A New Hybrid Jet Fighter for US

[longknife]

A brilliant idea. That will naturally meet stiff resistance from those set to make $$$$ by building more F-35s.

Lockheed Martin has been pitching the US Air Force a hybrid between the F-22 and the F-35.

The F-22 is the world's best air-to-air combat plane, and the F-35 has the best sensors and abilities to knock out air defenses.

Combining the two would create a jet much better than either one individually.

But by creating an all-around better jet could kill the market for the F-35, which has just started to come online and is the most expensive weapons system in history.

So, instead of more billions for s sixth-generation fighter, combine the best of the two fifth-generation birds to make the ultimate machine. It all comes down to putting newer, more powerful computers and technology into the F-22 airframe.

More @ The US military is quietly talking about a new hybrid fighter jet that could kill the F-35

 

[fncceo]

Does that mean it's electric and gas?

 

[night_son]

A brilliant idea. That will naturally meet stiff resistance from those set to make $$$$ by building more F-35s.

Lockheed Martin has been pitching the US Air Force a hybrid between the F-22 and the F-35.

The F-22 is the world's best air-to-air combat plane, and the F-35 has the best sensors and abilities to knock out air defenses.

Combining the two would create a jet much better than either one individually.

But by creating an all-around better jet could kill the market for the F-35, which has just started to come online and is the most expensive weapons system in history.

So, instead of more billions for s sixth-generation fighter, combine the best of the two fifth-generation birds to make the ultimate machine. It all comes down to putting newer, more powerful computers and technology into the F-22 airframe.

More @ The US military is quietly talking about a new hybrid fighter jet that could kill the F-35

Excellent. What we need however, are more close ground support aircraft, capable of longer loiter-orbit times on station to provide precision strikes, and be there whenever we call for them. What I'd like to see as a ground-pounder is, is an aircraft similar to the A-10, which is built around a two gun ground support system. One "gun" would be a small caliber, non-HE round standard capable of very close to friendlies enemy fire suppression from above. The other gun would fire APFDS rounds at extremely high velocity for dealing with bad guys hiding out in structures and light armored vehicles. The whole aircraft would be a magic carpet of small infantry unit ground support goodness.

 

[longknife]

A brilliant idea. That will naturally meet stiff resistance from those set to make $$$$ by building more F-35s.

Lockheed Martin has been pitching the US Air Force a hybrid between the F-22 and the F-35.

The F-22 is the world's best air-to-air combat plane, and the F-35 has the best sensors and abilities to knock out air defenses.

Combining the two would create a jet much better than either one individually.

But by creating an all-around better jet could kill the market for the F-35, which has just started to come online and is the most expensive weapons system in history.

So, instead of more billions for s sixth-generation fighter, combine the best of the two fifth-generation birds to make the ultimate machine. It all comes down to putting newer, more powerful computers and technology into the F-22 airframe.

More @ The US military is quietly talking about a new hybrid fighter jet that could kill the F-35

Excellent. What we need however, are more close ground support aircraft, capable of longer loiter-orbit times on station to provide precision strikes, and be there whenever we call for them. What I'd like to see as a ground-pounder is, is an aircraft similar to the A-10, which is built around a two gun ground support system. One "gun" would be a small caliber, non-HE round standard capable of very close to friendlies enemy fire suppression from above. The other gun would fire APFDS rounds at extremely high velocity for dealing with bad guys hiding out in structures and light armored vehicles. The whole aircraft would be a magic carpet of small infantry unit ground support goodness.

I think your idea is being confirmed by the current experiments on light aircraft to do that. The best ground support aircraft ever was the Skyraider.

 

[Manonthestreet]

As long as it keeps or extends the F-22 speed alt and range capabilities. Talk F-23 might be resurrected and offered to Japan

 

[harmonica]

the best fighter of WW2 was a ''hybrid'' American-British
...fine, we need to produce better aircraft--but not at the expense of other areas such as anti-terror/drones/tech/land warfare/etc

 

[Pilot1]

You have to wonder how long manned aircraft will be around. This may be the last generation.

 

[miketx]

Does that mean it's electric and gas?

No dummy, it means this!

Your are referring to this:

Or perhaps this:

 

[DrainBamage]

A brilliant idea. That will naturally meet stiff resistance from those set to make $$$$ by building more F-35s.

Umm... those making $$$$ by building more F-35s would be the same ones making even more money by building a hybrid jet. Lockheed Martin.

So, instead of more billions for s sixth-generation fighter, combine the best of the two fifth-generation birds to make the ultimate machine. It all comes down to putting newer, more powerful computers and technology into the F-22 airframe

No thanks, F-22 is the best air superiority fighter in the world but it's a 30 year old airframe design and we can do better to stay ahead of countries trying to catch up like China. There are always lessons learned and advances in modeling/fabrication that result in a superior aircraft.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

A brilliant idea. That will naturally meet stiff resistance from those set to make $$$$ by building more F-35s.

Umm... those making $$$$ by building more F-35s would be the same ones making even more money by building a hybrid jet. Lockheed Martin.

