you are of no use to the American public.

So, you're saying Liberal organizations have banned people on beliefs?
It's time we fight back, and ban those Companies from their charters for their beliefs.

You see that tough guy fascist crying like a bitch? All you bitches act the same way once you see Antifa in the streets.

I also have the picture of the Italian who was a childhood friend who randomly attacked, and beat up a Black guy in the Putnam Lake, park.

Photo by Polskimoc

He's on the right.... Basically a White Negro who beats up the real Negro.

 

[easyt65]

Antifa leader justifies violence before Ben Shapiro's Berkeley speech

'Violence is not only necessary but justified when standing up to Nazi groups, a leader of the antifa, or anti-fascist, movement said this week.

'Mike Isaacson, one of the founders of Washington-based Smash Racism D.C., said that physical violence is an important tool in fighting a political ideology that is rooted in a violence and murder.'

Antifa's leader admitted Antifa showed up with every intention of using violence to strip the white supremacists of their Constitutionally protected right to Free Speech and Peaceful Assembly.

He defends liberal extremists' intolerant, violent, even murderous ideology by claiming White Supremacists are intolerant and have a violent murderous ideology.

Again, ...



"The justification [of the use of violence] is that Nazi ideology at its very core is founded on violence and on wielding power by any means,”

The ignorant POS is incapable f realizing he and his fascist group showed up with the intent of controlling the narrative' and forcing their own ideology onto others using violence to strip Americans of their right to Free Speech. The Constitution does not say 'Right to Free Speech...as long as violent intolerant Liberals agree'.

 

[easyt65]

I don't go to rallies looking for trouble.

Good for you...

 

[emilynghiem]

I have a friend who worked for antifa last summer at trump rallies. He just likes to fight, and doesnt seem to hold any particular political view except he hates white people.

No one works for Antifa. There are no members in Antifa.

Dear antifa
I think by members this refers to
when you referred to "we" in your OP:
"as if you know what we are about."

It seems you want the same powers in numbers as Corporations use
in place of individual accountability. But instead you get right back
the same collective denouncement of the whole group instead of
considering your individual actions, such as when you tried to point
out that Antifa "members"/protestors end up protecting people against attacks.

You want credit for individual actions instead of the collective image that is negative,
but then don't want to accept individual accountability as the man did who gives his
name and represents himself in the video.

I ran into this same problem with Occupy.
The collective group ended up costing more problems
because the individuals willing to take and invest individual responsibility
got run over by the ones with no responsibility. So this collective mob
mentality has destroyed every movement because the people trying
to enact responsible constructive and longterm change get run out
by the mobs of people just in it for show in the media.

We had a very similar discussion and debate, where the MEN
in the group just wanted to commit hit and run protests for the media,
and it was the women and longer term activists struggling to pay
the costs to do the real work that was going to make a difference over time.

antifa please read my previous msg that was longer
very carefully, and tell me if there is any idea you see that
antifa protestors could connect with Occupy and other
Anti-racist activists through pacifica radio for longer term solutions.

If you look at the shorter messages, where people only attack you
over the White Supremacist or violence issues, that is EXACTLY
what you said, a DISTRACTION. You can see the MEN posters
just attacking each other for TURF, while the people with solutions
that I've been trying to rally support around (as outlined in my msg)
get ZERO support because this isn't some glamorous hype in the media
that can be explained in 30 seconds or less. the longterm solutions
LOSE out, as you can see by you and others getting sidetracked.

That has nothing to do with really solving longterm problems.

If you think Chris Hedges is just a sell out, maybe you and I
and Mark Bray can ask him, would he support these longer term solutions?

So we can HAVE both the media team that does this visual protests for hype sake,
AND HAVE the longterm activists and teams working on sustainable solutions in the background.

Can we have BOTH?

Both what Mark Bray/Antifa are trying to do with media hype targeting easy targets
that even the mainstream media can cover quickly

And what Chris Hedges and I are saying are necessary for systemic change
over the long haul?

Please consider that as well, antifa
if we get divided against each other, that's where the other side wins
If we find ways to work together, and cover all bases,
that's how the bad guys win by playing both sides.
We need to learn the same tactics but apply them to
the right solutions that help all people, not apply them for destructive ends
but for sustainable social solutions that unify and uplift people

Thanks and hope we can pull together
the best ideas here, and use them all!

