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No, our gun laws aren't even a little bit crazy. Remember, Wingnuts, keep pissing yourselves over 3 year olds from Syria... because this isn't something to worry about at all.
From 2004 to 2014, over 2,000 terror suspects legally purchased guns in the United States
It's their second amendment rights plus they need those guns to do their job.No, our gun laws aren't even a little bit crazy. Remember, Wingnuts, keep pissing yourselves over 3 year olds from Syria... because this isn't something to worry about at all.
From 2004 to 2014, over 2,000 terror suspects legally purchased guns in the United States
Given France's strict gun laws, the terrorists who attacked Paris on Friday may have turned to black market sources for the weapons they used. But in the United States, known and suspected terrorists are allowed to purchase firearms under federal law.
"Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law," the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. The law prohibits felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States. But people on the FBI's consolidated terrorist watchlist — typically placed there when there is "reasonable suspicion" that they are a known or suspected terrorist — can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles.
And, as the GAO found, a number of them do: Between 2004 and 2014, suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases — 91 percent of the time — they succeeded.
Sure, we all came from families of foreigners at one time or another, but not from places that harbor people that want to kill every American.
Don't know how you COULDN'T understand this.. These folks have not been convicted of anything -- yet. And IIRC -- about 30% or more are MISTAKES. This is exactly why we (the folks that like ALL of the first 10 Amendments) would never allow shoddy constructs like a "terror watch list" to infringe on rights.
And besides, if they went to purchase a gun and were denied -- they'd have to be told why.
What makes you think that REAL terrorists buy their stuff at retail stores anyway?
I don't know what the process is by which one gets added to that list, but I very much doubt if it involves proper due process of law, consisting of being tried and convicted of a crime. That being the case,why shouldn't they be able to buy guns? Merely being suspected of having ties to terrorism is not legitimate grounds for denial of any of one's basic Constitutional rights. Innocent until proven guilty.
And so the crazies can buy all the guns that they want. What a concept. Certainly puts money in Rabbi's pocket.You should have left it. You are taking all the fun out of this...I admit when I make a mistake and would ask the Mods to correct the thread title.
correction, I can fix the thread title myself now. Thanks Mods, for installing that feature!
NOrmally, I'd say yes, but it is kind of a serious discussion.
how insane is it that-
1) We have 700,000 people on a "Terror Watch List" to start with. Obviously, all 700,000 of them are not terrorists. If they were, we'd be in real shit right now. If they aren't citizens, why aren't we revoking their green cards, immediately. If they are citizens, then why are they being put on a list that prevents them from doing things like flying on an airplane without
2) that we allow people we have concerns with to buy guns with little or not questions? We can thank the NRA for this, who no doubt think that if being on a terrorist list bans you from buying guns, it's not a big stretch to put a Gun Nut who thinks we needs guns to over throw the government could be interpreted as a "Terrorist".
Here's the problem with your thinking...under our Constitution, we have the concept of due process. You can't just strip someone of their rights because they are a "suspect". Gun laws are designed to limit access to weapons by those already convicted in a court of law.
I don't know what the process is by which one gets added to that list, but I very much doubt if it involves proper due process of law, consisting of being tried and convicted of a crime. That being the case,why shouldn't they be able to buy guns? Merely being suspected of having ties to terrorism is not legitimate grounds for denial of any of one's basic Constitutional rights. Innocent until proven guilty.
Well, besides the fact the Second Amendment is about MILITIAS and not gun ownership, by your same logic, why do we deny the mentally ill the right to buy guns. (Of course, the mentally ill can just lie about being mentally ill, and the gun industry is just happy to sell them guns, anyway.)
If they haven't committed a crime yet, why do we deny them the right to own a gun? Oh, that's right. Becuase they are fucking mentally ill, you dumbass.
Of course, every time we have one of these characters like Mercer or Loughner or Holmes or Lanza shoot up a school, we find out EVERYONE in their lives knew they were crazy. But they were still able to get a gun, anyway, because the National Rampage Association has convinced stupid people this is a "right".
MEANWHILE- other countries, gun ownership is a privilege. And while you do have the occassional terrorist attack or crime, they don't have anywhere near our murder rates.
I don't know what the process is by which one gets added to that list, but I very much doubt if it involves proper due process of law, consisting of being tried and convicted of a crime. That being the case,why shouldn't they be able to buy guns? Merely being suspected of having ties to terrorism is not legitimate grounds for denial of any of one's basic Constitutional rights. Innocent until proven guilty.
