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bucs90 said:But, to the original message of "No miracles yet".........you mean people are still having to pay their mortgages and put gas in their cars? GASP!!! And to think, Obama voters actually thought he was gonna pay their mortgages and gas bills for them.
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The cartoon brought home to me the question what would McCain have done? What would Palin do, if faced with those same problems all within a year and a half?
Compounding the very real problems is a 21st Century presidency having to deal with channel-changing, text-messaging, viral e-mailing, Twittering, self-appointed experts wanting instant gratification. McCain has a wicked temper and would be throwing tantrums. Palin's self-image is so great, she would have just quit.
Well, under McCain/Palin, the following would be different:
1- The Healthcare bill that will bankrupt the USA would not have passed.
2- The US Federal Gov't would not drop a lawsuit on Arizona for the immigration bill.
3- The US foreign policy would not be to bow to dictators and appease Iran. Iran is emboldened and rapidly aquiring a nuclear weapon. Unspeakable evil could result.
4- The economy would probably be no better, no worse. No president can fix that right now. But, I imagine businesses wouldn't be as nervous about higher taxes under McCain. Maybe would be more willing to take some hiring risks, especially knowing they aren't gonna be forced to pay healthcare for every worker they hire. That healthcare bill is a hiring issue also.
5- The Black Panthers would be getting prosecuted by the Feds.
6- The oil spill would still be just as bad. But McCain would've lifted the Jones Act and allowed all the foreign nations to help us instead of Obama refusing to lift it because it would hurt unions.
But, to the original message of "No miracles yet".........you mean people are still having to pay their mortgages and put gas in their cars? GASP!!! And to think, Obama voters actually thought he was gonna pay their mortgages and gas bills for them.
Neither McCain nor Palin would have operated as one-person shows, either. They too would have had advisory staff, especially with regard to Iran and I can guarantee that McCain would NOT be threatening to bomb them. Many campaign promises would be unfulfilled or put on the back burner, just as they always are.
With regard the the domestic issues, nope-- health care would not even be mentioned as a problem (that is until the skyrocketing costs of private care and insurance began hitting the pockets of the upper-middle class). Both would have realized immediately that the TARP "bailout" (although disgusting to have to do) was the only way to stop a run on banks all over the world and completely destroying the economy. They would have allowed GM to fail and thus become responsible for an additional thousands (and thousands more that rely on the auto industry) to join the ranks of the unemployed.
You mentioned a few "events" like the Black Panthers (that group which, by the way, apparently will face charges for their influence peddling), but for the most part, that was such a tiny non-story, nobody really gives a shit. The whole state of Ohio in 2004? Now THAT was a story about influence peddling. But I won't derail the thread.
bucs90 said:But, to the original message of "No miracles yet".........you mean people are still having to pay their mortgages and put gas in their cars? GASP!!! And to think, Obama voters actually thought he was gonna pay their mortgages and gas bills for them.
Uh no, asshole. The majority of Obama voters would have voted for Donald Duck if he had been a Democratic candidate who thought it was time to put some teeth into DOMESTIC PROBLEMS for a change instead of trying to solve the rest of the world's.
Looks like that hopey-changey went right down the drain.
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The cartoon brought home to me the question what would McCain have done? What would Palin do, if faced with those same problems all within a year and a half?
Compounding the very real problems is a 21st Century presidency having to deal with channel-changing, text-messaging, viral e-mailing, Twittering, self-appointed experts wanting instant gratification. McCain has a wicked temper and would be throwing tantrums. Palin's self-image is so great, she would have just quit.
They would not have approved a billion dollar bailout that did not work nor a trillion and half dollar budget. They would not tell the people " don't read the bill, honest we know what is best" We would not have billions in new costs due to a failed Health care idiocy. We would not be looking at a doubling of the deficit in 4 years. Nor would 50 cents on ever dollar the fed spends be borrowed.
bucs90 said:But, to the original message of "No miracles yet".........you mean people are still having to pay their mortgages and put gas in their cars? GASP!!! And to think, Obama voters actually thought he was gonna pay their mortgages and gas bills for them.
Uh no, asshole. The majority of Obama voters would have voted for Donald Duck if he had been a Democratic candidate who thought it was time to put some teeth into DOMESTIC PROBLEMS for a change instead of trying to solve the rest of the world's.
Looks like that hopey-changey went right down the drain.
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The cartoon brought home to me the question what would McCain have done? What would Palin do, if faced with those same problems all within a year and a half?
Compounding the very real problems is a 21st Century presidency having to deal with channel-changing, text-messaging, viral e-mailing, Twittering, self-appointed experts wanting instant gratification. McCain has a wicked temper and would be throwing tantrums. Palin's self-image is so great, she would have just quit.
Who holds the office of the presidency? Let's just stick with that question, because it is the reality.
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The cartoon brought home to me the question what would McCain have done? What would Palin do, if faced with those same problems all within a year and a half?
Compounding the very real problems is a 21st Century presidency having to deal with channel-changing, text-messaging, viral e-mailing, Twittering, self-appointed experts wanting instant gratification. McCain has a wicked temper and would be throwing tantrums. Palin's self-image is so great, she would have just quit.
