7 Things to Consider Before Choosing Sides

[docmauser1]

This is about your treatment of the Palestinian's. Treatment that is so bad, you have to go all the way back to Nazi Germany, to find an entire population of people treated worse.

Funny drivel.

 

[rylah]

So tell me what is Jerusalem all about? What is zion? What do terrorists shout before murder? Why there're qoran quotes in Hamas charter and Abbas' speeches? Where was the name Israel taken from?

This is about your treatment of the Palestinian's. Treatment that is so bad, you have to go all the way back to Nazi Germany, to find an entire population of people treated worse.

The pali's are one of the fastest growing populations in the world- why so?

You're the one who wants to annihilate the pali's and the Jews.
Israeli Arabs have the best life they can get in the neighborhood.


Palestinians and other Arabs are exellent at treating them worse than humans. We don't 'treat' them we protect ourselves from their own self-destruction and TERROR backed by incompetent leaders who are themselves well trained TERRORISTS and SS soldiers.

We don't need to justify anything by remembering the Holocaust,
it's enough to check the news...like yesterday and the whole last month,
or just watch THEIR TV.

And this is not about your hammered in false beliefs that were proven wrong numerous times here...

 

[Challenger]

I think the OP expressed it was "balanced" as opposed to "biased" but you are right, the whole article is predicated on false assumptions and if "balanced", tilted more towards the Zionist line than the Palestinian.

The OP claims this is an issue of religion, which should give the reader an idea of its "balance".

True. Although you cannot ignore the effects of religion in this conflict, Zionist Hasbara likes to focus on the religious element in order to deflect from the fact that from the very start, the Zionist objective was colonisation and disposession by force, which would necessitate the extermination or expulsion of the indigenous population in order to ultimately create a state for Jewish people only.

 

[Challenger]

What do terrorists shout before murder?

Sh'ma Yisrael?

 

[Challenger]

The pali's are one of the fastest growing populations in the world- why so?

Because deapite the regular attempts at genocide, by the IDF, there's precious little else they can do when they're confined in "bantustans" unable to work for themselves, with every aspect of their lives controled by Zionist Israel. I've heard it said that Palestinian population growth is a statement that they will not quietly go into the night as a people, they will survive in spite of the Zionists.

 

[Phoenall]

I think the OP expressed it was "balanced" as opposed to "biased" but you are right, the whole article is predicated on false assumptions and if "balanced", tilted more towards the Zionist line than the Palestinian.

The OP claims this is an issue of religion, which should give the reader an idea of its "balance".

Are you saying that the muslims are lying when they state it is a matter of their religious commands having more say than the Jews religious statements

 

[Phoenall]

Being an Israeli,
I didn't completely agree on everything , but had the same
respect for the writer.

It troubles me that you are on an American message board.

Why should we care it troubles you?

I thought one of the basics of American thinking is free speech and freedom of opinion?

Even the founding fathers were concerned when foreign nationals infiltrated the public at large to spread lies and misinformation that was harmful to the body politic.


Do you have any idea what they did to those that were loyal to the crown? Let me say this, you were better off in Canada.

Then I would worry about the Muslim Brotherhood in Your govt. rather than people on internet message boards.

Or is it disinfo?

How's about if I can be concerned about both? You do know that Israel has infiltrated the Muslim Brotherhood, right?

NO and you cant provide any evidence that would result in M.B murders.

 

[Phoenall]

If the Oslo accord is nullified by Abbas...........the election of Palestinian government is no longer valid and hamas control of gaza could mean they get the boot by Israel. Israel can take full control of WB and G and toss the Palestinians and their government out of the country.

No money, no land, no rights, for palestinians. No Jerusalem and no mount for any except Israeli muslims.

Any gains from Oslo for Palestinians, gone

No more talks of state for Palestinians. No negotiation of any kind with Palestinians. No recognition of the term Palestinians except as terrorists and aliens.

this is the path Abbas wants?

Palestinian elections and Palestinian governments, are none of Israel's fucking business!

