A hundred people probably today will lose their lives as a result of a gunshot

[barryqwalsh]

And the vast majority of the perpetrators of gun crimes all over this country — a hundred people probably today will lose their lives as a result of a gunshot — those people, typically, do not have mental illness, with the exception of those who have suicide.



How do you protect soft targets like a concert?

 

[Two Thumbs]

6 - 6.5 billion people in the world.

not to make light of people dying, but those are some pretty good odds for not getting killed.

 

[AVISSSER]

And the vast majority of the perpetrators of gun crimes all over this country — a hundred people probably today will lose their lives as a result of a gunshot — those people, typically, do not have mental illness, with the exception of those who have suicide.



How do you protect soft targets like a concert?

Suicide related gun deaths account for the vast majority of gun deaths.

• 33,594: injuries from guns
• 21,386: suicides
• 11,008: homicides
• 275: undetermined or unintentional

Want to drastically reduce gun deaths, invest more in mental health services, not banning guns. If you really want to protect the citizenry, banning guns will not prevent 21,386 deaths per years.

How to Put Gun Death Statistics in Perspective

 

[TNHarley]

Suicides and gang shootings with illegal guns is a big problem in this country. That much is for certain.

 

[P F Tinmore]

BTW, has anybody found out why he did it?

You just don't kill people because you can get a gun.

 

[Geaux4it]

And the vast majority of the perpetrators of gun crimes all over this country — a hundred people probably today will lose their lives as a result of a gunshot — those people, typically, do not have mental illness, with the exception of those who have suicide.



How do you protect soft targets like a concert?

No an issue. Its Acceptable Risk to live in America and call yourself American

-Geaux

 

[pismoe]

And the vast majority of the perpetrators of gun crimes all over this country — a hundred people probably today will lose their lives as a result of a gunshot — those people, typically, do not have mental illness, with the exception of those who have suicide.



How do you protect soft targets like a concert?

No an issue. Its Acceptable Risk to live in America and call yourself American

-Geaux

---------------------------------------------- CORRECT , its the price paid for FREEDOM Barry .

 

[pismoe]

and as comment , suicides don't count for anything , suiciders will kill themselves with pills , ropes , guns or by jumping off buildings . See 'japan' where ' japanese' go to their 'suicide forest' at the base of 'Mt. Fugi' to lay down and die , commit suicide by starvation and thirst .

 

[GHook93]

There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed.

The U.S. population is 324,059,091 as of June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year.

What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

• 65% of those deaths are by suicide, which would never be prevented by gun laws. 13,500 left
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified. 9k
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths. Down to 8100
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – better known as gun violence. 63% are committed by gang violence (5100). You know those black and Latino (mostly illegals) gang violence.

So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 8,100. Still too many?

Now lets look at how those deaths spanned across the nation.
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)

So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.
Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equal, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 8,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault are all done by criminals. It is ludicrous to think that criminals will obey laws. That is why they are called criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).

So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why tIt's pretty simple:

Taking away guns gives control to governments. The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs. So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed."

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia


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[rightwinger]

30,000 gun related deaths is still too many. Why would a society tolerate that carnage and do nothing about it?

The rest of the civilized world looks at us in shock

 

[rightwinger]

But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).

Our society does things to fight drug abuse.....just look at the number of people we have in prison
We take strong measures to fight influenza with flu shots and public safety measures
We have made great strides to make cars and roads safer and reduce drunk driving

Yet, we refuse to do anything about guns

 

[TNHarley]

But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).

Our society does things to fight drug abuse.....just look at the number of people we have in prison
We take strong measures to fight influenza with flu shots and public safety measures
We have made great strides to make cars and roads safer and reduce drunk driving

Yet, we refuse to do anything about guns

yea, our war on drugs really worked didnt it?
Cars arent a Constitutional right.

 

[Timmy]

How many people are shot and not killed?

Why don't suicides count ? Guns make it so much easier. You can't assume you'd have the same death rate if those people didn't happen to have a gun .

 

[rightwinger]

But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).

Our society does things to fight drug abuse.....just look at the number of people we have in prison
We take strong measures to fight influenza with flu shots and public safety measures
We have made great strides to make cars and roads safer and reduce drunk driving

Yet, we refuse to do anything about guns

yea, our war on drugs really worked didnt it?
Cars arent a Constitutional right.

We are continually taking efforts to reduce drug use in this country. There is no NRA for drug addicts
Cars are infinitely safer than they were 100 years ago....guns are not
Having unrestricted access to the weapon of your choice is not a Constitutional right

 

[TNHarley]

But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).

Our society does things to fight drug abuse.....just look at the number of people we have in prison
We take strong measures to fight influenza with flu shots and public safety measures
We have made great strides to make cars and roads safer and reduce drunk driving

Yet, we refuse to do anything about guns

yea, our war on drugs really worked didnt it?
Cars arent a Constitutional right.

We are continually taking efforts to reduce drug use in this country. There is no NRA for drug addicts
Cars are infinitely safer than they were 100 years ago....guns are not
Having unrestricted access to the weapon of your choice is not a Constitutional right

I forgot you regressives like to change the meaning of words. My apologies.

 

[Defiant1]

How many people are shot and not killed?

Why don't suicides count ? Guns make it so much easier. You can't assume you'd have the same death rate if those people didn't happen to have a gun .

What manner of suicide are you ok with?

 

[Jackson]

30,000 gun related deaths is still too many. Why would a society tolerate that carnage and do nothing about it?

The rest of the civilized world looks at us in shock

Did you not read the break down? Sixty-five% are due to suicides. They will still take their own life if guns are not available.
Change the leadership and police programs in Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and Baltimore!

• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).

Interesting how this perception is so wrong. Gun control is not the answer.

 

[rightwinger]

30,000 gun related deaths is still too many. Why would a society tolerate that carnage and do nothing about it?

The rest of the civilized world looks at us in shock

Did you not read the break down? Sixty-five% are due to suicides. They will still take their own life if guns are not available.
Change the leadership and police programs in Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and Baltimore!

• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).

Interesting how this perception is so wrong. Gun control is not the answer.

We are continually taking actions to reduce those deaths

Gun deaths? We don't do shit about. We have morons such as yourself who will try to justify them as "not too bad"

 

[Jackson]

30,000 gun related deaths is still too many. Why would a society tolerate that carnage and do nothing about it?

The rest of the civilized world looks at us in shock

Did you not read the break down? Sixty-five% are due to suicides. They will still take their own life if guns are not available.
Change the leadership and police programs in Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and Baltimore!

• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).

Interesting how this perception is so wrong. Gun control is not the answer.

We are continually taking actions to reduce those deaths

Gun deaths? We don't do shit about. We have morons such as yourself who will try to justify them as "not too bad"

Statistically, we should be concerned about drug abuse. Of course we do do shit about control. weapons causing the most carnage are illegal. We can still protect ourselves, family and homes against intruders with guns and hunting is still legal.

 

[cnm]

Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year.

Do the math. Aristotle! ffs.

I get 0.009%.

Call it 0.01%

What planet does your arithmetic come from?