2000 People on "Terror Watch List" able to buy guns!

[defcon4]

I agree are gun laws insane, terrorist can buy them but a terrorized woman on a prescribed substance by her doctor can't buy one under that 1968 gun law.

I thought there were no terrorists... everybody was vetted, no?

 

[JoeB131]

So you admit that Holder and Obozo demonstrated their utter incompetence on Fast and Furious, right???

Then Obozo used executive privilege in an attempt to cover it up...

No, I just don't think it was that big of a deal.

250,000 guns cross the border every year. Losing track of a couple dozen of them while being able to catch some of the bad actors who were doing the gun walking isn't a bad trade off.

Of course, in a SANE world, we'd strictly regulate who can buy and sell guns, just like every other civilized country does.

 

[JoeB131]

I agree are gun laws insane, terrorist can buy them but a terrorized woman on a prescribed substance by her doctor can't buy one under that 1968 gun law.

We had 19,000 gun suicides by people who were on medications or should have been last year.

We had 14 people killed by terrorists. Most of them outside the United States.

Nothing wrong with the 1968 law except for its lack of real enforcement.

 

[Obiwan]

So you admit that Holder and Obozo demonstrated their utter incompetence on Fast and Furious, right???

Then Obozo used executive privilege in an attempt to cover it up...

No, I just don't think it was that big of a deal.

250,000 guns cross the border every year. Losing track of a couple dozen of them while being able to catch some of the bad actors who were doing the gun walking isn't a bad trade off.

Of course, in a SANE world, we'd strictly regulate who can buy and sell guns, just like every other civilized country does.

Tell that to Brian Terry's family...
EXCLUSIVE: Third Gun Linked to 'Fast and Furious' Identified at Border Agent's Murder Scene | Fox News

 

[JoeB131]

Tell that to Brian Terry's family...

1) FOx News isn't credible.

2) NO one has claimed that it was a F&F gun that actually killed Terry.

3) Do you really think these cartels would have had any trouble getting one of the 250,000 other guns the gun industry walks across the border every year?

 

[defcon4]

Tell that to Brian Terry's family...

1) FOx News isn't credible.

2) NO one has claimed that it was a F&F gun that actually killed Terry.

3) Do you really think these cartels would have had any trouble getting one of the 250,000 other guns the gun industry walks across the border every year?

Some facts to back that up?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

No, the gun industry doesn't ship guns to mexico. That's highly illegal and any gun owner doing this would be imprisoned. Govt doesn't care about the law and ships illegally to all of these drug dealers and cartels.

yeah, when was the last time a gun dealer was locked up for doing that? The point of F&F was to track it, but local authorities in Arizona are so in the pocket of the National Rampage Association thta you could show them film of gangbangers walking into gun stores and they wouldn't do anything.

That simply is not true. Thats conjecture. No licensed dealer was selling weapons across the border. What was happening is that our govt was trying to coerce these dealers into some shady stuff in the name of national security.

 

[bodecea]

So they can buy them under Obozo??

Guess that means he doesn't need another "Fast and Furious" to arm them like he did with the Mexican drug cartels, huh??

I guess President Obama isn't taking our guns after all, huh?

 

[bodecea]

Tell that to Brian Terry's family...

1) FOx News isn't credible.

2) NO one has claimed that it was a F&F gun that actually killed Terry.

3) Do you really think these cartels would have had any trouble getting one of the 250,000 other guns the gun industry walks across the border every year?

It's interesting how they NOW want to blame the gun.......isn't it?

 

[JoeB131]

That simply is not true. Thats conjecture. No licensed dealer was selling weapons across the border. What was happening is that our govt was trying to coerce these dealers into some shady stuff in the name of national security.

2000 Illegal Weapons Cross US-Mexico Border Per Day: Report

A new study suggests the number of guns trafficked from the United States to Mexico is higher than previously believed, underscoring the uncertainty that surrounds the cross-border weapons trade, as well as its impact on violence in Mexico.

According to a recent report (pdf) on arms traffickingby Mexico's governmental research service, known as the CESOP, an estimated 2,000 weapons illegally enterMexico from the United States every day. The report says 85 percent of the approximately 15 million weapons that were in circulation in Mexico in 2012 were illegal.

The report -- which is based largely on numerous international studies and reports -- highlights the large number of cheap military and assault-style weapons available in the United States, in addition to lax US gun laws, as the main reasons for the high number of arms smuggled into Mexico. Some 40 percent of firearms used by drug traffickers inMexico come from Texas alone, the report stated.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So you admit that Holder and Obozo demonstrated their utter incompetence on Fast and Furious, right???

Then Obozo used executive privilege in an attempt to cover it up...

No, I just don't think it was that big of a deal.

250,000 guns cross the border every year. Losing track of a couple dozen of them while being able to catch some of the bad actors who were doing the gun walking isn't a bad trade off.

Of course, in a SANE world, we'd strictly regulate who can buy and sell guns, just like every other civilized country does.

So let me get this straight: you're all for all kinds of foreigners coming over here, but then want to restrict gun usage? That's how a typical lib solves a problem.

 

[JoeB131]

So let me get this straight: you're all for all kinds of foreigners coming over here, but then want to restrict gun usage? That's how a typical lib solves a problem.

I could explain it to you again, and you still wouldn't understand.