You don't dictate what others can do on their own property.

WRONG cant you read English yet, The arab muslims under Arafat the boy lover signed an agreement with Israel that brought about the P.A. and elections. If Abu Mazen now says that all such agreements are void then the P.A no longer exists and this also means that Palestine is no longer a member of the UN. It also means that Israel is no longer responsible for any aid going into gaza or for supplying water, gas and electricity.

Actually under current laws you can and you don't have a say in the matter, your rights end when you resort to stupidity and violence. Ask your local police watch commander what he can do to you on your own property

 

[Phoenall]

you clearly have no clue about the ME.

This isn't about me.

True it is about something you don't have a clue about and just spout your Catholic brainwashing like the Jew hater you are.

 

[Phoenall]

So tell me what is Jerusalem all about? What is zion? What do terrorists shout before murder? Why there're qoran quotes in Hamas charter and Abbas' speeches? Where was the name Israel taken from?

This is about your treatment of the Palestinian's. Treatment that is so bad, you have to go all the way back to Nazi Germany, to find an entire population of people treated worse.

The Palestinians are treated like any other violent terrorist group, they are contained and responded to with violence when they attack.
BULLSHIT I don't see any concentration/death camps. Forced marches to death facilities and crematoria. Mass graves of thousands killed every single day. Lamps decorated with human skin, soap made from human fat, wigs made from Palestinian hair. Bones turned into ashtrays and boxes. When you can find evidence of these atrocities then you might be taken as sane and sensible, until then you are seen as nothing more that a Jew hating Nazi

 

[Phoenall]

What do terrorists shout before murder?

Sh'ma Yisrael?

Not heard that shouted in the UK as they cut of a soldiers head, or burn a schoolboy alive. But I do hear allahu ahkbar just about every day when a muslim is doing the same things

 

[Billo_Really]

The pali's are one of the fastest growing populations in the world- why so?

You're the one who wants to annihilate the pali's and the Jews.
Israeli Arabs have the best life they can get in the neighborhood.


Palestinians and other Arabs are exellent at treating them worse than humans. We don't 'treat' them we protect ourselves from their own self-destruction and TERROR backed by incompetent leaders who are themselves well trained TERRORISTS and SS soldiers.

We don't need to justify anything by remembering the Holocaust,
it's enough to check the news...like yesterday and the whole last month,
or just watch THEIR TV.

And this is not about your hammered in false beliefs that were proven wrong numerous times here...

Nothing changes the fact the Pals have been living under a brutal occupation for almost a half century that is the cause of all the violence.

Fact: There are over 500 roadblocks and checkpoints in the West Bank, manned by you fuckers.

Fact: These roadblocks and checkpoints are erected on land that isn't Israel's.

Fact: It is a violation of international law to change the demographics of an area under occupation.

Fact: Israel has transferred a portion of its population to the OPT.

Fact: The ICC has ruled your Iron Curtain illegal.

Fact: The UNHRC-FFM report has ruled your inhuman blockade of Gaza, illegal.

Fact: After almost a half century, there isn't a single country on the planet that recognizes Israel's right to that land.​

The entire free world is against you.

Stop blaming others for the shit you cause!

 

[Phoenall]

The pali's are one of the fastest growing populations in the world- why so?

Because deapite the regular attempts at genocide, by the IDF, there's precious little else they can do when they're confined in "bantustans" unable to work for themselves, with every aspect of their lives controled by Zionist Israel. I've heard it said that Palestinian population growth is a statement that they will not quietly go into the night as a people, they will survive in spite of the Zionists.

What genocide would that be, how about some evidence to support your islamonazi propaganda claims then. All we ever get is LIES and half truths that you say is evidence when the only evidence is the increasing numbers of Palestinians. Genocide is what the muslims did in Armenia, what the muslims did in India, what the muslims did in Yugoslavia, what the muslims are doing in Nigeria, what the muslims are doing in Darfur, what the muslims are doing in Somalia and what the muslims are doing in Syria

 

[Billo_Really]

True. Although you cannot ignore the effects of religion in this conflict, Zionist Hasbara likes to focus on the religious element in order to deflect from the fact that from the very start, the Zionist objective was colonisation and disposession by force, which would necessitate the extermination or expulsion of the indigenous population in order to ultimately create a state for Jewish people only.

