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Surprising since it is an easy claim to support:
Messiah #1: Military Leader
The idea that the Messiah was to be a great warrior is not only present in the Dead Sea scrolls. It can also be found in several Aramaic translations (targums) of the Bible, such as the following rendering of the Song of Hannah.
The Lord shall shatter the adversaries who arose to do evil to His people; He shall blast them with a loud noise issuing from heaven. The Lord shall exact punishment from [the proverbial northern enemy] Gog and from the marauding armies of the nations who come with him from the ends of the earth. He shall give strength to His king and shall make great the kingdom of His Messiah.
Cyrus the Messiah? The Historical Background to Isaiah 45:1
According to Isaiah 45:1, Cyrus is YHWH's anointed, his Messiah: Thus says YHWH to his anointed, to Cyrus whom I took by his right hand.
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Then why did Isaiah say he would be called a “God-hero”?What receipts? I can show you every instance of the mention of any anointed person. None says he will be divine, none says he will be rejected, or need a second coming. I can show you references to an end of days when things will happen that are tied interpretively to the arrival of a future Messiah. It is amazing how Christians piggy back on rabbinic interpretations and then decide to abandon any rabbinic Jewish ideas when are no longer useful.
Only in the Royal sense, not his sinful and warmongering sense.Like King David??
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What do you mean "he"? Who do you think Isaiah 9 is talking about? And why do you think that a name is a title? You are starting with a Christian understanding of the verses and then wondering why a Jew doesn't agree with your understanding.Then why did Isaiah say he would be called a “God-hero”?
”For a child is born to us, a son is given to us;
upon his shoulders dominion rests.
They name him Wonder-counselor, God-Hero, Father-forever, Prince of Peace.”
-Isaiah 9:5
Nope, that particular word is used just about David.I will proclaim the decree of the Lord, he said to me, “You are my son; today I have begotten you.”
- Psalm 2:7
Is there anywhere else in the Torah/OT that the Lord says he has begotten a son?
Isaiah didn't write about Jesus.Then why did Isaiah say he would be called a “God-hero”?
”For a child is born to us, a son is given to us;
upon his shoulders dominion rests.
They name him Wonder-counselor, God-Hero, Father-forever, Prince of Peace.”
-Isaiah 9:5
I will proclaim the decree of the Lord, he said to me, “You are my son; today I have begotten you.”
- Psalm 2:7
Is there anywhere else in the Torah/OT that the Lord says he has begotten a son?
It’s talking about the Messiah. Why do you play dumb?Who do you think Isaiah 9 is talking about?
Nope, that particular word is used just about David.
Isaiah didn't write about Jesus.
It’s talking about the Messiah. Why do you play dumb?
What do you mean "he"? Who do you think Isaiah 9 is talking about? And why do you think that a name is a title? You are starting with a Christian understanding of the verses and then wondering why a Jew doesn't agree with your understanding.
Nope, that particular word is used just about David.
I have to say, it’s surprising how some folks here make up stuff in order to discredit Jesus being the Messiah.
Some claim that the title “Son of Man”, which Jesus preferred to use himself, does not refer to being divine. That the prophecies foretold in books such as Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel, etc were only referring to a normal human that would be a king.
Yet in the New Testament, at the trial of Jesus, the High Priests asked him:
"I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!" Jesus said to him, "It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven." Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying, "He has spoken blasphemy! What further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His blasphemy! What do you think?" They answered and said, "He is deserving of death."
Now here the priest asks if he is “the Christ”, which is the Messiah, and adds “the Son of God”.
If the Messiah/Christ was to be a “regular human being” and not divine, why would the priest ask this?
Then when Jesus says he is, and they will see “the Son of Man” sitting at the right hand of the Power, coming on the clouds of heaven, the priest loses his shit and tears his own clothes off and cries blasphemy. Jesus was referencing Daniel, which some folks here claim was not a real prophet. But if that was true then why did the high priest scream blasphemy about its reference then? If Daniel was just some “story” based off some ancient poem, why would the high priest lose his mind and demand Jesus be put to death?
Daniel ch7:
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] comingwith the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
I know reading New Testament is like burning your own eyeballs out for certain people, but can these Christ-deniers explain this paradox?
Surprising since it is an easy claim to support:
Messiah #1: Military Leader
The idea that the Messiah was to be a great warrior is not only present in the Dead Sea scrolls. It can also be found in several Aramaic translations (targums) of the Bible, such as the following rendering of the Song of Hannah.
The Lord shall shatter the adversaries who arose to do evil to His people; He shall blast them with a loud noise issuing from heaven. The Lord shall exact punishment from [the proverbial northern enemy] Gog and from the marauding armies of the nations who come with him from the ends of the earth. He shall give strength to His king and shall make great the kingdom of His Messiah.
Cyrus the Messiah? The Historical Background to Isaiah 45:1
According to Isaiah 45:1, Cyrus is YHWH's anointed, his Messiah: Thus says YHWH to his anointed, to Cyrus whom I took by his right hand.
So you can’t answer the questions.
Is Daniel a prophet, or heretic?
Is the Messiah Jews are waiting for going to be “just a man” or will he be divine?
And you can back this claim up? Nope. As usual you declare something without anything to back it up.
Nowhere did the Lord claim he begot David. David is the son of Jesse.
Many people get called the son of God.In Hosea God calls Israel my son.
That has to be the lamest attempt to distort the words of Isaiah I’ve ever seen.Isaiah is writing about Hezekiah who will be called Emmanuel. Matthew turned it into a prophecy about Jesus.
That's actually not an answer. Who, not what. Why are you avoiding the question as asked?It’s talking about the Messiah. Why do you play dumb?
And yet God used that wording (begotten) in reference to David. Would you rather explain that God used that word in reference to Harry Potter, or some other character absent from the book of Psalms?And you can back this claim up? Nope. As usual you declare something without anything to back it up.
Nowhere did the Lord claim he begot David. David is the son of Jesse.
No. Psalms 2 is not Hezekiah. Isaiah 9 is.Not David, Hezekiah.
Read Hosea.Many people get called the son of God.
Never did God state himself that he begot a son.
Your attempts to undermine it have failed.
