Zone1 A question for Jews

In the Biblical age "son of" meant "reflection of."
Many people were deemed sons of God (reflections of) and being called
"son of Man" probably means to be a reflection of mankinds progression of achievements.
In the scrolls the sons of light vs sons of darkness requires knowing in that age what light and darkness meant.
Light=knowledge & truth
darkness= lies ignorance & folly
Means: "Sons of"(reflections of) knowledge and truth vs those who reflect lies ignorance and folly.
One can say this is taking place now in the political and religious arena in the age of information where as
Daniel 12 1-4 says we go to and fro gaining knowledge.

The War Scroll describes the Rules of War of the Children of Light (knowledge & truth)
against the Children of Darkness (Lies, Ignorance, & Folly).

Fact: Top Messenger Michael was always known as the Messenger of truth (spiritual Light)-Dan 10:21
Remember it's Michael who is known to be THE ONE Overturning the messenger of darkness (lies and ignorance).
And The clearest undeniable description of the Messiah Michael's Kingdom is in the same War Scroll (4Q471)
Where in verse XVII, it says, God will send eternal bliss by the might of
the Princely Angel of the Kingdom of Michael. He will enlighten with joy the children of Israel.

1QM v, 1-2) States:He (Michael)will not have much room to act as Royal Messiah while battling the Sons of Darkness.
“God himself is a supreme agent of salvation and after him in importance is Michael.”

So it doesn't sound like Jesus does it?
Jesus (the imposter) was the lie, it cost us thousands of wars and over 50 million slain over said lie.

Two time periods have been put forward and defended as the most probable time of composition: the Seleucid period and the Roman period.[3] The Seleucid period proposals include the very beginning of the Maccabean Revolt (165 or 164 BCE), the height of Jonathan's military power (143 BCE), and the reign of John Hyrcanus (135–104 BCE).[4] Scholars who believe the scroll was composed during the Roman period propose a date from the middle of the 1st century BCE to the first decade of the 1st century CE.[4] The War Scroll's description of the weaponry and tactics led Yigael Yadin to assign the composition of the scroll to a date between the capture of Jerusalem by Pompey (65 BCE) and the death of Herod (4 BCE).[1] More recently, author Russell Gmirkin disagrees with Yadin's analysis and assigns the weaponry described in the War Scroll to the 2nd century BCE.[5] Lt. Col. Peter Fromm (US Army Ret.) sides with Gmirkin also assigning the army and weaponry described in the War Scroll to the 2nd century BCE.[6]

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Two time periods have been put forward and defended as the most probable time of composition: the Seleucid period and the Roman period.[3] The Seleucid period proposals include the very beginning of the Maccabean Revolt (165 or 164 BCE), the height of Jonathan's military power (143 BCE), and the reign of John Hyrcanus (135–104 BCE).[4] Scholars who believe the scroll was composed during the Roman period propose a date from the middle of the 1st century BCE to the first decade of the 1st century CE.[4] The War Scroll's description of the weaponry and tactics led Yigael Yadin to assign the composition of the scroll to a date between the capture of Jerusalem by Pompey (65 BCE) and the death of Herod (4 BCE).[1] More recently, author Russell Gmirkin disagrees with Yadin's analysis and assigns the weaponry described in the War Scroll to the 2nd century BCE.[5] Lt. Col. Peter Fromm (US Army Ret.) sides with Gmirkin also assigning the army and weaponry described in the War Scroll to the 2nd century BCE.[6]

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around 168-164bc because of the descriptions of the Helenized Wicked Priest (Probably Johanathan Maccabee) and the Man of Righteousness only fit a specific time window before Antiochus desecration of the Temple.
 
What does that have to do with anything? He is an angel, but never does God say his name is in him. He does not have the power to forgive sins.
In Judaism malakhs means messengers, used in scripture for mere men, Rabbi's , Priests, even the Pope calls his bishops and cardinals angels.
The Pope would be considered the arch malakh or Holy Father for his religion, because he's considered top messenger of his god, and he's the head(father) of his host, therefore
The Father in "Heaven"("Olam Habah"-world to come) the rightful Arch Malakh is merely the High Priest of the Mikdash (Temple to come).
 
This is all gibberish, not in the Tanakh. If this is the best you got, then you have nothing to refute the truth with.
Ok then let's use your text:
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a
shout, with the voice of the archangel, and "with the Trump" of God.
Which once again proves the war of Light Vs Darkness is knowledge and Truth (Dan 10:20-21) vs the lawless ones reflecting ignorance, lies, and folly-darkness.
 