 

[toobfreak]

Conservatives are mainstream middle class people who work hard and pay taxes and don't cause problems.
They want normal things like law and order, strong national defense, decent culture, low taxes and good schools.
They are not Nazis or the Klan or white supremacist.
Being patriotic is not hate
Controlling immigration is not racism.
Capitalism is not oppression.
The Antifa are brainwashed fanatics who are using violence and hate to push a far left wing agenda.

Post a short list of your personal conservative principles.

Here is one principle:

Beating people is wrong.

Once you have adopted it, perhaps we can continue with the conversation. Indeed, generally people accept this principle before engaging in civilized conversation of any sort. Somehow it did not make it into the list of principles for the "anti-fascists".

No sane person here believes that republicans are pacifists. You ejaculate to the thought of bombing nonwhite nations.

AND ODDLY ENOUGH, my poor demented Sir, isn't it always the Left where all the violence comes from? During the election, was it Trump's fans or Hillary's followers who were always showing up at the other person's rallies to pick fights?

During campaign speeches, was it Hillary's speeches constantly interrupted or was it Donald's?

On college campuses is it the Republicans blocking speakers, rioting and breaking windows or is it the Left?

Nah, see, don't you try to float your headcase of BULL here, Barney, Democrats CAUSE wars (like that silly little JV team of ISIS), then leave it up to the Republicans to come along afterwards and deal with the mess. Just so happens that most of crisis hot spots in the world today are NOT in Europe, etc., and most every other place is, yes, non-white.

If I didn't know better, I'd think the Left DELIBERATELY messed up non-white nations just so they could then try to pin a racism rap on the Republicans trying to get the mess straightened out. But Hey, I'm just surprised you haven't accused Trump of being anti-North Korean and having orchestrated the entire conflict on that Peninsula!

Run to your safespace.

Liberal Fail 2.0. Conservatives don't have safe-spaces, Ace, that was a liberal invention created for all of you whinny, delicate Berkeley snowflakes.

 

[antifa]

So, you're saying Liberal organizations have banned people on beliefs?
It's time we fight back, and ban those Companies from their charters for their beliefs.

You see that tough guy fascist crying like a bitch? All you bitches act the same way once you see Antifa in the streets.

;
My picture is in my avatar.... Where's yours???????

How many times you get your face bloodied by Antifa?

I don't go to rallies looking for trouble.

But, it looks like unlike myself you are too afraid to show pictures of yourself.

I have however knocked out people who come looking for trouble.

I knocked out with 1 punch this Italian from my old neighborhood bar in Putnam Lake, NY... He's in the middle of the below picture.. He ran into the girls bathroom to hide form me.

I bet he's tougher than you are

Photo by Polskimoc

Putnam Lake, NY? lmao
What a bunch of snot-nose kids. You should be out trying to get laid instead of hugging on guys.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

What is there to explain?

Anti-Fa are communist revolutionaries who loath free speech.

 

[antifa]

I have a friend who worked for antifa last summer at trump rallies. He just likes to fight, and doesnt seem to hold any particular political view except he hates white people.

No one works for Antifa. There are no members in Antifa.

Dear antifa
I think by members this refers to
when you referred to "we" in your OP:
"as if you know what we are about."

It seems you want the same powers in numbers as Corporations use
in place of individual accountability. But instead you get right back
the same collective denouncement of the whole group instead of
considering your individual actions, such as when you tried to point
out that Antifa "members"/protestors end up protecting people against attacks.

You want credit for individual actions instead of the collective image that is negative,
but then don't want to accept individual accountability as the man did who gives his
name and represents himself in the video.

I ran into this same problem with Occupy.
The collective group ended up costing more problems
because the individuals willing to take and invest individual responsibility
got run over by the ones with no responsibility. So this collective mob
mentality has destroyed every movement because the people trying
to enact responsible constructive and longterm change get run out
by the mobs of people just in it for show in the media.

We had a very similar discussion and debate, where the MEN
in the group just wanted to commit hit and run protests for the media,
and it was the women and longer term activists struggling to pay
the costs to do the real work that was going to make a difference over time.

antifa please read my previous msg that was longer
very carefully, and tell me if there is any idea you see that
antifa protestors could connect with Occupy and other
Anti-racist activists through pacifica radio for longer term solutions.

If you look at the shorter messages, where people only attack you
over the White Supremacist or violence issues, that is EXACTLY
what you said, a DISTRACTION. You can see the MEN posters
just attacking each other for TURF, while the people with solutions
that I've been trying to rally support around (as outlined in my msg)
get ZERO support because this isn't some glamorous hype in the media
that can be explained in 30 seconds or less. the longterm solutions
LOSE out, as you can see by you and others getting sidetracked.

