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How many links have I provided showing that every other Western country pays about half per capita what we do for healthcare and still covers everybody?

What does that have to with healthcare costs in the US and what they would be in the US under an universal healthcare system? Can you show these inherent cost savings or do you just feel UHC would be associated with cost savings without any proof?
 
How many links have I provided showing that every other Western country pays about half per capita what we do for healthcare and still covers everybody?

We essentially fund the entire R&D budget of the pharmaceutical industry because we do not impose price controls on prescription drugs and instead let the free market determine their price. All other mostly SOCIALIST governments SUBSIDIZE prescription drugs. We also allow doctors and surgeons to earn a healthy income. This provide real INCENTIVES for advancement in medical technology. If we adopted the policies of Western Europe kiss good bye to any real advancement in drug treatment or surgical techniques. That would be the END of medical advancement. As it is the United States is almost uniquely and solely responsible for the advancement of medical science, because we fund almost 100% of the research. Western Europe and the rest of world are nothing more that mooches
 
We essentially fund the entire R&D budget of the pharmaceutical industry because we do not impose price controls on prescription drugs and instead let the free market determine their price. All other mostly SOCIALIST governments SUBSIDIZE prescription drugs. We also allow doctors and surgeons to earn a healthy income. This provide real INCENTIVES for advancement in medical technology. If we adopted the policies of Western Europe kiss good bye to any real advancement in drug treatment or surgical techniques. That would be the END of medical advancement. As it is the United States is almost uniquely and solely responsible for the advancement of medical science, because we fund almost 100% of the research. Western Europe and the rest of world are nothing more that mooches

Yes, Harvard Medical School is going to shut down if we have universal healthcare. Oh, please....

Read some of the links provided.
 
We essentially fund the entire R&D budget of the pharmaceutical industry because we do not impose price controls on prescription drugs and instead let the free market determine their price. All other mostly SOCIALIST governments SUBSIDIZE prescription drugs. We also allow doctors and surgeons to earn a healthy income. This provide real INCENTIVES for advancement in medical technology. If we adopted the policies of Western Europe kiss good bye to any real advancement in drug treatment or surgical techniques. That would be the END of medical advancement. As it is the United States is almost uniquely and solely responsible for the advancement of medical science, because we fund almost 100% of the research. Western Europe and the rest of world are nothing more that mooches

Below is a link to all the Nobel prize winners for medicine. Most came from universities in Europe and the United States, not Big Pharma....

All Nobel Laureates in Medicine
 
How many links have I provided showing that every other Western country pays about half per capita what we do for healthcare and still covers everybody?

That is irrelevant, none of those other countries have the GDP of the US, which plays into US prices for healthcare. None of those other countries spend the amount that the US pays for medical R&D but those other countries benefit from our research without having to adsorb those costs. So to just assume if we adopt an UHC system that the government's cost for providing healthcare would drop is not supported by facts.
 
That is irrelevant, none of those other countries have the GDP of the US, which plays into US prices for healthcare. None of those other countries spend the amount that the US pays for medical R&D but those other countries benefit from our research without having to adsorb those costs. So to just assume if we adopt an UHC system that the government's cost for providing healthcare would drop is not supported by facts.

The cost is not going to drop because the corporate lobbyists are not going to give up the billions of dollars they make off of sick people so easily.
 
That is irrelevant, none of those other countries have the GDP of the US, which plays into US prices for healthcare. None of those other countries spend the amount that the US pays for medical R&D but those other countries benefit from our research without having to adsorb those costs. So to just assume if we adopt an UHC system that the government's cost for providing healthcare would drop is not supported by facts.

All Nobel Laureates in Medicine
 
We essentially fund the entire R&D budget of the pharmaceutical industry because we do not impose price controls on prescription drugs and instead let the free market determine their price. All other mostly SOCIALIST governments SUBSIDIZE prescription drugs. We also allow doctors and surgeons to earn a healthy income. This provide real INCENTIVES for advancement in medical technology. If we adopted the policies of Western Europe kiss good bye to any real advancement in drug treatment or surgical techniques. That would be the END of medical advancement. As it is the United States is almost uniquely and solely responsible for the advancement of medical science, because we fund almost 100% of the research. Western Europe and the rest of world are nothing more that mooches

You beat me to the punch.....about R&D
 
We essentially fund the entire R&D budget of the pharmaceutical industry because we do not impose price controls on prescription drugs and instead let the free market determine their price. All other mostly SOCIALIST governments SUBSIDIZE prescription drugs. We also allow doctors and surgeons to earn a healthy income. This provide real INCENTIVES for advancement in medical technology. If we adopted the policies of Western Europe kiss good bye to any real advancement in drug treatment or surgical techniques. That would be the END of medical advancement. As it is the United States is almost uniquely and solely responsible for the advancement of medical science, because we fund almost 100% of the research. Western Europe and the rest of world are nothing more that mooches

Zoomie, the pharmacuetical industry spend far less on R&D than they do on marketing in the USA, alone.

