30 Cities with highest murder rates

[2aguy]

If Tough Anti-Drug Laws Are 'Racist,' Blame Black Leaders | RealClearPolitics



"When President Ronald Reagan signed the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986 into law -- the law that punished crack cocaine dealers far more harshly than powder cocaine dealers -- Harlem's Rep. Charlie Rangel stood right behind Reagan. Crack dealers, many of whom were black, got harsher sentences than those who dealt powder cocaine, many of whom were white. And Congressional Black Caucus members pushed Reagan to create the Office of National Drug Control Policy.

Then came the massive 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, which included longer sentences for first-time offenders. An influential group of black pastors wrote to the Congressional Black Caucus, "While we do not agree with every provision in the crime bill, we do believe and emphatically support the bill's goal to save our communities, and most importantly, our children."


The black mayor of Baltimore, Kurt Schmoke, said: "I believe the crime bill ... is part of the answer, and the crime bill should be supported by us. We do need to send a signal throughout our communities that certain types of activities will not be tolerated, that people will be held accountable and that if there is evil manifested by actions taken by individuals who choose to prey upon our residents that that evil will be responded to quickly and correctly." The majority of the Congressional Black Caucus supported Congress' final bill. President Bill Clinton signed it. Hillary Clinton defended the crime bill a couple years later, saying that these laws were necessary to combat "superpredators" "

Whether you'll fight back your stubbornness enough to admit it or not, that still proves my point that the law was written to target Blacks. If an act is wrong and evil it is still wrong and evil no matter who does it. It's no different than the rival African tribes who sold the Black men from the tribes they conquered to whites to ship to North America for slavery. Just because they were also Black doesn't make it okay.

It is not evil to target one group of drug dealers who's product seems to be causing extra harm.


You really look at drug dealers pushing poison into communities and you focus on skin color more than their deadly actions?

It doesn't target JUST drug dealers. It targets ALL people including addicts who just have crack pipes with residue in them.

Yeah I don't know this shit.

Get out. You laughed at my post to Westwall, feel free to look up any of it. War on drugs? Started under Nixon. War on Black leaders and Black communities by J.Edgar Hoover? There is all kinds of information out there about it, but feel free to look up COINTELPRO and MLK and how they sent him a threatening letter they were going to tell his wife and the world he was an adulterer and he should just kill himself and save himself the embarrassment.

Broken Windows Policing: Broken Windows Policing | Center for Evidence-Based Crime Policy

Hot Spot Policing: Hot Spots Policing | Center for Evidence-Based Crime Policy

No, I don't know this shit, I just throw out random terms that just happen to be real.

Oh, and since it didn't get answered, WHITE teens use and sell marijuana and prescription drugs much more often than Black teens. The reason they don't get caught and arrested, or spend as much time if any time in jail is because... they most often come from families that have money and live in the suburbs. It is harder for the police to catch and arrest them because the transactions are taking place inside not on the street, which means they have to somehow get enough evidence to persuade a judge to give them a warrant to do a raid... which doesn't happen that often and often isn't worth it. It isn't worth it because the white teenager's parent have enough money to bail them out and get a good lawyer, that is able to either plea bargain to a much much lesser charge that not only doesn't involve jail time, but can easily be expunged from their record. This is a VERY start contrast to the Black teenagers who deal and buy on the street or empty trap houses that do not require a warrant, they can't afford bail, and they are stuck with a public defender... and are more than willing to a plea to a felony with time served to just get released not realizing that having the felony on their record means that the next time they are arrested they are going to be serving an even worse sentence under the mandatory minimum system because of their previous plea bargain.

1. Lot of actions taken back then to combat the problem. Some more precise than others. The motive was still to SAVE BLACK LIVES, not racism.


2. Nixon was President when crime was spiking and riots were burning down neighborhoods. Coming out hard on crime was completely reasonable.

3. Hoover?


4. Broken windows policing seemed to have a good effect in NYC.

5. ALL those things you said about white teens? One underlying theme. None of that is racism.

The actions Black leaders wanted were the drug dealers cleaned up out of their neighborhood. What happened was they let the fox in the hen house. "No Knock" laws that were written to do raids on drug houses suddenly used and abused for all kinds of things, all in "good faith for what was best for the neighborhood." In the end, what it has done is create mass incarceration where recidivism is common and time in prison is passed down from generation to generation. One of the other courses I am taking this semester has to do with music and social change and one of the songs we talked about is considered by some as the first "rap song" and talks about the abuse of 'no knock' laws.