And they're losing a lot of young Jews, because of the price of "Milky", of all things.

 

[Phoenall]

The pali's are one of the fastest growing populations in the world- why so?

You're the one who wants to annihilate the pali's and the Jews.
Israeli Arabs have the best life they can get in the neighborhood.


Palestinians and other Arabs are exellent at treating them worse than humans. We don't 'treat' them we protect ourselves from their own self-destruction and TERROR backed by incompetent leaders who are themselves well trained TERRORISTS and SS soldiers.

We don't need to justify anything by remembering the Holocaust,
it's enough to check the news...like yesterday and the whole last month,
or just watch THEIR TV.

And this is not about your hammered in false beliefs that were proven wrong numerous times here...

Nothing changes the fact the Pals have been living under a brutal occupation for almost a half century that is the cause of all the violence.

Fact: There are over 500 roadblocks and checkpoints in the West Bank, manned by you fuckers.

Fact: These roadblocks and checkpoints are erected on land that isn't Israel's.

Fact: It is a violation of international law to change the demographics of an area under occupation.

Fact: Israel has transferred a portion of its population to the OPT.

Fact: The ICC has ruled your Iron Curtain illegal.

Fact: The UNHRC-FFM report has ruled your inhuman blockade of Gaza, illegal.

Fact: After almost a half century, there isn't a single country on the planet that recognizes Israel's right to that land.​

The entire free world is against you.

Stop blaming others for the shit you cause!

Allowed under International law for security

Occupied by Israel as a defensive matter

LINK showing that they are

WRONG they returned to their property under international treaty signed by the Palestinian representative

LINK as defence can never be deemed illegal

So what they are Jew hating Nazis like you

Has Israel claimed the land is theirs, or is that just what you have been told.


WRONG as it is only the brainwashed Jew hating Nazis like yourself, and you don't count

 

[Phoenall]

True. Although you cannot ignore the effects of religion in this conflict, Zionist Hasbara likes to focus on the religious element in order to deflect from the fact that from the very start, the Zionist objective was colonisation and disposession by force, which would necessitate the extermination or expulsion of the indigenous population in order to ultimately create a state for Jewish people only.

And they're losing a lot of young Jews, because of the price of "Milky", of all things.

According to white supremacists, left wing morons, islamonazi propagandists and Jew hating Nazis. In reality the population of Israel IS INCREASING AT A RATE OF 2%

 

[Phoenall]

I think the OP expressed it was "balanced" as opposed to "biased" but you are right, the whole article is predicated on false assumptions and if "balanced", tilted more towards the Zionist line than the Palestinian.

The OP claims this is an issue of religion, which should give the reader an idea of its "balance".

True. Although you cannot ignore the effects of religion in this conflict, Zionist Hasbara likes to focus on the religious element in order to deflect from the fact that from the very start, the Zionist objective was colonisation and disposession by force, which would necessitate the extermination or expulsion of the indigenous population in order to ultimately create a state for Jewish people only.

You can tell when rat boy here is losing the argument he starts screeching Zionist this and Zionist that, and most often Zionist hasbara as if anyone outside of team Palestine believes him. When you start pointing this out he ignore you because he knows he is wrong and will only show himself up more.

 

[RoccoR]

Challenger, et al,

Agreed. But then, in almost every conflict involving Muslims and Jewish, religion becomes an element. It does not mean that the focus of the conflict was along religious lines.

True. Although you cannot ignore the effects of religion in this conflict, Zionist Hasbara likes to focus on the religious element in order to deflect from the fact that from the very start, the Zionist objective was colonisation and disposession by force, which would necessitate the extermination or expulsion of the indigenous population in order to ultimately create a state for Jewish people only.