As to the savings that single payer offers, about 25% of the cost of private health care is administrative costs and profits

Medicade/care runs their operations on about 2% admin costs. That's a whole lot of billions of dollars saved in aggregate with single payer HC.

I tell you these things despite my own reservations about that proposed system, incidently.

The system we have, simply is failing too many of us not to do something.
 
You beat me to the punch.....about R&D

If you read the link from the Council on Foreign Relations, we are losing competiveness in the world marketplace because our healthcare costs are effecting the cost of doing business in the U.S. Toyota located a plant in Canada partly because healthcare costs there are paid for by the government. We need universal healthcare but no one, not even the Dems, is willing to champion it because Hillary got beaten like a rat in a closet when she tried to bring it about.
 
Yes, Harvard Medical School is going to shut down if we have universal healthcare. Oh, please....

Read some of the links provided.

Research only occurrs when the researchers have an expectation to get rich off the research. They don't GIVE A DAMN about saving humanity. They want MONEY. Deny them that and they will simply not even try.

You get that? If not, then you are too stupid to live.
 
Ok and ??

I know you don't read any of the links I provide.

If you click on this link, and then click on the names of the winners, you will see that most of the discoveries in medicine were made by universities in Europe and America. Those damn socialists in Britain have won quite a few Nobel prizes for medicine, but I know they are just mooching off our for profit system.

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/
 
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Zoomie, the pharmacuetical industry spend far less on R&D than they do on marketing in the USA, alone.

As to the savings that single payer offers, about 25% of the cost of private health care is administrative costs and profits

Medicade/care runs their operations on about 2% admin costs. That's a whole lot of billions of dollars saved in aggregate with single payer HC.

I tell you these things despite my own reservations about that proposed system, incidently.

The system we have, simply is failing too many of us not to do something.

Ugh!!!! It is the marketing of their most promising drugs that funds more research. Medical advancement happens the same way everything else does; when the creators of those advancements have a chance to GET RICH. These people DO NOT GIVE A DAMN about saving humanity....they WANT TO GET RICH by SAVING YOUR ASS from CANCER or whatever else ails you. It is HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS!!!!!!!

Got that?????????
 
Below is a link to all the Nobel prize winners for medicine. Most came from universities in Europe and the United States, not Big Pharma....

All Nobel Laureates in Medicine

But who is going to get their ideas to the masses? Big Pharmaceuticals!!!!!! Why? When you have a miracle drug to save lives people will PAY THROUGH THE NOSE for it!!!! That's how IT WORKS!!!! These people don't GIVE A SHIT about you, your mother, your sister or anyone else. They WANT TO GET RICH by saving your life. That is how drug research works. We get a societal benifit and the price is we hand wealth to those who provide it!!!!

The basics are really VERY SIMPLE. it's called HUMAN NATURE
 
Zoomie, the pharmacuetical industry spend far less on R&D than they do on marketing in the USA, alone.

As to the savings that single payer offers, about 25% of the cost of private health care is administrative costs and profits

Medicade/care runs their operations on about 2% admin costs. That's a whole lot of billions of dollars saved in aggregate with single payer HC.

I tell you these things despite my own reservations about that proposed system, incidently.

The system we have, simply is failing too many of us not to do something.

We simply can't take on a multi-trillion dollar system. If we do the US government will implode with huge deficits....
 
Research only occurrs when the researchers have an expectation to get rich off the research. They don't GIVE A DAMN about saving humanity. They want MONEY. Deny them that and they will simply not even try.

You get that? If not, then you are too stupid to live.

What a brilliant post. All researchers are just in it for the money. You do know that some researchers donate their Nobel Prize money to charities? You are so smart, I know you knew that.

Berkeley Nobel laureates donate prize money to charity

Noyori gets Nobel prize money, says he intends to donate.

Nobel Laureate Yunus to Donate His Prize Money

RTÉ News: Hume to donate Nobel prize money

Prize winner to donate funds from Israeli university to Arab researchers
 
Ugh!!!! It is the marketing of their most promising drugs that funds more research. Medical advancement happens the same way everything else does; when the creators of those advancements have a chance to GET RICH. These people DO NOT GIVE A DAMN about saving humanity....they WANT TO GET RICH by SAVING YOUR ASS from CANCER or whatever else ails you. It is HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS!!!!!!!

Got that?????????

That cure for cancer, have they found it yet?
 

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