Nixon's actions were not about burning down neighborhoods. They were about people making him look bad. He wasn't cracking down on crime, he created a war on drugs.

Yes, J. Edgar Hoover was the head of the FBI up until 1972. He was head of the FBI from 1924 until 1972. Want to know how controlling Hoover was? He wouldn't hire a bald or balding man to work in the FBI, and if a man already in the FBI started to bald he would take them out of the field and give them a desk job.

Yes, the part about white teens is racism, because the skewed crime statistics are used by racist to try and make things even harder on the lives of Blacks. Just look in this thread.

Hmmmm....you just posted all of that....and can sit there with and tell us the Government will never try to confiscate guns if we register them....

This is why we think you are a fool.

 

[Lewdog]

Whether you'll fight back your stubbornness enough to admit it or not, that still proves my point that the law was written to target Blacks. If an act is wrong and evil it is still wrong and evil no matter who does it. It's no different than the rival African tribes who sold the Black men from the tribes they conquered to whites to ship to North America for slavery. Just because they were also Black doesn't make it okay.

It is not evil to target one group of drug dealers who's product seems to be causing extra harm.


You really look at drug dealers pushing poison into communities and you focus on skin color more than their deadly actions?

It doesn't target JUST drug dealers. It targets ALL people including addicts who just have crack pipes with residue in them.

Yeah I don't know this shit.

Get out. You laughed at my post to Westwall, feel free to look up any of it. War on drugs? Started under Nixon. War on Black leaders and Black communities by J.Edgar Hoover? There is all kinds of information out there about it, but feel free to look up COINTELPRO and MLK and how they sent him a threatening letter they were going to tell his wife and the world he was an adulterer and he should just kill himself and save himself the embarrassment.

Broken Windows Policing: Broken Windows Policing | Center for Evidence-Based Crime Policy

Hot Spot Policing: Hot Spots Policing | Center for Evidence-Based Crime Policy

No, I don't know this shit, I just throw out random terms that just happen to be real.

Oh, and since it didn't get answered, WHITE teens use and sell marijuana and prescription drugs much more often than Black teens. The reason they don't get caught and arrested, or spend as much time if any time in jail is because... they most often come from families that have money and live in the suburbs. It is harder for the police to catch and arrest them because the transactions are taking place inside not on the street, which means they have to somehow get enough evidence to persuade a judge to give them a warrant to do a raid... which doesn't happen that often and often isn't worth it. It isn't worth it because the white teenager's parent have enough money to bail them out and get a good lawyer, that is able to either plea bargain to a much much lesser charge that not only doesn't involve jail time, but can easily be expunged from their record. This is a VERY start contrast to the Black teenagers who deal and buy on the street or empty trap houses that do not require a warrant, they can't afford bail, and they are stuck with a public defender... and are more than willing to a plea to a felony with time served to just get released not realizing that having the felony on their record means that the next time they are arrested they are going to be serving an even worse sentence under the mandatory minimum system because of their previous plea bargain.

1. Lot of actions taken back then to combat the problem. Some more precise than others. The motive was still to SAVE BLACK LIVES, not racism.


2. Nixon was President when crime was spiking and riots were burning down neighborhoods. Coming out hard on crime was completely reasonable.

3. Hoover?


4. Broken windows policing seemed to have a good effect in NYC.

5. ALL those things you said about white teens? One underlying theme. None of that is racism.

The actions Black leaders wanted were the drug dealers cleaned up out of their neighborhood. What happened was they let the fox in the hen house. "No Knock" laws that were written to do raids on drug houses suddenly used and abused for all kinds of things, all in "good faith for what was best for the neighborhood." In the end, what it has done is create mass incarceration where recidivism is common and time in prison is passed down from generation to generation. One of the other courses I am taking this semester has to do with music and social change and one of the songs we talked about is considered by some as the first "rap song" and talks about the abuse of 'no knock' laws.



Nixon's actions were not about burning down neighborhoods. They were about people making him look bad. He wasn't cracking down on crime, he created a war on drugs.

Yes, J. Edgar Hoover was the head of the FBI up until 1972. He was head of the FBI from 1924 until 1972. Want to know how controlling Hoover was? He wouldn't hire a bald or balding man to work in the FBI, and if a man already in the FBI started to bald he would take them out of the field and give them a desk job.