Well, besides the fact the Second Amendment is about MILITIAS and not gun ownership, by your same logic, why do we deny the mentally ill the right to buy guns. (Of course, the mentally ill can just lie about being mentally ill, and the gun industry is just happy to sell them guns, anyway.)
If they haven't committed a crime yet, why do we deny them the right to own a gun? Oh, that's right. Becuase they are fucking mentally ill, you dumbass.
Of course, every time we have one of these characters like Mercer or Loughner or Holmes or Lanza shoot up a school, we find out EVERYONE in their lives knew they were crazy. But they were still able to get a gun, anyway, because the National Rampage Association has convinced stupid people this is a "right".
MEANWHILE- other countries, gun ownership is a privilege. And while you do have the occassional terrorist attack or crime, they don't have anywhere near our murder rates.
MEANWHILE- other countries, gun ownership is a privilege
Well, besides the fact the Second Amendment is about MILITIAS and not gun ownership,
No, our gun laws aren't even a little bit crazy. Remember, Wingnuts, keep pissing yourselves over 3 year olds from Syria... because this isn't something to worry about at all.
From 2004 to 2014, over 2,000 terror suspects legally purchased guns in the United States
Given France's strict gun laws, the terrorists who attacked Paris on Friday may have turned to black market sources for the weapons they used. But in the United States, known and suspected terrorists are allowed to purchase firearms under federal law.
"Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law," the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. The law prohibits felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States. But people on the FBI's consolidated terrorist watchlist — typically placed there when there is "reasonable suspicion" that they are a known or suspected terrorist — can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles.
And, as the GAO found, a number of them do: Between 2004 and 2014, suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases — 91 percent of the time — they succeeded.
Don't know how you COULDN'T understand this.. These folks have not been convicted of anything -- yet. And IIRC -- about 30% or more are MISTAKES. This is exactly why we (the folks that like ALL of the first 10 Amendments) would never allow shoddy constructs like a "terror watch list" to infringe on rights.
And besides, if they went to purchase a gun and were denied -- they'd have to be told why.
What makes you think that REAL terrorists buy their stuff at retail stores anyway?
If we should be able to take their right to own a gun in the US, why don't we just arrest them and throw them in prison for life?
If we should be able to take their right to own a gun in the US, why don't we just arrest them and throw them in prison for life?
because locking people up is impratical and expensive.
Gun confiscation is easy.
Gun confiscation is easy.
If we should be able to take their right to own a gun in the US, why don't we just arrest them and throw them in prison for life?
because locking people up is impratical and expensive.
Gun confiscation is easy.
Get rid of the 2nd, and it will be a privilege here as well.
Til then, it's a Right
Because terrorists have no weapons connection outside of a gun shop apparently.
Try it, see how easy it is.
No, our gun laws aren't even a little bit crazy. Remember, Wingnuts, keep pissing yourselves over 3 year olds from Syria... because this isn't something to worry about at all.
From 2004 to 2014, over 2,000 terror suspects legally purchased guns in the United States
Given France's strict gun laws, the terrorists who attacked Paris on Friday may have turned to black market sources for the weapons they used. But in the United States, known and suspected terrorists are allowed to purchase firearms under federal law.
"Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law," the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. The law prohibits felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States. But people on the FBI's consolidated terrorist watchlist — typically placed there when there is "reasonable suspicion" that they are a known or suspected terrorist — can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles.
And, as the GAO found, a number of them do: Between 2004 and 2014, suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases — 91 percent of the time — they succeeded.
Oh, so that's why........
You see, I thought it had to do with liberty and rights that we protect in the USA. And now I find out that it's because of expense and convenience.
thanks once again for pointing out once again how big government
is usually a failure and unrelibable
Get rid of the 2nd, and it will be a privilege here as well.
Til then, it's a Right
Or you get people in the Supreme Court who can read PLAINLY WRITTEN ENGLISH. "OH a WELL REGULATED MILITIA!!!"
Pictured - NOT a well-regulated militia.
Because terrorists have no weapons connection outside of a gun shop apparently.
Why would they need one when you've got gun shops selling weapons by the truckloads?
Oh, so that's why........
You see, I thought it had to do with liberty and rights that we protect in the USA. And now I find out that it's because of expense and convenience.
Guns don't make you free or compensate for your tiny dick. Hate to keep breaking that to you.
what part of "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms," is NOT plain English?
Even in those days, you didn't need to belong to a militia to own arms.