So, instead of more billions for s sixth-generation fighter, combine the best of the two fifth-generation birds to make the ultimate machine. It all comes down to putting newer, more powerful computers and technology into the F-22 airframe

No thanks, F-22 is the best air superiority fighter in the world but it's a 30 year old airframe design and we can do better to stay ahead of countries trying to catch up like China. There are always lessons learned and advances in modeling/fabrication that result in a superior aircraft.

Foregone conclusion. The US will not reopen the F-22 line. Will not allow a hybrid F-35/22. Will not purchase any new F-15s even the X. In order to reopen the F-22, it would take then until about 2028 to get it into full production and for what? Another 187 birds? They plan on having a 6th gen fighter by 2030 so why not spend the money and have what you need by waiting 2 years and still be at least 15 years ahead of everyone else. And the 4th gen even the plus version is finding it hard to survive even these days much less 5 years down the road. So they buy more F-35s in the meantime getting the cost down. The current F-35A goes for 90mil. In another 2 years, the cost will be 80mil. That's only 2 mil more than the latest F-18 at 78mi.

This decision might sound not so good in the short run but war procurement is always done in the long run. And in the long game,it's pretty danged smart.

 

[DrainBamage]

Agreed 100%, it's a fools game to throw more money at producing more of previous generation fighters when that money could go into 6th gen and F-35 procurement.

 

[gipper]

When nearly 70% of Americans couldn’t come up with $1000 and half are in or near poverty level, spending billions on a fighter jet doesn’t seem quite right.

 

[Windparadox]

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According to my baby brother who spent years in Afghanistan, nothing beats the A-10 Warthog for close ground support.
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[DrainBamage]

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According to my baby brother who spent years in Afghanistan, nothing beats the A-10 Warthog for close ground support

This might surprise you and seem counter intuitive but often the grunts on the ground are among the least qualified to know what's best for ground support.

 

[DrainBamage]

When nearly 70% of Americans couldn’t come up with $1000 and half are in or near poverty level, spending billions on a fighter jet doesn’t seem quite right.

Currently about 12.3% are at poverty level. Unemployment is at generational lows. Inflation adjusted wages are at historical highs.

The fighter jet helps make that possible.

 

[gipper]

When nearly 70% of Americans couldn’t come up with $1000 and half are in or near poverty level, spending billions on a fighter jet doesn’t seem quite right.

Currently about 12.3% are at poverty level. Unemployment is at generational lows. Inflation adjusted wages are at historical highs.

The fighter jet helps make that possible.

Yes the empire needs it’s toys to continue to enrich and empower the ruling class.

I stand by my prior post, as the unemployment rate has nothing to do with the facts I posted.

 

[K9Buck]

the best fighter of WW2 was a ''hybrid'' American-British
...fine, we need to produce better aircraft--but not at the expense of other areas such as anti-terror/drones/tech/land warfare/etc

It wasn't a hybrid. It was built to be a long-distance, air superiority fighter to escort our bombers.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

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According to my baby brother who spent years in Afghanistan, nothing beats the A-10 Warthog for close ground support.
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Since the Enemy is getting ground to air more and more each day, the old ICUUCMe comes to mind. The A-10 can only operate in zero contested airspace. That only works in Afghanstan these days but not in Iraq or Syria where you may run into a russian made radar or heat seeker ground installation. With Iran getting involved more and more in Afghanistan, look for the Taliban to start receiving air to ground stuff that will completely negate the A-10. The A-10 days are past.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

the best fighter of WW2 was a ''hybrid'' American-British
...fine, we need to produce better aircraft--but not at the expense of other areas such as anti-terror/drones/tech/land warfare/etc

It wasn't a hybrid. It was built to be a long-distance, air superiority fighter to escort our bombers.

It was originally built with the Allison V-12 1710. The problem the Allison had was that they never ironed out the 2 speed 2 stage supercharger for it until 1945. That meant that it was not much better than it's intended P-40 that it was to replace. The P-51A with the Allison and it's 1 speed single stage supercharger was every inch the fighter that the P-51B with the Merlin with it's 2 speed 2 stage supercharger was at 15,000 feet and below but above 15,000 feet, the P-51A's performance fell off drastically. Much of this was the War Department's fault. They decided where the money was to be spent and determined that it was better to spend it on the Radial Superchargers and the P-38 Turbosuperchargers than a brand new supercharger for only one or two aircraft. Actually, this 2 speed 2 stage supercharger was first started developing in 1937 for the P-39 and the P-40 but along came the speed run from the XP-38 and all money was shifted away from it and the development was completely defunded. There were a lot of dead pilots in both the P-39 and the P-40 that gave their lives over that stupid decision.

 

[DrainBamage]

I stand by my prior post, as the unemployment rate has nothing to do with the facts I posted.

It certainly does. USA is prosperous economically but there are always some idiots who don't understand that their military and the protection it affords is part of what makes it that way. You're in here moaning about how hard Americans have it but unemployment rate is one just many measures that indicates how strong the economy is.

You certainly shouldn't be talking about "facts" when you were busted telling a blatant lie about the poverty rate.