(COMMENT)

In 1919 The Faisal-Weizmann Agreement made a few of the early intents a matter of record:

• [T]he surest means of working out the consummation of their national aspirations, is through the closest possible, collaboration in the development of the Arab State and Palestine,

• The Arab State and Palestine in all their relations and undertakings shall be controlled by the most cordial goodwill and understanding and to this end Arab and Jewish duly accredited agents shall be established and maintained in their respective territories.

• Immediately following the completion of the deliberations of the Peace Conference, the definite boundaries between the Arab State and Palestine shall be determined by a Commission to be agreed upon by the parties hereto.
​

The record and the very first Arab-Jewish Agreement, of the long line of agreements that were to followed, made it plain that NEITHER --- His Royal Highness the Amir FAISAL (representing and acting on behalf of the Arab Kingdom of HEJAZ), and Dr. CHAIM WEIZMANN (representing and acting on behalf of the Zionist Organisation), had any intention to take anything by force. FAISAL and WEIZANN agreed that these essential concepts were important enough to set down in writing:

• All necessary measures shall be taken to encourage and stimulate immigration of Jews into Palestine on a large scale, and as quickly as possible to settle Jewish immigrants upon the land through closer settlement and intensive cultivation of the soil. In taking such measures the Arab peasant and tenant farmers shall be protected in their rights, and shall be assisted in forwarding their economic development.
​

And these concepts were set down in writing and given such consideration, by the Allied Powers at 1920 San Remo Conference, that they were amplified and included in the Mandate for Palestine. (See Articles 2, 4, and 6) If there was some "colonization agenda," THEN it was not just the Zionist involved --- but with the knowledge and active participation by the Arab Community and agreed to by the Allied Powers to which Turkey renounced all territorial rights and title; and with the understanding that "the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned" (the appropriate Allied Powers). (See Article 16 of the Treaty of Peace with Turkey Signed at Lausanne, 24 July, 1923; See Part III --- Sections VII Articles 94 thru 97 and Article 132, Treaty of Peace between the Allied Powers and Turkey Signed at Sevres 10 August 1920; and again See Article 16, The Armistice of Mudros, 30 October, 1918)

Even before the Treaty of Lausanne went into force, the first of the significant clashes called the "Bloody Passover" riot of March 1920 occurred (prompting the creation of the first version of the Haganah in June), and then the1929 Riots violence at the Wailing Wall had occurred, organized the a former enemy Ottoman Army Officer turn Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem; and the Palestinian Black Hand was founded.

It is hypothesized that Haj Amin al-Husseini was a prime mover and personality involved in the organization of the 1920 Riots, which he politically benefited from in his 1921 rise to Mufti of Jerusalem. And again, Haj Amin al-Husseini was a principle instigator behind the 1929 riots. While there are nearly always overtones in any Islamic clash, behind it all was the power, wealth, and prominent influence that came with the leadership that was behind the anti-Jewish movement.

Any time you talk about immigration and settlements --- and argument can be made using the simplistic understand of "colonisation and disposession." And in the same vein, it was nothing that the senior Arab Leadership in the immediate post-War years, did not understand and appreciate.

It is rare to find a pro-Palestinian that does not blame all the regional ills on the Israelis. Similarly, most Israelis see the Palestinians as the dominant influence in the Regional history of 1920 to the present in rioting, murder, hijacking, piracy, bombing and general assaults on Israeli citizens. Both positions take the extreme, and both have elements of truth and disinformation in them. But at the end of the day, both side are now at the line of an unproductive line or pursuit. The region is no closer to peace today, then it was in 1920. and it is not likely to change if the leadership does not open a dialog.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[rylah]

What do terrorists shout before murder?

Sh'ma Yisrael?

Funny 'cause when a Jew says so he has to whisper it to himself and cover his eyes.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Challenger, et al,

Agreed. But then, in almost every conflict involving Muslims and Jewish, religion becomes an element. It does not mean that the focus of the conflict was along religious lines.

