A hundred people probably today will lose their lives as a result of a gunshot

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

30,000 gun related deaths is still too many. Why would a society tolerate that carnage and do nothing about it?

The rest of the civilized world looks at us in shock

1. The 30,000 is not relevant to the gun grabber's bitching points. Suicides alone make up more than half.

2. I propose we do something about it. Open carry of full-autos everywhere.

3. The rest of the world can fuck off. They don't have the responsibility of keeping in check a government in control of the most powerful military the world has ever known. Fuck them. We should pull our military support and let them get overrun by power-hungry dictators or commies.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

None of these statistics will matter to the gun grabbers. Their motivation is based purely on emotion.

 

[rightwinger]

30,000 gun related deaths is still too many. Why would a society tolerate that carnage and do nothing about it?

The rest of the civilized world looks at us in shock

Did you not read the break down? Sixty-five% are due to suicides. They will still take their own life if guns are not available.
Change the leadership and police programs in Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and Baltimore!

• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).

Interesting how this perception is so wrong. Gun control is not the answer.

We are continually taking actions to reduce those deaths

Gun deaths? We don't do shit about. We have morons such as yourself who will try to justify them as "not too bad"

Statistically, we should be concerned about drug abuse. Of course we do do shit about control. weapons causing the most carnage are illegal. We can still protect ourselves, family and homes against intruders with guns and hunting is still legal.

I have no problem with individual gun ownership......even handguns with proper controls

Hunting, target shooting, personal protection...all valid reasons

I do not see the value in allowing modified guns with huge magazines capable of shooting 500 rounds per minute

 

[rightwinger]

None of these statistics will matter to the gun grabbers. Their motivation is based purely on emotion.

Yes emotion

Emotion after Columbine, after Tucson, after Virginia Tech, after Sandy Hook, after Charleston, after Pulse nightclub.....now Vegas

We shrug our shoulders, say nothing we can do about it and wait for the next massacre

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Emotion after Columbine, after Tucson, after Virginia Tech, after Sandy Hook, after Charleston, after Pulse nightclub.....now Vegas

Exhibit A on the emotional response.

 

[Darkwind]

Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year.

Do the math. Aristotle! ffs.

I get 0.009%.

Call it 0.01%

What planet does your arithmetic come from?

If you did it right, you'll get 9.25e-05. That is 0.0000925. Round it and you get 0.0001%

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

We shrug our shoulders, say nothing we can do about it and wait for the next massacre

There is something we can do about it.

Let everyone open carry full-auto. Even the most suicidal jackass with think twice. After 6 months, everybody will learn how to be polite and courteous and the issue will be resolved.



The last thing we are going to do about it is do what you fucking commies want to do. Fuck that. We are going the other direction. ZERO restrictions. Repeal all gun laws. You can't be satisfied with the status quo, so fuck you. We're going back to the old motherfucking west.

 

[rightwinger]

Emotion after Columbine, after Tucson, after Virginia Tech, after Sandy Hook, after Charleston, after Pulse nightclub.....now Vegas

Exhibit A on the emotional response.

I remember after Sandy Hook...

Parents with tears in their eyes, asking...Why did my 6 year old have to die? What can you do to stop it from happening again?

We slapped those parents in the face and told them......Too fucking bad. Our guns are more important to us than your children. Losing a few kids here and there is a small price to pay for our unrestricted right to bear arms

 

[ColonelAngus]

I saw this idiot Democrat on TV this morning who said the gun legislation he wants passed would NOT have prevented the LAS VEGAS attack...but we HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!!!

DERP.

I love the gun stats above. Progs misrepresent the stats on purpose to try to achieve their political goals.

Truth is inconvenient to libs. They want to go door to door and forcibly removed everyone's guns so that only the government and criminals will be armed.

 

[whitehall]

Slightly less than automobile deaths per year. The gun related death statistics include justified self defense shootings by civilians and Police Officers. A reasonable solution to firearms related deaths is to try enforcing the laws on the books before considering tossing the Constitution in the trash.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

How many people are shot and not killed?

Why don't suicides count ? Guns make it so much easier. You can't assume you'd have the same death rate if those people didn't happen to have a gun .

Japan has strict gun laws yet very HIGH suicide rates, go figure.

 

[rightwinger]

How many people are shot and not killed?

Why don't suicides count ? Guns make it so much easier. You can't assume you'd have the same death rate if those people didn't happen to have a gun .

Japan has strict gun laws yet very HIGH suicide rates, go figure.