They would not have approved a billion dollar bailout that did not work nor a trillion and half dollar budget. They would not tell the people " don't read the bill, honest we know what is best" We would not have billions in new costs due to a failed Health care idiocy. We would not be looking at a doubling of the deficit in 4 years. Nor would 50 cents on ever dollar the fed spends be borrowed.
You know those would be the results...how? All the lip service for over a year by Republicans is just that. Generating revenue without destroying programs that benefit a majority of society is a lot easier said than done. I'm extremely anxious to watch them try.
Both my construction ventures are flat out in the tank right now.I had dinner with three of my friends last night. Two are in construction and one is in healthcare. Both of those in construction are on unemployment have been for over a month now. We were talking about it and one of them stated that under Bush they never had been laid off, and both are blaming Obama for their unemployment now.
Doesn't matter who's fault you want to place the blame....the people that are unemployed are blaming Barry. just sayin....
People who have the money are sitting on it, because of all the economic uncertainty with the current bunch of spoiled little brats in charge of the nation's credit card.
The cartoon brought home to me the question what would McCain have done? What would Palin do, if faced with those same problems all within a year and a half?
They would have cut taxes to correct each problem and would be "studying" healthcare...beyond that, I really don't know
Translation: They would have allowed the private sector to keep more if it's own money, so that the private sector would have more money to invest in looking for way's to fix it's own problems.
Super Duper Fantastic Translation: They would expect more Americans to fix their problems with their own money and own ideas instead of crying to the government to fix it.
Super Duper Fantastic Fun Hour Translation: People would have to be more responsible and accountable for their own issues, but our country would go bankrupt a lot farther down the road than we are going to now.
Hey, that pesky personal responsibility thing keeps rearing it's ugly head. Good thing the progressive left is going to eliminate all need for it.
Saw those yesterday.Both my construction ventures are flat out in the tank right now.I had dinner with three of my friends last night. Two are in construction and one is in healthcare. Both of those in construction are on unemployment have been for over a month now. We were talking about it and one of them stated that under Bush they never had been laid off, and both are blaming Obama for their unemployment now.
Doesn't matter who's fault you want to place the blame....the people that are unemployed are blaming Barry. just sayin....
People who have the money are sitting on it, because of all the economic uncertainty with the current bunch of spoiled little brats in charge of the nation's credit card.
Some articles you might want to look at?
• Daily Beast: The Elite Turn Against Obama - Lloyd Grove
• Daily Beast: He's Done Everything Wrong - Mort Zuckerman
Appears some are getting it.
That point didn't go over my head.Looks like that hopey-changey went right down the drain.
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The cartoon brought home to me the question what would McCain have done? What would Palin do, if faced with those same problems all within a year and a half?
Compounding the very real problems is a 21st Century presidency having to deal with channel-changing, text-messaging, viral e-mailing, Twittering, self-appointed experts wanting instant gratification. McCain has a wicked temper and would be throwing tantrums. Palin's self-image is so great, she would have just quit.
Funny how blind political hacks, like you and Trudeau, need to deflect from their abject failures by playing "oh yeah, well at least we're not as sucky as THEM."
Fool.
I thank Obama, I still have a job. Republicans wanted to ship all of them overseas.
Could you imagine what would have happened if we elected McCain?
He would have finished the destruction of the US that Republicans started under Bush.
I think it's something about the end of the world will bring Jesus back, but it's never been clear why they want this country destroyed. All we know is they have worked tirelessly to achieve that goal.
If there were an award for most brainwashed far left liberal on this site, you'd contend.
Rather than trying to reverse the progressive brainwashing you've endured, allow me to propose you with a math formula:
Past Republicans: Wanted to export jobs.
Current Democrats: Want to keep importing workers.
Exporting Jobs + Importing Workers = What for the American people?
Solve that equation, and you'll understand a portion of the Tea Party message. Both sides suck. We are trying to clean out the right. You need to try to clean out the left. We cannot export jobs while importing workers. The math doesn't work out well for us.
Saw those yesterday.Both my construction ventures are flat out in the tank right now.
People who have the money are sitting on it, because of all the economic uncertainty with the current bunch of spoiled little brats in charge of the nation's credit card.
Some articles you might want to look at?
Daily Beast: The Elite Turn Against Obama - Lloyd Grove
Daily Beast: He's Done Everything Wrong - Mort Zuckerman
Appears some are getting it.
My question is why was it that those supposed wizards of smart couldn't see this coming back during the campaign?
I sure did.
That point didn't go over my head.--->whoosh--->
The cartoon brought home to me the question what would McCain have done? What would Palin do, if faced with those same problems all within a year and a half?
Compounding the very real problems is a 21st Century presidency having to deal with channel-changing, text-messaging, viral e-mailing, Twittering, self-appointed experts wanting instant gratification. McCain has a wicked temper and would be throwing tantrums. Palin's self-image is so great, she would have just quit.
Funny how blind political hacks, like you and Trudeau, need to deflect from their abject failures by playing "oh yeah, well at least we're not as sucky as THEM."
Fool.