That has nothing to do with really solving longterm problems.

If you think Chris Hedges is just a sell out, maybe you and I
and Mark Bray can ask him, would he support these longer term solutions?

So we can HAVE both the media team that does this visual protests for hype sake,
AND HAVE the longterm activists and teams working on sustainable solutions in the background.

Can we have BOTH?

Both what Mark Bray/Antifa are trying to do with media hype targeting easy targets
that even the mainstream media can cover quickly

And what Chris Hedges and I are saying are necessary for systemic change
over the long haul?

Please consider that as well, antifa
if we get divided against each other, that's where the other side wins
If we find ways to work together, and cover all bases,
that's how the bad guys win by playing both sides.
We need to learn the same tactics but apply them to
the right solutions that help all people, not apply them for destructive ends
but for sustainable social solutions that unify and uplift people

Thanks and hope we can pull together
the best ideas here, and use them all!

Occupy is (was) a very important movement for everybody interested in holding government accountable. Maybe even moreso than Seattle WTO protests. It proved that Obama tyranny is worse than Clinton.

You refuse to accept the fact that agent provocateurs are the ones trying to disrupt and discredit all these protests. It may already be too late to prevent civil war but that doesn't mean we should become inactive.

 

[Norman]

I have a friend who worked for antifa last summer at trump rallies. He just likes to fight, and doesnt seem to hold any particular political view except he hates white people.

No one works for Antifa. There are no members in Antifa.

Dear antifa
I think by members this refers to
when you referred to "we" in your OP:
"as if you know what we are about."

It seems you want the same powers in numbers as Corporations use
in place of individual accountability. But instead you get right back
the same collective denouncement of the whole group instead of
considering your individual actions, such as when you tried to point
out that Antifa "members"/protestors end up protecting people against attacks.

You want credit for individual actions instead of the collective image that is negative,
but then don't want to accept individual accountability as the man did who gives his
name and represents himself in the video.

I ran into this same problem with Occupy.
The collective group ended up costing more problems
because the individuals willing to take and invest individual responsibility
got run over by the ones with no responsibility. So this collective mob
mentality has destroyed every movement because the people trying
to enact responsible constructive and longterm change get run out
by the mobs of people just in it for show in the media.

We had a very similar discussion and debate, where the MEN
in the group just wanted to commit hit and run protests for the media,
and it was the women and longer term activists struggling to pay
the costs to do the real work that was going to make a difference over time.

antifa please read my previous msg that was longer
very carefully, and tell me if there is any idea you see that
antifa protestors could connect with Occupy and other
Anti-racist activists through pacifica radio for longer term solutions.

If you look at the shorter messages, where people only attack you
over the White Supremacist or violence issues, that is EXACTLY
what you said, a DISTRACTION. You can see the MEN posters
just attacking each other for TURF, while the people with solutions
that I've been trying to rally support around (as outlined in my msg)
get ZERO support because this isn't some glamorous hype in the media
that can be explained in 30 seconds or less. the longterm solutions
LOSE out, as you can see by you and others getting sidetracked.

That has nothing to do with really solving longterm problems.

If you think Chris Hedges is just a sell out, maybe you and I
and Mark Bray can ask him, would he support these longer term solutions?

So we can HAVE both the media team that does this visual protests for hype sake,
AND HAVE the longterm activists and teams working on sustainable solutions in the background.

Can we have BOTH?

Both what Mark Bray/Antifa are trying to do with media hype targeting easy targets
that even the mainstream media can cover quickly

And what Chris Hedges and I are saying are necessary for systemic change
over the long haul?

Please consider that as well, antifa
if we get divided against each other, that's where the other side wins
If we find ways to work together, and cover all bases,
that's how the bad guys win by playing both sides.
We need to learn the same tactics but apply them to
the right solutions that help all people, not apply them for destructive ends
but for sustainable social solutions that unify and uplift people

Thanks and hope we can pull together
the best ideas here, and use them all!

Occupy is (was) a very important movement for everybody interested in grabbing a government handout.

Fixed... And antifa takes it to the next level.

 

[EverCurious]

What a bunch of bullshit.

Little wanna be rebels who can't even show their faces and just want a fight. There's no message of any import, no over-arching "meaning" to the movement other than causing trouble - and usually for innocent folks who are, for example, just there to protest the removal of Southern history, aka the statues.

ANTIFA asshats try to beat the shit out of a bunch of historical society nerds then have the fucking gall to try to portray themselves as some kind of "moral good" movement? While playing the dumbass far left snowflake game of "everyone's a Nazi/white supremacist." Fucking ridiculous.