Yes, the part about white teens is racism, because the skewed crime statistics are used by racist to try and make things even harder on the lives of Blacks. Just look in this thread.

Hmmmm....you just posted all of that....and can sit there with and tell us the Government will never try to confiscate guns if we register them....

This is why we think you are a fool.

The only fool is the one that brings up guns in every single thread. Not once did I mention anything about guns here. Not once have I EVER mentioned anything about confiscating everyone's guns, and have said the opposite. Do I have to cut and paste it 2,000 times for you to understand it? Seems like the only thing you understand is cut and pasted posts.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Ok,
So the OP just proved that cities with lots of Democrat voters are the most violent.

Wow, really?. Show of hands if you're shocked

 

[karpenter]

Are you advocating the Hitler solution?

They Were Brought Over Screaming And In Chains
They Can Be Taken Back The Same Way

 

[Wyatt earp]

One headline sets off a shit storm of denial and deflections, and the obvious questions are never asked or even considered:

How many homicides were committed by the use of a firearm?

How many guns used were stolen?

How many of the killers bought a gun legally, and their record suggests they ought not to own or possess a gun?

Of course the single presumption made was, it had to be a black guy.

Wry, take a look at the last 5 mass shooters. ALL of them were known, they all had committed crimes and ALL of them were let loose to go kill.

And all of them got a gun. Explain that, or do you agree with Trump and the NRA that no solution exists, so let's keep doing what we've been doing and pray for the dead and their family, friends and colleagues.

A solution exists but your terrified of him.


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what about allah and muhammad?--Indonesia murder rate 5 times lower than Christian USA
.......Honduras, Venezuela and El Salvador all catholic countries but have some of the highest murder rates
Countries ranked by Intentional homicides (per 100,000 people)

Uhm so you are comparing a melting pot of 300 million people with some dot head country? Tell us how many germans, Irish, Pollack's, blacks, illegal Mexicans they have?


.

 

[WelfareQueen]

And the OP is mysteriously silent after only 5 posters show Murder rate is more about black than red.

I'm silent when I have nothing of substance of offer - unlike most of you on the right.

Blacks comprise 12.5% of the US population yet according to the FBI commit over 50% of all violent crime in America. Facts are scary to Dims.

 

[Correll]

If Tough Anti-Drug Laws Are 'Racist,' Blame Black Leaders | RealClearPolitics



"When President Ronald Reagan signed the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986 into law -- the law that punished crack cocaine dealers far more harshly than powder cocaine dealers -- Harlem's Rep. Charlie Rangel stood right behind Reagan. Crack dealers, many of whom were black, got harsher sentences than those who dealt powder cocaine, many of whom were white. And Congressional Black Caucus members pushed Reagan to create the Office of National Drug Control Policy.

Then came the massive 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, which included longer sentences for first-time offenders. An influential group of black pastors wrote to the Congressional Black Caucus, "While we do not agree with every provision in the crime bill, we do believe and emphatically support the bill's goal to save our communities, and most importantly, our children."


The black mayor of Baltimore, Kurt Schmoke, said: "I believe the crime bill ... is part of the answer, and the crime bill should be supported by us. We do need to send a signal throughout our communities that certain types of activities will not be tolerated, that people will be held accountable and that if there is evil manifested by actions taken by individuals who choose to prey upon our residents that that evil will be responded to quickly and correctly." The majority of the Congressional Black Caucus supported Congress' final bill. President Bill Clinton signed it. Hillary Clinton defended the crime bill a couple years later, saying that these laws were necessary to combat "superpredators" "

Whether you'll fight back your stubbornness enough to admit it or not, that still proves my point that the law was written to target Blacks. If an act is wrong and evil it is still wrong and evil no matter who does it. It's no different than the rival African tribes who sold the Black men from the tribes they conquered to whites to ship to North America for slavery. Just because they were also Black doesn't make it okay.

It is not evil to target one group of drug dealers who's product seems to be causing extra harm.


You really look at drug dealers pushing poison into communities and you focus on skin color more than their deadly actions?

It doesn't target JUST drug dealers. It targets ALL people including addicts who just have crack pipes with residue in them.

Yeah I don't know this shit.

Get out. You laughed at my post to Westwall, feel free to look up any of it. War on drugs? Started under Nixon. War on Black leaders and Black communities by J.Edgar Hoover? There is all kinds of information out there about it, but feel free to look up COINTELPRO and MLK and how they sent him a threatening letter they were going to tell his wife and the world he was an adulterer and he should just kill himself and save himself the embarrassment.