Okay, one more time. We let people on the Terror Watch List buy guns, even though they are on the terror watch list.

We let crazy people buy guns.

We let felons buy guns.

The problem isn't "Foreigners". We were all foreigners at one point. We have someone in our family tree who wasn't born here.

the problem is gun laws that are so lax that the people who clearly shouldn't have guns - citizens or foreigners- can get them.

 

[SwimExpert]

Anyone who thinks that a terrorist will be stopped from buying a gun, just because it would be illegal to do so, is a fucking idiot.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So let me get this straight: you're all for all kinds of foreigners coming over here, but then want to restrict gun usage? That's how a typical lib solves a problem.

I could explain it to you again, and you still wouldn't understand.

Okay, one more time. We let people on the Terror Watch List buy guns, even though they are on the terror watch list.

We let crazy people buy guns.

We let felons buy guns.

The problem isn't "Foreigners". We were all foreigners at one point. We have someone in our family tree who wasn't born here.

the problem is gun laws that are so lax that the people who clearly shouldn't have guns - citizens or foreigners- can get them.

Sure, we all came from families of foreigners at one time or another, but not from places that harbor people that want to kill every American.

We have 315 million people in this country, and according to your report, about 200 guns a year were sold to those on terrorist watch lists. So how do you propose to stop that given the fact that most people who cannot legally buy guns get somebody else to buy guns for them?

 

[SuperDemocrat]

No, our gun laws aren't even a little bit crazy. Remember, Wingnuts, keep pissing yourselves over 3 year olds from Syria... because this isn't something to worry about at all.


From 2004 to 2014, over 2,000 terror suspects legally purchased guns in the United States

Given France's strict gun laws, the terrorists who attacked Paris on Friday may have turned to black market sources for the weapons they used. But in the United States, known and suspected terrorists are allowed to purchase firearms under federal law.

"Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law," the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. The law prohibits felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States. But people on the FBI's consolidated terrorist watchlist — typically placed there when there is "reasonable suspicion" that they are a known or suspected terrorist — can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles.

And, as the GAO found, a number of them do: Between 2004 and 2014, suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases — 91 percent of the time — they succeeded.

I'm cool with that. How about you bro?

 

[SuperDemocrat]

No, our gun laws aren't even a little bit crazy. Remember, Wingnuts, keep pissing yourselves over 3 year olds from Syria... because this isn't something to worry about at all.


From 2004 to 2014, over 2,000 terror suspects legally purchased guns in the United States

Given France's strict gun laws, the terrorists who attacked Paris on Friday may have turned to black market sources for the weapons they used. But in the United States, known and suspected terrorists are allowed to purchase firearms under federal law.

"Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law," the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. The law prohibits felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States. But people on the FBI's consolidated terrorist watchlist — typically placed there when there is "reasonable suspicion" that they are a known or suspected terrorist — can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles.

And, as the GAO found, a number of them do: Between 2004 and 2014, suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases — 91 percent of the time — they succeeded.

Are you upset that Muslims can buy guns? It seems that you probably think that all Syrians shouldn't be able to buy guns either. Why do you discriminate against Muslims.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[flacaltenn]

No, our gun laws aren't even a little bit crazy. Remember, Wingnuts, keep pissing yourselves over 3 year olds from Syria... because this isn't something to worry about at all.


From 2004 to 2014, over 2,000 terror suspects legally purchased guns in the United States

Given France's strict gun laws, the terrorists who attacked Paris on Friday may have turned to black market sources for the weapons they used. But in the United States, known and suspected terrorists are allowed to purchase firearms under federal law.

"Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law," the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. The law prohibits felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States. But people on the FBI's consolidated terrorist watchlist — typically placed there when there is "reasonable suspicion" that they are a known or suspected terrorist — can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles.

And, as the GAO found, a number of them do: Between 2004 and 2014, suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases — 91 percent of the time — they succeeded.

Don't know how you COULDN'T understand this.. These folks have not been convicted of anything -- yet. And IIRC -- about 30% or more are MISTAKES. This is exactly why we (the folks that like ALL of the first 10 Amendments) would never allow shoddy constructs like a "terror watch list" to infringe on rights.

And besides, if they went to purchase a gun and were denied -- they'd have to be told why.

What makes you think that REAL terrorists buy their stuff at retail stores anyway?

 

[flacaltenn]

Here's the problem with your thinking...under our Constitution, we have the concept of due process. You can't just strip someone of their rights because they are a "suspect". Gun laws are designed to limit access to weapons by those already convicted in a court of law.

If we were giving these guys due process, we wouldn't have them on a list at all.

I don't have a problem with a list shared among agencies. As long as an individual who becomes aware of their listing has an easy route to dispute it. Suspects are suspects. And the government makes a LOT of stupid errors.

 

[flacaltenn]

So let me get this straight: you're all for all kinds of foreigners coming over here, but then want to restrict gun usage? That's how a typical lib solves a problem.

I could explain it to you again, and you still wouldn't understand.

Okay, one more time. We let people on the Terror Watch List buy guns, even though they are on the terror watch list.

We let crazy people buy guns.

We let felons buy guns.

The problem isn't "Foreigners". We were all foreigners at one point. We have someone in our family tree who wasn't born here.

the problem is gun laws that are so lax that the people who clearly shouldn't have guns - citizens or foreigners- can get them.

Who "let's felons buy guns"?