All I see is a bunch of adult children who needed parents who raised them properly; having respect for others and for themselves, to be "a man" and accept responsibility for their actions and beliefs, to understand that violence to shut others up is anti-american and fascist in itself.

You ANTIFA idiots need to understand that you have /zero/ authority in this country, NONE. You are not moral authorities, you are not parents, you are not leading or participating in some imagined revolution, you're just a bunch of shit heads being dicks to people who are weaker than you - because as we've seen the second the oh-so-subjective "enemies" have a means to defend themselves and others, your bitch asses disappear. Good fucking riddance.

 

[Norman]

You ANTIFA idiots need to understand that you have /zero/ authority in this country, NONE. You are not moral authorities, you are not parents, you are not leading or participating in some imagined revolution, you're just a bunch of shit heads being dicks to people who are weaker than you

They indeed are not parents, but that doesn't stop them from living in the basement of their parents.

I am not sure I can agree that anyone can possible be weaker than these Antifa thugs. With these guys it's always at least a 5 vs 1, and they come from behind. They wouldn't engage anyone in a fair fight as they would get their face carved to a new one.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

So, you're saying Liberal organizations have banned people on beliefs?
It's time we fight back, and ban those Companies from their charters for their beliefs.

You see that tough guy fascist crying like a bitch? All you bitches act the same way once you see Antifa in the streets.

;
My picture is in my avatar.... Where's yours???????

How many times you get your face bloodied by Antifa?

I don't go to rallies looking for trouble.

But, it looks like unlike myself you are too afraid to show pictures of yourself.

I have however knocked out people who come looking for trouble.

I knocked out with 1 punch this Italian from my old neighborhood bar in Putnam Lake, NY... He's in the middle of the below picture.. He ran into the girls bathroom to hide form me.

I bet he's tougher than you are

Photo by Polskimoc

Putnam Lake, NY? lmao
What a bunch of snot-nose kids. You should be out trying to get laid instead of hugging on guys.

Putnam Lake's got a lot of tough Bronx, and Yonkers Italians.

A Black lady said we fist-fight more than they did in Brooklyn, Newark, and Hartford some of the worst ghetto she lived in the U.S.A

 

[featherlite]

If you read the Anti-Fascist Handbook, there will be no doubt that Antifa is the modern day version of the Sons of Liberty.

Antifa has a handbook? The good part is they want to dismantle the 2 party system/ corporate chokehold.
... but how in the hell are they 1. going to get everyone on the same page to actually see results and 2. theres no real long term plan.

The video would'nt play for me, I was going to watch a bit of it. Ill try again later ... Im generally curious.

 

[bripat9643]

An honest question. "If you were anti fascist wouldn't you be part of the party that wants less government not more?

Isn't it much easier to pretend to be a good guy, than actually be one?

What we know for fact is the Clergy at Charlottesville would have been beaten or killed without Antifa stepping to stop you white supremacists.

How do you know that?

 

[buckeye45_73]

If you read the Anti-Fascist Handbook, there will be no doubt that Antifa is the modern day version of the Sons of Liberty.

Wrong, you don't even know what the Sons of Liberty were.

 

[bripat9643]

Mark Bray wrote the Anti-Fascist Handbook, and does a pretty good job at explaining the evolution of the movement. The video is 26 minute so I only expect one of you to watch it. The rest of you will remain ignorant, yet continue to post as if you know what we are about.

Mark Bray wrote the Anti-Fascist Handbook, and does a pretty good job at explaining the evolution of the movement. The video is 26 minute so I only expect one of you to watch it. The rest of you will remain ignorant, yet continue to post as if you know what we are about.

Hi member antifa and thanks for posting this.

I relate more to the views expressed by Chris Hedges in this video
but at least understand the Antifa purpose in that context.

I have experience working with both approaches within the Occupy
movement, and the peace and justice community where this issue
came up with the Revolutionary Workers and the Food Not Bombs
and Anti Racist Action as well as La Raza and other groups that
weren't opposed to using violence in protests against war and
global oppression. I share more of Chris Hedges views that
the greater goal IS to reach out and break down the barriers, and
form alliances by making allies within the very ranks being protested and opposed
in order to effect real change. But Mark Bray made it clear that part of the
process is not the goal of Antifa but to protest, target and stop small
groups at the start before they can mobilize into larger movements.

my criticisms of this are pretty much along the lines that Hedges expressed.