Broken Windows Policing: Broken Windows Policing | Center for Evidence-Based Crime Policy

Hot Spot Policing: Hot Spots Policing | Center for Evidence-Based Crime Policy

No, I don't know this shit, I just throw out random terms that just happen to be real.

Oh, and since it didn't get answered, WHITE teens use and sell marijuana and prescription drugs much more often than Black teens. The reason they don't get caught and arrested, or spend as much time if any time in jail is because... they most often come from families that have money and live in the suburbs. It is harder for the police to catch and arrest them because the transactions are taking place inside not on the street, which means they have to somehow get enough evidence to persuade a judge to give them a warrant to do a raid... which doesn't happen that often and often isn't worth it. It isn't worth it because the white teenager's parent have enough money to bail them out and get a good lawyer, that is able to either plea bargain to a much much lesser charge that not only doesn't involve jail time, but can easily be expunged from their record. This is a VERY start contrast to the Black teenagers who deal and buy on the street or empty trap houses that do not require a warrant, they can't afford bail, and they are stuck with a public defender... and are more than willing to a plea to a felony with time served to just get released not realizing that having the felony on their record means that the next time they are arrested they are going to be serving an even worse sentence under the mandatory minimum system because of their previous plea bargain.

1. Lot of actions taken back then to combat the problem. Some more precise than others. The motive was still to SAVE BLACK LIVES, not racism.


2. Nixon was President when crime was spiking and riots were burning down neighborhoods. Coming out hard on crime was completely reasonable.

3. Hoover?


4. Broken windows policing seemed to have a good effect in NYC.

5. ALL those things you said about white teens? One underlying theme. None of that is racism.

The actions Black leaders wanted were the drug dealers cleaned up out of their neighborhood. What happened was they let the fox in the hen house. "No Knock" laws that were written to do raids on drug houses suddenly used and abused for all kinds of things, all in "good faith for what was best for the neighborhood." In the end, what it has done is create mass incarceration where recidivism is common and time in prison is passed down from generation to generation. One of the other courses I am taking this semester has to do with music and social change and one of the songs we talked about is considered by some as the first "rap song" and talks about the abuse of 'no knock' laws.



Nixon's actions were not about burning down neighborhoods. They were about people making him look bad. He wasn't cracking down on crime, he created a war on drugs.

Yes, J. Edgar Hoover was the head of the FBI up until 1972. He was head of the FBI from 1924 until 1972. Want to know how controlling Hoover was? He wouldn't hire a bald or balding man to work in the FBI, and if a man already in the FBI started to bald he would take them out of the field and give them a desk job.

Yes, the part about white teens is racism, because the skewed crime statistics are used by racist to try and make things even harder on the lives of Blacks. Just look in this thread.

1. So, to be clear you are dropping your point about the motivation of the policies to be racism, and moving on to whether they worked as intended, correct?

2. So, to be clear, you are dropping your point about Nixon's law and order policies being racism, and now moving on to them being about fighting back against people that made him look bad, correct?


3. So, to be clear, you are dropping your point about Hoover somehow being part of some widespread racist movement and just being a problem individual in general, correct?

4. To make things even harder on the lives of Blacks? How so?

 

[2aguy]

It is not evil to target one group of drug dealers who's product seems to be causing extra harm.


You really look at drug dealers pushing poison into communities and you focus on skin color more than their deadly actions?

It doesn't target JUST drug dealers. It targets ALL people including addicts who just have crack pipes with residue in them.

Yeah I don't know this shit.

Get out. You laughed at my post to Westwall, feel free to look up any of it. War on drugs? Started under Nixon. War on Black leaders and Black communities by J.Edgar Hoover? There is all kinds of information out there about it, but feel free to look up COINTELPRO and MLK and how they sent him a threatening letter they were going to tell his wife and the world he was an adulterer and he should just kill himself and save himself the embarrassment.

Broken Windows Policing: Broken Windows Policing | Center for Evidence-Based Crime Policy

Hot Spot Policing: Hot Spots Policing | Center for Evidence-Based Crime Policy

No, I don't know this shit, I just throw out random terms that just happen to be real.