More of a cultural thing to handle disgrace

 

[federalist50]

There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed.

The U.S. population is 324,059,091 as of June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year.

What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

• 65% of those deaths are by suicide, which would never be prevented by gun laws. 13,500 left
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified. 9k
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths. Down to 8100
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – better known as gun violence. 63% are committed by gang violence (5100). You know those black and Latino (mostly illegals) gang violence.

So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 8,100. Still too many?

Now lets look at how those deaths spanned across the nation.
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)



So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.
Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equal, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 8,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault are all done by criminals. It is ludicrous to think that criminals will obey laws. That is why they are called criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).

So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why tIt's pretty simple:

Taking away guns gives control to governments. The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs. So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed."

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia


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Excellent point! I wonder how many people are killed each year in automobile crashes?

 

[rightwinger]

There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed.

The U.S. population is 324,059,091 as of June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year.

What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

• 65% of those deaths are by suicide, which would never be prevented by gun laws. 13,500 left
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified. 9k
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths. Down to 8100
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – better known as gun violence. 63% are committed by gang violence (5100). You know those black and Latino (mostly illegals) gang violence.

So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 8,100. Still too many?

Now lets look at how those deaths spanned across the nation.
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)



So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.
Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equal, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 8,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault are all done by criminals. It is ludicrous to think that criminals will obey laws. That is why they are called criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).

So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why tIt's pretty simple:

Taking away guns gives control to governments. The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs. So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed."

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia


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Excellent point! I wonder how many people are killed each year in automobile crashes?

It is around the same number we lose from guns

Difference is people die in car crashes by accident
People die from guns on purpose

 

[ColonelAngus]

Gun ownership is NOT the problem. Progs want to pass anything to remove 2nd amendment rights from citizens.

Nothing being suggested by he progs would have prevented this attack.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Progs hate those stats.

Truth is the enemy of Progs...they only work off emotion.

 

[rightwinger]

You have no direct correlation

Homicides have gone down since 1990 regardless of strict gun laws or lax gun laws
It is due to the end of the crack wars in the 1990s and has nothing to do with the number of guns on the street

 

[BluesLegend]

Law enforcement are not going to magically teleport to your location and save you from murderers, rapists, and human scum. We need to be able to protect ourselves. Hence the 2nd amendment protects our rights to keep and bare arms.

If you go back to the time the 2nd amendment was written, in most countries it was illegal for common citizens to possess weapons. That gave the ruthless dictators and monarchies free reign to abuse their people and likely was the reason the founders felt the 2nd amendment was so important.

Case in point, we told King George to pound sand up his ass and he attacked us with an army.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Law enforcement are not going to magically teleport to your location and save you from murderers, rapists, and human scum. We need to be able to protect ourselves. Hence the 2nd amendment protects our rights to keep and bare arms.

If you go back to the time the 2nd amendment was written, in most countries it was illegal for common citizens to possess weapons. That gave the ruthless dictators and monarchies free reign to abuse their people and likely was the reason the founders felt the 2nd amendment was so important.

If it were up to Progs, only criminals and the government would have guns.

If you are in a BAD SITUATION.....just call the government and they will show up with THEIR GUNS to save you.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Sorry Hillary, a suppressor would not have helped Stephen Paddock hurt more people in Las Vegas

To put it simply: A suppressor makes little difference in determining the direction of the sound.

Next, the use of the term "silencer" is a signal that the speaker is understandably misinformed about how firearm suppressors work. A typical firearm suppressor will reduce the muzzle report by about 30 decibels.

For reference, a typical AR-15 will have a muzzle report of 167dB. With a suppressor, this goes down to 137dB, still louder than an unsupressed 22 caliber rifle, which develops about 130dB. For comparison, the threshold of pain is generally considered 110dB, or the pleasant sound of an automobile horn firing into your ear. Another example of a sound developing 130dB is that of a fighter jet taking off from an aircraft carrier.

Again, a fighter jet taking off is quieter than the typical suppressed AR-15. It is safe to say that nobody on the deck of an aircraft carrier has ever been taken by surprise by a fighter jet taking off.

In short, even with a suppressor, firearms are still incredibly freaking loud. Yes, weaker ammunition can make a firearm quieter, but to get to a noise level that is not easily detectable would require muzzle energy that bordered on non-lethal beyond several yards. If a firearm is made undetectably quiet, it would likely be less lethal than high-end BB guns available at sporting goods stores.