100 residents to be selected for basic income pilot program in Cal city

[georgephillip]

Now if only that other poster who continually goes on about it would understand that and explain how it relates to the MW. You see, he's not honestly talking about employment, he's trying to include those who can work but choose not to with those who would work but cannot. His goal is a guaranteed universal income simply for existing, and he's employing verbal gymnastics to do it

It is difficult to imagine subsistence without work, yet that is what a universal basic income would mean to all citizens. If such a policy replaced the current hodgepodge of minimum wage laws, earned income tax credits, food stamps, housing assistance and all the rest of our current welfare state, all sorts of doors might open to replace traditional wage labor. If that sounds like paying people not to work, automation has already set that motion in progress.
Minimum Wages vs. Universal Basic Income | HuffPost

Wouldn’t Unconditional Basic Income Just Cause Massive Inflation?

Under Capitalism, "only fools and horses should Have to work"

Even fools and horses should think twice about working in finance capitalism:

Financial Capitalism v. Industrial Capitalism | Michael Hudson

"In America, emperors of finance and the real estate kings they enthroned were gaining the upper hand over captains of industry. Thorstein Veblen analyzed how pecuniary relations – its financial and monetary structure – distorted the economic system away from how it would be run rationally by engineers. In Germany, whose banking and industrial structures had become more closely integrated than was the case either in England or the United States, the socialist Rudolf Hilferding coined the term ‘finance capitalism’ in 1910."

 

[danielpalos]

California is raising our minimum wage to address cost of living issues.

 

[MindWars]

California is raising our minimum wage to address cost of living issues.

Oh that should work . out well . .

 

[hadit]

California is raising our minimum wage to address cost of living issues.

It won't effect you unless you have a job.

 

[Tax Man]

I do not pretend anything. I know people who moved there and are very happy. I also know the history of Stockton and how it went from a bustling import center to a barren wasteland. I have also worked there installing new foundations and concrete patios and walkways. You seem to want to find the worst in anything that doesn't fit your mold of republican and then chastise the shit out of it.

You tell yourself whatever you need to get along. I didn't make up that small and partial list of Stockton "accomplishments".
And I didn't imagine Stockton as the place where things were so bad some people there were getting money for nothing
(probably a small recompense just for living in Stocktown).
Enjoy your crime ridden, poverty struck shit hole. Let me know how socialism works out.

You are free to believe whatever you want. I would bet your next I believe is to have another beer.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

You are free to believe whatever you want. I would bet your next I believe is to have another beer.

My next what?

 

[georgephillip]

Some on the left are for equal protection of the law regarding the legal concept of employment at will. Solving for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment in a market friendly manner, promotes the general welfare of our economy and general prosperity.

How does a market controlled by those who own the means of production promote the general welfare when automation blurs the lines between the three types of unemployment?

Three Types of Unemployment: Cyclical, Frictional & Structural - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

why should it matter? Employment is at the will of either party. Some may choose to not work, but do something else. Only Capital Must circulate under Capitalism.

Capital's circulation is controlled by the financial forces of corporate globalism, leaving less and less room for national governments to shape the economic environment within which their labor and capital operate.

"This globalism emanates from the US, taking a centripetal form rather than spreading the wealth from rich center to the poor periphery."

Financial Capitalism v. Industrial Capitalism | Michael Hudson

 

[danielpalos]

Some on the left are for equal protection of the law regarding the legal concept of employment at will. Solving for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment in a market friendly manner, promotes the general welfare of our economy and general prosperity.

How does a market controlled by those who own the means of production promote the general welfare when automation blurs the lines between the three types of unemployment?

Three Types of Unemployment: Cyclical, Frictional & Structural - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

why should it matter? Employment is at the will of either party. Some may choose to not work, but do something else. Only Capital Must circulate under Capitalism.

Capital's circulation is controlled by the financial forces of corporate globalism, leaving less and less room for national governments to shape the economic environment within which their labor and capital operate.

"This globalism emanates from the US, taking a centripetal form rather than spreading the wealth from rich center to the poor periphery."

Financial Capitalism v. Industrial Capitalism | Michael Hudson

Compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment will act like an oil pump to ensure liquidity in our economy.

 

[Markle]

This will end up a failure just like Finland's program.

Just sayin' the totally obvious.

How can it be a failure? Its a study. The purpose is to gather information.

A study, which is a failure, is one that spends taxpayer money to confirm something which is already known.

For instance, paying people, to do nothing, will succeed beyond all expectations. Yep, if you pay someone to NOT work, they will do just that, NOT work.

Here's another "study" for you. Can you imagine? Someone PAID for this?
Martini-swilling spy James Bond is a ‘severe’ alcoholic, study says
By Tamar Lapin
December 10, 2018 | 10:14am
https://nypost.com/2018/12/10/martini-swilling-spy-james-bond-is-a-severe-alcoholic-study-says/

 

[georgephillip]

Some on the left are for equal protection of the law regarding the legal concept of employment at will. Solving for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment in a market friendly manner, promotes the general welfare of our economy and general prosperity.