Oh, and since it didn't get answered, WHITE teens use and sell marijuana and prescription drugs much more often than Black teens. The reason they don't get caught and arrested, or spend as much time if any time in jail is because... they most often come from families that have money and live in the suburbs. It is harder for the police to catch and arrest them because the transactions are taking place inside not on the street, which means they have to somehow get enough evidence to persuade a judge to give them a warrant to do a raid... which doesn't happen that often and often isn't worth it. It isn't worth it because the white teenager's parent have enough money to bail them out and get a good lawyer, that is able to either plea bargain to a much much lesser charge that not only doesn't involve jail time, but can easily be expunged from their record. This is a VERY start contrast to the Black teenagers who deal and buy on the street or empty trap houses that do not require a warrant, they can't afford bail, and they are stuck with a public defender... and are more than willing to a plea to a felony with time served to just get released not realizing that having the felony on their record means that the next time they are arrested they are going to be serving an even worse sentence under the mandatory minimum system because of their previous plea bargain.

1. Lot of actions taken back then to combat the problem. Some more precise than others. The motive was still to SAVE BLACK LIVES, not racism.


2. Nixon was President when crime was spiking and riots were burning down neighborhoods. Coming out hard on crime was completely reasonable.

3. Hoover?


4. Broken windows policing seemed to have a good effect in NYC.

5. ALL those things you said about white teens? One underlying theme. None of that is racism.

The actions Black leaders wanted were the drug dealers cleaned up out of their neighborhood. What happened was they let the fox in the hen house. "No Knock" laws that were written to do raids on drug houses suddenly used and abused for all kinds of things, all in "good faith for what was best for the neighborhood." In the end, what it has done is create mass incarceration where recidivism is common and time in prison is passed down from generation to generation. One of the other courses I am taking this semester has to do with music and social change and one of the songs we talked about is considered by some as the first "rap song" and talks about the abuse of 'no knock' laws.



Nixon's actions were not about burning down neighborhoods. They were about people making him look bad. He wasn't cracking down on crime, he created a war on drugs.

Yes, J. Edgar Hoover was the head of the FBI up until 1972. He was head of the FBI from 1924 until 1972. Want to know how controlling Hoover was? He wouldn't hire a bald or balding man to work in the FBI, and if a man already in the FBI started to bald he would take them out of the field and give them a desk job.

Yes, the part about white teens is racism, because the skewed crime statistics are used by racist to try and make things even harder on the lives of Blacks. Just look in this thread.

Hmmmm....you just posted all of that....and can sit there with and tell us the Government will never try to confiscate guns if we register them....

This is why we think you are a fool.

The only fool is the one that brings up guns in every single thread. Not once did I mention anything about guns here. Not once have I EVER mentioned anything about confiscating everyone's guns, and have said the opposite. Do I have to cut and paste it 2,000 times for you to understand it? Seems like the only thing you understand is cut and pasted posts.

Too bad.....you support a political party that is going to confiscate guns when they have the power to do it.....and when you say you want to ban "military" style guns...you essentially give up the game.

 

[Papageorgio]

If it's racist to tell the truth that black murder rates are extremely disproportionate to their percentage of the population then I guess I'll have to accept that label.

But it seems to me, if you're not allowed to admit there's a problem, there is no way in hell you're ever going to solve it.

You are not the slightest bit interested in "solving it". The Right is well aware that ghetto crime is black on black. It does not affect you at all. It just gives you an opportunity to validate your racist mindset. You guys have tried to do the same about Latinos, and Muslims in America, but that has not been successful for you. Even victims of the natural disaster in the Bahamas have been labeled by you guys. It comes down to, "everybody is a worthless criminal expect people like me".

So how do you solve it? Gun control? If that is the answer, then what type of gun control? If not gun control, what other ways can you solve it?

 

[Papageorgio]

If it's racist to tell the truth that black murder rates are extremely disproportionate to their percentage of the population then I guess I'll have to accept that label.

But it seems to me, if you're not allowed to admit there's a problem, there is no way in hell you're ever going to solve it.

The issue is not the color of the killer, but what other factors are in play.

It's too simple to blame someone for the color of their skin, when poverty, discrimination, education, parenting, culture, opportunity and racism all factor into the life story of all murderers.

Yet, you basically tried to make the thread about murder being in red or blue states. Now, after getting your ass handed to you, you want to bring in a there factors. Seems disingenuous.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Not surprisingly the top ten murder cities still include the usual suspects like Detroit, New Orleans, Baltimore. Surprisingly Chicago doesn't make the list probably because everyone moved away or the census takers were murdered before they could take an accurate count of the citizens.

very pro-gun St Louis has double the murder rate of Chicago
St Louis has been named the most dangerous city at times--Chi not even in the top 10

It's not Saint louis you goof ball...