Ok then let's use your text:
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a
shout, with the voice of the archangel, and "with the Trump" of God.
Which once again proves the war of Light Vs Darkness is knowledge and Truth (Dan 10:20-21) vs the lawless ones reflecting ignorance, lies, and folly-darkness.

16 For the Lord himself, with a word of command, with the voice of an archangel and with the trumpet of God, will come down from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

Again, what is your point? This is talking about Jesus.
 
16 For the Lord himself, with a word of command, with the voice of an archangel and with the trumpet of God, will come down from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

Again, what is your point? This is talking about Jesus.
Then you just called Jesus Lucifer-the only other termed arch (top) angel (messenger) if you did not see that as Michael.
And the word is Trump not Trumpet.
 
Then you just called Jesus Lucifer-the only other termed arch (top) angel (messenger) if you did not see that as Michael.
And the word is Trump not Trumpet.
The entire chapter is about the second coming of Jesus and the resurrection of the dead.

An Angel is not going to do all that. Angels will be sounding trumpets, as explained in Revelation.
 
The entire chapter is about the second coming of Jesus and the resurrection of the dead.

An Angel is not going to do all that. Angels will be sounding trumpets, as explained in Revelation.
So you are not gonna wish me a happy Michaelemas? :dunno:
 
So you are not gonna wish me a happy Michaelemas? :dunno:
Hey Michael forgot the day happy Michaelemas …I find it humorous how people forgot that “ Angels” were originate mere men with a message for another man or men plural…We can see this in such passages like where Jacob sent “Messengers ” in the plural to his brother Esau… It was only after the second century if I remember correctly they added Wings to them and made them greater then human and some of the pagan and Greek concepts took root such as Angels with supernatural powers.. The other point is the tried and true concept of a second coming … This is rather humorous for a number of reasons…One because Christian’s can’t count .. If Jesus died and was supposedly resurrected that makes once.. If Paul saw him on the road to Damascas that makes two and if he is coming and again that makes three and everytime they see him in their cornflakes or clouds etc etc does that count as well..The other point is he/ Jesus was not supposed to fail in his lifetime if he did then he is unfit for the role plus according to the gospels he was supposed to come back and fulfill everything in the generation or lifetime of his followers but failed to and 2000 years is a long time to wait for a missing Waldo even giving him another chance after chance…. Getting back to the original concept of the Hebrew understandings He did not “ HASHEV“ which means “ RETURN” Restore and redeem….You have that name while the failed guy does not and because the Roman’s created him in their book they don’t even have a proper name for him unless we accept The name Jesus which is humorous because the letter “ J “ was only added to the alphabet in the 16 th century…Interesting how these facts are glossed over and ignored…
 
Hey Michael forgot the day happy Michaelemas …I find it humorous how people forgot that “ Angels” were originate mere men with a message for another man or men plural…We can see this in such passages like where Jacob sent “Messengers ” in the plural to his brother Esau… It was only after the second century if I remember correctly they added Wings to them and made them greater then human and some of the pagan and Greek concepts took root such as Angels with supernatural powers.. The other point is the tried and true concept of a second coming … This is rather humorous for a number of reasons…One because Christian’s can’t count .. If Jesus died and was supposedly resurrected that makes once.. If Paul saw him on the road to Damascas that makes two and if he is coming and again that makes three and everytime they see him in their cornflakes or clouds etc etc does that count as well..The other point is he/ Jesus was not supposed to fail in his lifetime if he did then he is unfit for the role plus according to the gospels he was supposed to come back and fulfill everything in the generation or lifetime of his followers but failed to and 2000 years is a long time to wait for a missing Waldo even giving him another chance after chance…. Getting back to the original concept of the Hebrew understandings He did not “ HASHEV“ which means “ RETURN” Restore and redeem….You have that name while the failed guy does not and because the Roman’s created him in their book they don’t even have a proper name for him unless we accept The name Jesus which is humorous because the letter “ J “ was only added to the alphabet in the 16 th century…Interesting how these facts are glossed over and ignored…
Don't forget the Mormons who swear he came back in the U.S. that's 4.
So, how can 6 be a Trinity?
 
So you are not gonna wish me a happy Michaelemas? :dunno:
Like a typical (fake) Jew, all you can do is slander and lie about Jesus.