What I will say about Antifa
1. even after watching this video that explains their reasons for protest,
it still comes across to me as white men enlisting others to fight turf wars using the
same race baiting tactics against the opposite side. I find the real minorities who are
truly oppressed have needs that are met by working to solve problems across racial,
class and party lines. So although this protests serve a purpose to publicize and
protest problems, like Hedges also stated it doesn't serve to solve the actual problems.

2. in fact, I believe similar to Hedges criticism that these violent protests serve
to strengthen and embolden the very opposition they seek to strike fear and shame into.
Instead like Hedges said, because this doesn't make a dent in the real power structure,
those in power merely exploit these protests to empower more opposition to the opponents,
by demeaning and belittling and discrediting the groups due to violence and other criticisms of methods.
In addition to what Hedges says, I would say that these tactics REINFORCE the "white power"
tactics of divide and conquer and "fear based" politics, that merely keep those people in power further.

What I wish that more people did instead was adopt the tactic where the "greedy people in power"
will set aside their differences and commit to work together to achieve goals that benefit them anyway.
If the activists adopted THAT tactic and found ways to work together, then that would be fighting
fire with fire and beating people at their own game. Instead, taking the opposite path of
divide and conquer by fear based bullying and attacks is playing into the game of remaining
disempowered while those in control play one side against the other and still win regardless.

3. third is I don't see the connection between "people fighting against Nazi Hitler holocaust in Germany"
with antifa protests blaming White Supremacists or Nationalists in America at rallies or protests.
Instead this comes across as trying to silence free speech because the people speaking
at these White Unite the Right rallies are NOT the same as Nazi's having committed genocidal holocausts.

One group is actually fighting in defense against the actual armies and offenders doing the attacks.
The other is trying to do "preemptive" strikes at the point where people are exercising free speech and
haven't been proven to commit any race based attacks or lynchings much less genocidal acts that require physical defense.

Again, I understand Mark's explanation that the point is not to wait for the attacks to get to the point of unstoppable violence that can't be defended against. But if someone is committed offense by their speech, they should be answered
at the same level, so this dialogue should be open and civilized, not set up to fail by waging attacks on each other.

The last time I saw a video with an Antifa person, the woman representing Antifa refused to talk share or even shake the hand of the Unite the Right organizer who offered to dialogue and talk respectfully to address concerns and work it out.

So that's where I would disagree with Antifa and agree more with Hedges that a constructive approach is
more conducive to really changing the oppressive class and race based disparities by direct action and alliances.

4. overall I thank you for trying to reach out which is more than other antifa have been trying to do.
keep up the good work to address these issues,
and my main concern is the same as Hedges where the focus is on
building partnerships and alliances toward positive sustainable change.

I'd rather see those solultions in the media rather than anonymous
protestors attacking people they don't know and getting bad press
that sends the wrong message in the media that merely empowers the very dynamics being protested.

Thanks and keep up the good fight, build bridges not walls,
and support all workers uniting across all parties and classes
instead of being divided by party and conquered and oppressed.

Yours truly,
Emily Nghiem
www.10million.net
www.rightsfortheworkers.org
www.freedmenstown.com

Try to imagine white supremacists as the British soldiers in the northern colonies circa 1770. There was no way for Americans to start solving our problems until we got rid of the British soldiers. That is the purpose of Antifa. We will fade away as soon as white supremacists are no longer a problem so Americans can start focusing on real issues.

Difference is antifa the British soldiers were the actual oppressive military forces.
People just defending white culture by free speech at rallies are not the same as actual soldiers.

This comes across as "misdirected"
like trying to target the "black thugs who are ACTUALLY killing people or cops"
by verbally and physically attacking or protesting "black people speaking out at rallies" but not actually doing the attacks.

Also I forgot to list in my response,
what are you doing or not doing about terrorist attacks, rapes
and selling people into slavery that people are doing other than Whites.
What about Mexican cartels who are committing mass violence and genocide,
what about jihadist terrorists who have taken over govts and terrorized civilians for power.

Are you equally against all men/power tyrants who are oppressing innocent
workers and minorities for military and govt controls?

Otherwise it seems "convenient" to blame and target and protest
civilized white men blaming them for the problems you are trying to use them to symbolize.
But avoiding confronting any really dangerous oppressors because that isn't
convenient or safe. So it looks chicken and cheap, just going for easy targets
but overlooking really gross threats to human rights as in terrorist and trafficking rings.

Isn't this just for convenience?

British soldiers were (are) servants to the crown. White supremacists are tools to distract us from the real issues.

What's your definition of a white supremacists?

Liberal Dictionary:
==============================================
White supremacist - Republican.