Its EAST SAINT LOUIS that was continually the murder capital, located across the Mississippi in Illinois.


.

 

[Vandalshandle]

If it's racist to tell the truth that black murder rates are extremely disproportionate to their percentage of the population then I guess I'll have to accept that label.

But it seems to me, if you're not allowed to admit there's a problem, there is no way in hell you're ever going to solve it.

You are not the slightest bit interested in "solving it". The Right is well aware that ghetto crime is black on black. It does not affect you at all. It just gives you an opportunity to validate your racist mindset. You guys have tried to do the same about Latinos, and Muslims in America, but that has not been successful for you. Even victims of the natural disaster in the Bahamas have been labeled by you guys. It comes down to, "everybody is a worthless criminal expect people like me".

So how do you solve it? Gun control? If that is the answer, then what type of gun control? If not gun control, what other ways can you solve it?

Gang violence is not a political phenomena. Your basic 17 year old drug dealer who was shot down in a drive-by did not vote the democratic ticket. He did not vote at all. Neither do democratic voters call for gun control to keep that 17 year old from stealing a gun. Gun control can stop an estranged husband from killing his wife, but not stop a drug dealer from killing another drug dealer. The war on drugs did not work, either. We lost that war. The problem is deep rooted poverty, education, and drugs. Nobody knows how to stop it. But gang violence is NOT going to be stopped by a republican waving his magic wand,

 

[harmonica]

Not surprisingly the top ten murder cities still include the usual suspects like Detroit, New Orleans, Baltimore. Surprisingly Chicago doesn't make the list probably because everyone moved away or the census takers were murdered before they could take an accurate count of the citizens.

very pro-gun St Louis has double the murder rate of Chicago
St Louis has been named the most dangerous city at times--Chi not even in the top 10

It's not Saint louis you goof ball...


Its EAST SAINT LOUIS that was continually the murder capital, located across the Mississippi in Illinois.


.

OMG
wrong
I'm done with arguing with people who don't even do a BASIC research/etc and don't accept facts/etc

within St. Louis city limits

St. Louis Is America's Most Dangerous City: FBI
and:
America's 10 most dangerous cities
and:
Most dangerous cities
St. Louis named least safe city in America

 

[harmonica]

Not surprisingly the top ten murder cities still include the usual suspects like Detroit, New Orleans, Baltimore. Surprisingly Chicago doesn't make the list probably because everyone moved away or the census takers were murdered before they could take an accurate count of the citizens.

very pro-gun St Louis has double the murder rate of Chicago
St Louis has been named the most dangerous city at times--Chi not even in the top 10

It's not Saint louis you goof ball...


Its EAST SAINT LOUIS that was continually the murder capital, located across the Mississippi in Illinois.


.

and:

. This year St. Louis dropped from the #1 spot to the #2 slot, behind Detroit, as the most dangerous city in America

Is St. Louis The 2nd Most Dangerous City? – UrbanReview | ST LOUIS

 

[harmonica]

Not surprisingly the top ten murder cities still include the usual suspects like Detroit, New Orleans, Baltimore. Surprisingly Chicago doesn't make the list probably because everyone moved away or the census takers were murdered before they could take an accurate count of the citizens.

very pro-gun St Louis has double the murder rate of Chicago
St Louis has been named the most dangerous city at times--Chi not even in the top 10

It's not Saint louis you goof ball...


Its EAST SAINT LOUIS that was continually the murder capital, located across the Mississippi in Illinois.


.

and:

Though Washington University undergraduates in general feel safe near campus, St. Louis is once again the nation’s most dangerous city

St. Louis ranked again as most dangerous city | Student Life
very pro-''gun'

 

[harmonica]

Not surprisingly the top ten murder cities still include the usual suspects like Detroit, New Orleans, Baltimore. Surprisingly Chicago doesn't make the list probably because everyone moved away or the census takers were murdered before they could take an accurate count of the citizens.

very pro-gun St Louis has double the murder rate of Chicago
St Louis has been named the most dangerous city at times--Chi not even in the top 10

It's not Saint louis you goof ball...


Its EAST SAINT LOUIS that was continually the murder capital, located across the Mississippi in Illinois.


.

 

[harmonica]

If it's racist to tell the truth that black murder rates are extremely disproportionate to their percentage of the population then I guess I'll have to accept that label.