Hey man, cut 'em some slack. They have actually made a huge leap forward in progress on this thread. Their Messiah got criticized, yes, again. He's a disaster and getting worse.
But they deflected the blame and asked what would've happened if McCain won? While that is still a sorry argument in response to your question, do you know why it is progress for their brainwashed liberal brains???? Well, I still can't believe it and the thread is far from over, but so far they actually haven't blamed Bush. Amazing isn't it?
They would not have approved a billion dollar bailout that did not work nor a trillion and half dollar budget. They would not tell the people " don't read the bill, honest we know what is best" We would not have billions in new costs due to a failed Health care idiocy. We would not be looking at a doubling of the deficit in 4 years. Nor would 50 cents on ever dollar the fed spends be borrowed.
You know those would be the results...how? All the lip service for over a year by Republicans is just that. Generating revenue without destroying programs that benefit a majority of society is a lot easier said than done. I'm extremely anxious to watch them try.
Living in a bankrupt country is a lot worse. Both sides are just trying to kick the can to the other party until the inevitable time period comes when the social services collapse and our country goes bankrupt. Neither side wants to be the side that is PROACTIVE in cutting spending because, of course, people will whine and cry about their entitlement being gone and vote them out.
Our system is unsustainable. It's going to have to be cut. No way around it. Conservative values need to be learned, because a time is coming when self-reliance, responsibility and independence will be the ONLY way to get by in our country. Relying on the gov't for one's needs is coming to an end. The only real debate is which party will be in charge when it happens, because neither wants to be the one that prevents it through proactive and gradual spending cuts.
I was away for a week. Did I miss the memo that McCain, who didn't win, is now the new one to blame? Bush is out? Now, that's a miracle!
Most of the independents have caught on that after 4 years in power the democrats haven't a leg to stand on when blaming republicans and after 2 years of NO Bush, Obama may actually be responsible for all the dumb ass things he has done.
Now they will play make believe in an attempt to distract again.
Looks like that hopey-changey went right down the drain.
--->whoosh--->
The cartoon brought home to me the question what would McCain have done? What would Palin do, if faced with those same problems all within a year and a half?
Compounding the very real problems is a 21st Century presidency having to deal with channel-changing, text-messaging, viral e-mailing, Twittering, self-appointed experts wanting instant gratification. McCain has a wicked temper and would be throwing tantrums. Palin's self-image is so great, she would have just quit.
If McCain had done nothing after entering office besides trying to assure confidence, he would have done better than the Big 0. He has thoroughly confused everyone, blown his chance fix things when handed a blank check and now is going to remove about 5% from the economy by allowing the "Bush Tax Cuts" to expire.
Luckily for his constituancy, which is largely out of work, the unemployed will not have to suffer by having their withholding increased.
Unluckily for his constituancy, as long as he in office, they will never find work again.
So, let's check the balance sheet. We are DOWN to 14.6 million unemployed. The stimulus is about a trillion, actually more, but let's use that number.
1 trillion divided by 14.6 million = $68,493. All of the unemployed could have recieved $68,493 so far. This would be a monthly benefit of $3,805. If you're unemployed and did not recieve $3,805 per month since the Big 0 took office, you're getting cheated.
Employment Situation Summary
6- The oil spill would still be just as bad. But McCain would've lifted the Jones Act and allowed all the foreign nations to help us instead of Obama refusing to lift it because it would hurt unions.
Why is the right wing still pushing that Jones act nonsense? It only applies to ships leaving from US ports and having a destination to a US port. There are 21 foreign ships involved in cleanup right now. Doesn't seem the Jones Act is keeping them away
And it only took Obama 2 months to approve their use, go figure.
--->whoosh--->
The cartoon brought home to me the question what would McCain have done? What would Palin do, if faced with those same problems all within a year and a half?
Compounding the very real problems is a 21st Century presidency having to deal with channel-changing, text-messaging, viral e-mailing, Twittering, self-appointed experts wanting instant gratification. McCain has a wicked temper and would be throwing tantrums. Palin's self-image is so great, she would have just quit.
If McCain had done nothing after entering office besides trying to assure confidence, he would have done better than the Big 0. He has thoroughly confused everyone, blown his chance fix things when handed a blank check and now is going to remove about 5% from the economy by allowing the "Bush Tax Cuts" to expire.
Luckily for his constituancy, which is largely out of work, the unemployed will not have to suffer by having their withholding increased.
Unluckily for his constituancy, as long as he in office, they will never find work again.
So, let's check the balance sheet. We are DOWN to 14.6 million unemployed. The stimulus is about a trillion, actually more, but let's use that number.
1 trillion divided by 14.6 million = $68,493. All of the unemployed could have recieved $68,493 so far. This would be a monthly benefit of $3,805. If you're unemployed and did not recieve $3,805 per month since the Big 0 took office, you're getting cheated.
Employment Situation Summary
Yeah, but did you notice how cool he is? And and and how awesome it is that he's black? And did you hear how awesome and fantastic his speeches sound? And he plays basketball, and, and, and he's so cool, and he's always on ESPN picking games, and, and, and he's just awesome, he's so much better than Bush and McCain, and you just listen to Glen Beck too much!