True. Although you cannot ignore the effects of religion in this conflict, Zionist Hasbara likes to focus on the religious element in order to deflect from the fact that from the very start, the Zionist objective was colonisation and disposession by force, which would necessitate the extermination or expulsion of the indigenous population in order to ultimately create a state for Jewish people only.

(COMMENT)

In 1919 The Faisal-Weizmann Agreement made a few of the early intents a matter of record:

• [T]he surest means of working out the consummation of their national aspirations, is through the closest possible, collaboration in the development of the Arab State and Palestine,

• The Arab State and Palestine in all their relations and undertakings shall be controlled by the most cordial goodwill and understanding and to this end Arab and Jewish duly accredited agents shall be established and maintained in their respective territories.

• Immediately following the completion of the deliberations of the Peace Conference, the definite boundaries between the Arab State and Palestine shall be determined by a Commission to be agreed upon by the parties hereto.
​

The record and the very first Arab-Jewish Agreement, of the long line of agreements that were to followed, made it plain that NEITHER --- His Royal Highness the Amir FAISAL (representing and acting on behalf of the Arab Kingdom of HEJAZ), and Dr. CHAIM WEIZMANN (representing and acting on behalf of the Zionist Organisation), had any intention to take anything by force. FAISAL and WEIZANN agreed that these essential concepts were important enough to set down in writing:

• All necessary measures shall be taken to encourage and stimulate immigration of Jews into Palestine on a large scale, and as quickly as possible to settle Jewish immigrants upon the land through closer settlement and intensive cultivation of the soil. In taking such measures the Arab peasant and tenant farmers shall be protected in their rights, and shall be assisted in forwarding their economic development.
​

And these concepts were set down in writing and given such consideration, by the Allied Powers at 1920 San Remo Conference, that they were amplified and included in the Mandate for Palestine. (See Articles 2, 4, and 6) If there was some "colonization agenda," THEN it was not just the Zionist involved --- but with the knowledge and active participation by the Arab Community and agreed to by the Allied Powers to which Turkey renounced all territorial rights and title; and with the understanding that "the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned" (the appropriate Allied Powers). (See Article 16 of the Treaty of Peace with Turkey Signed at Lausanne, 24 July, 1923; See Part III --- Sections VII Articles 94 thru 97 and Article 132, Treaty of Peace between the Allied Powers and Turkey Signed at Sevres 10 August 1920; and again See Article 16, The Armistice of Mudros, 30 October, 1918)

Even before the Treaty of Lausanne went into force, the first of the significant clashes called the "Bloody Passover" riot of March 1920 occurred (prompting the creation of the first version of the Haganah in June), and then the1929 Riots violence at the Wailing Wall had occurred, organized the a former enemy Ottoman Army Officer turn Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem; and the Palestinian Black Hand was founded.

It is hypothesized that Haj Amin al-Husseini was a prime mover and personality involved in the organization of the 1920 Riots, which he politically benefited from in his 1921 rise to Mufti of Jerusalem. And again, Haj Amin al-Husseini was a principle instigator behind the 1929 riots. While there are nearly always overtones in any Islamic clash, behind it all was the power, wealth, and prominent influence that came with the leadership that was behind the anti-Jewish movement.

Any time you talk about immigration and settlements --- and argument can be made using the simplistic understand of "colonisation and disposession." And in the same vein, it was nothing that the senior Arab Leadership in the immediate post-War years, did not understand and appreciate.

It is rare to find a pro-Palestinian that does not blame all the regional ills on the Israelis. Similarly, most Israelis see the Palestinians as the dominant influence in the Regional history of 1920 to the present in rioting, murder, hijacking, piracy, bombing and general assaults on Israeli citizens. Both positions take the extreme, and both have elements of truth and disinformation in them. But at the end of the day, both side are now at the line of an unproductive line or pursuit. The region is no closer to peace today, then it was in 1920. and it is not likely to change if the leadership does not open a dialog.

Most Respectfully,
R

Was either Faisal or Weizmann Palestinian?