But it seems to me, if you're not allowed to admit there's a problem, there is no way in hell you're ever going to solve it.

You are not the slightest bit interested in "solving it". The Right is well aware that ghetto crime is black on black. It does not affect you at all. It just gives you an opportunity to validate your racist mindset. You guys have tried to do the same about Latinos, and Muslims in America, but that has not been successful for you. Even victims of the natural disaster in the Bahamas have been labeled by you guys. It comes down to, "everybody is a worthless criminal expect people like me".

So how do you solve it? Gun control? If that is the answer, then what type of gun control? If not gun control, what other ways can you solve it?

Gang violence is not a political phenomena. Your basic 17 year old drug dealer who was shot down in a drive-by did not vote the democratic ticket. He did not vote at all. Neither do democratic voters call for gun control to keep that 17 year old from stealing a gun. Gun control can stop an estranged husband from killing his wife, but not stop a drug dealer from killing another drug dealer. The war on drugs did not work, either. We lost that war. The problem is deep rooted poverty, education, and drugs. Nobody knows how to stop it. But gang violence is NOT going to be stopped by a republican waving his magic wand,

yes--you can NEVER stop humans from being human
MUCH MUCH easier to control the flow of firearms/etc

 

[harmonica]

Not surprisingly the top ten murder cities still include the usual suspects like Detroit, New Orleans, Baltimore. Surprisingly Chicago doesn't make the list probably because everyone moved away or the census takers were murdered before they could take an accurate count of the citizens.

very pro-gun St Louis has double the murder rate of Chicago
St Louis has been named the most dangerous city at times--Chi not even in the top 10

It's not Saint louis you goof ball...


Its EAST SAINT LOUIS that was continually the murder capital, located across the Mississippi in Illinois.


.

....what makes it even more amazing is StL does not have anywhere near the gang violence/gangs as LA, CHi and NYC
..and the population is much less dense

 

[Wyatt earp]

Not surprisingly the top ten murder cities still include the usual suspects like Detroit, New Orleans, Baltimore. Surprisingly Chicago doesn't make the list probably because everyone moved away or the census takers were murdered before they could take an accurate count of the citizens.

very pro-gun St Louis has double the murder rate of Chicago
St Louis has been named the most dangerous city at times--Chi not even in the top 10

It's not Saint louis you goof ball...


Its EAST SAINT LOUIS that was continually the murder capital, located across the Mississippi in Illinois.


.

OMG
wrong
I'm done with arguing with people who don't even do a BASIC research/etc and don't accept facts/etc

within St. Louis city limits

St. Louis Is America's Most Dangerous City: FBI
and:
America's 10 most dangerous cities
and:
Most dangerous cities
St. Louis named least safe city in America

You fuck I know both cities. Its EAST SAINT LOUIS that's dangerous as hell.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Not surprisingly the top ten murder cities still include the usual suspects like Detroit, New Orleans, Baltimore. Surprisingly Chicago doesn't make the list probably because everyone moved away or the census takers were murdered before they could take an accurate count of the citizens.

very pro-gun St Louis has double the murder rate of Chicago
St Louis has been named the most dangerous city at times--Chi not even in the top 10

It's not Saint louis you goof ball...


Its EAST SAINT LOUIS that was continually the murder capital, located across the Mississippi in Illinois.


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OMG
wrong
I'm done with arguing with people who don't even do a BASIC research/etc and don't accept facts/etc

within St. Louis city limits

St. Louis Is America's Most Dangerous City: FBI
and:
America's 10 most dangerous cities
and:
Most dangerous cities
St. Louis named least safe city in America

You fuck I know both cities. Its EAST SAINT LOUIS that's dangerous as hell.

Illinois Town of 26,000 Has Nation's Highest Murder Rate | The Crime Report



Illinois Town of 26,000 Has Nation’s Highest Murder Rate
By Crime and Justice News | April 24, 2019

East St. Louis, Il., has the nation’s highest murder rate, report the Belleville (IL) News-Democrat and St. Louis Public Radio. The chances of being murdered in East St. Louis are 19 times greater than the national average. The national homicide rate is around 5 murders for 100,000 people; in East St. Louis, it’s 96 murders per 100,000, topping cities like Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit and Washington, D.C. Only 25 percent of the murders are charged in criminal court, compared to a national average of 60 percent. There were 454 murders within the 14-square-mile border of East St. Louis from 2000 to 2018.