I know the slander of those that claim to be Jews and are not, but rather members of the synagogue of Satan. - Revelation 2:9


I realize your Talmud teaches you to lie and slander Jesus. Like in Sanhedrin 43a.


You reject the divinity of the Angel of the Lord, in Genesis and Exodus. You reject the prophecy of Gabriel in Daniel that the Anointed One would be cut down before the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple. (Dan 9:26).
 
Like a typical (fake) Jew, all you can do is slander and lie about Jesus.

I know the slander of those that claim to be Jews and are not, but rather members of the synagogue of Satan. - Revelation 2:9


I realize your Talmud teaches you to lie and slander Jesus. Like in Sanhedrin 43a.


You reject the divinity of the Angel of the Lord, in Genesis and Exodus. You reject the prophecy of Gabriel in Daniel that the Anointed One would be cut down before the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple. (Dan 9:26).
1)bringing up the Talmud which is not to be confused as the Tanakh is usually a tactic of antisemitic hate groups who don't know the Talmud is not the Mikra and not read by many avg Jews.
2)careful using Daniel, he mentions my first and last and given name in passages about best knowing these truths and in fighting the Prince of Persia (which I'm personally known for), but never mentions Jesus who is claimed the thief of Daniel's vision, and Jesus never fought the heart of the Prince of Persia and could never tell you how Daniel could survive a den of Lions.
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Like a typical (fake) Jew, all you can do is slander and lie about Jesus.

I know the slander of those that claim to be Jews and are not, but rather members of the synagogue of Satan. - Revelation 2:9


I realize your Talmud teaches you to lie and slander Jesus. Like in Sanhedrin 43a.


You reject the divinity of the Angel of the Lord, in Genesis and Exodus. You reject the prophecy of Gabriel in Daniel that the Anointed One would be cut down before the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple. (Dan 9:26).
oh for heaven's sake...just go to this page and scroll down to passage 4
 
1)bringing up the Talmud which is not to be confused as the Tanakh is usually a tactic of antisemitic hate groups who don't know the Talmud is not the Mikra and not read by many avg Jews
No, it’s just what Rabbis are taught. It’s not my fault that most Jews are supposedly ignorant of their own religious teachings like the Talmud. That doesn’t excuse its existence.
 
oh for heaven's sake...just go to this page and scroll down to passage 4
LOL nice try.

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They also call Jesus “Balaam“, and the “son of Pandera”, a Roman soldier, and claim his mother Mary was an adulteress.


It‘s funny how these Jews believe someone can raise the dead through necromancy as they did with this “Yeshu” to ask what the punishment was and he said it was being boiled in human excrement.
 
LOL nice try.

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They also call Jesus “Balaam“, and the “son of Pandera”, a Roman soldier, and claim his mother Mary was an adulteress.


It‘s funny how these Jews believe someone can raise the dead through necromancy as they did with this “Yeshu” to ask what the punishment was and he said it was being boiled in human excrement.
it's weird how you, who can't read the Hebrew, are choosing to trust a particular translation and ignoring the actual words and explanation of the text. When the text doesn't use the name Jesus, you insist it means Jesus...

The Hebrew refers not to Jesus but if you want it to, then it says he was killed by stoning. Does that match up to the story you believe? It says he was stoned and his body hanged before the Passover started. Does that match up to your story? According to the text, " And a crier went out before him for forty days, publicly proclaiming: Jesus the Nazarene is going out to be stoned because he practiced sorcery,"
so the text says that his guilt was established 40 days earlier. Does that match your story?
The text also says "he Sages taught: Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples: Mattai, Nakai, Netzer, Buni, and Toda."

does that match? Or do you just take from the translation what you want and ignore the reset?
 
it's weird how you, who can't read the Hebrew, are choosing to trust a particular translation and ignoring the actual words and explanation of the text. When the text doesn't use the name Jesus, you insist it means Jesus...

The Hebrew refers not to Jesus but if you want it to, then it says he was killed by stoning. Does that match up to the story you believe? It says he was stoned and his body hanged before the Passover started. Does that match up to your story? According to the text, " And a crier went out before him for forty days, publicly proclaiming: Jesus the Nazarene is going out to be stoned because he practiced sorcery,"
so the text says that his guilt was established 40 days earlier. Does that match your story?
The text also says "he Sages taught: Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples: Mattai, Nakai, Netzer, Buni, and Toda."

does that match? Or do you just take from the translation what you want and ignore the reset?
Of course it does not match, because these are the lies of Rabbis, trying to slander Jesus.
 

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