How does a market controlled by those who own the means of production promote the general welfare when automation blurs the lines between the three types of unemployment?

Three Types of Unemployment: Cyclical, Frictional & Structural - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

why should it matter? Employment is at the will of either party. Some may choose to not work, but do something else. Only Capital Must circulate under Capitalism.

Capital's circulation is controlled by the financial forces of corporate globalism, leaving less and less room for national governments to shape the economic environment within which their labor and capital operate.

"This globalism emanates from the US, taking a centripetal form rather than spreading the wealth from rich center to the poor periphery."

Financial Capitalism v. Industrial Capitalism | Michael Hudson

Compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment will act like an oil pump to ensure liquidity in our economy.

Capitalism's greatest legacy?

Usury: The Root Cause of all Problems on the Planet – Debt Slavery – Central Banks, Wars, Assassinations

 

[danielpalos]

Some on the left are for equal protection of the law regarding the legal concept of employment at will. Solving for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment in a market friendly manner, promotes the general welfare of our economy and general prosperity.

How does a market controlled by those who own the means of production promote the general welfare when automation blurs the lines between the three types of unemployment?

Three Types of Unemployment: Cyclical, Frictional & Structural - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

why should it matter? Employment is at the will of either party. Some may choose to not work, but do something else. Only Capital Must circulate under Capitalism.

Capital's circulation is controlled by the financial forces of corporate globalism, leaving less and less room for national governments to shape the economic environment within which their labor and capital operate.

"This globalism emanates from the US, taking a centripetal form rather than spreading the wealth from rich center to the poor periphery."

Financial Capitalism v. Industrial Capitalism | Michael Hudson

Compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment will act like an oil pump to ensure liquidity in our economy.

Capitalism's greatest legacy?

Usury: The Root Cause of all Problems on the Planet – Debt Slavery – Central Banks, Wars, Assassinations

solving for simple poverty can ameliorate that.

 

[Markle]

Typical conservative tripe and failed playbook. When will you clowns realize you cant legislate human behavior? Thats why we have laws because you can tell people not to break them but human nature always comes into play.

Seems like you have it all reversed, don't you?

You want Medicare For All because your followers have no sense of personal responsibility and cannot care for themselves.

You want an insane minimum wage because your followers don't have enough personal responsibility to finish high school, get a job and work full time, wait until they're at least 21 to get married and have children after they get married.

You demand that women be able to obtain free abortions because your followers have no personal responsibility and should not be expected to practice safe sex.

At the same time, your followers don't believe someone who commits an atrocious, heinous murder (isn't that an abortion) should NOT be put to death under any circumstances because that's mean.

And the list goes on...and on...and on!

 

[Markle]

How does a market controlled by those who own the means of production promote the general welfare when automation blurs the lines between the three types of unemployment?

Three Types of Unemployment: Cyclical, Frictional & Structural - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

why should it matter? Employment is at the will of either party. Some may choose to not work, but do something else. Only Capital Must circulate under Capitalism.

Capital's circulation is controlled by the financial forces of corporate globalism, leaving less and less room for national governments to shape the economic environment within which their labor and capital operate.

"This globalism emanates from the US, taking a centripetal form rather than spreading the wealth from rich center to the poor periphery."

Financial Capitalism v. Industrial Capitalism | Michael Hudson

Compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment will act like an oil pump to ensure liquidity in our economy.

Capitalism's greatest legacy?

Usury: The Root Cause of all Problems on the Planet – Debt Slavery – Central Banks, Wars, Assassinations

solving for simple poverty can ameliorate that.

Poverty is impossible to eradicate. In our country, and most others, it is a mathematical calculation. Already our population below our poverty level are among the richest people in the world.

Further Resources on Poverty Measurement, Poverty Lines, and Their History

 

[MrShangles]

This is going to be interesting. This is just a trial to see what happens. This city is about 30 minutes from me and I applaud them trying out various things to reduce poverty and the stress it brings.

"A team of independent researchers will pick 100 people to receive the money. The purpose is to study how an extra $500 a month impacts people’s health and stress level. Researchers are also looking to see if people feel financially secure."

Is this being done with our tax dollars, who gets to pick the people, who picked that city, it’s already raising my stress level


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[Markle]

Ask Venezuela...they had wealth, then did things your way....now they have no food or toilet paper and government goon squads are murdering citizens......

Sadly, this is not surprising. Danielpalos and the Tax Man find it funny that people in Venezuela, victims of Socialism, have no food, toilet paper and scores of other necessities and that government goon squads are murdering citizens for demonstrating against the brutal government.

 

[MrShangles]

This will end up a failure just like Finland's program.

Just sayin' the totally obvious.

How can it be a failure? Its a study. The purpose is to gather information.

And the information will indicate that the program is a failure. What do you think the study is supposed to do? It's to test the efficacy of giving people free money. We have truckloads of empirical evidence already that doing so is an Epic Fail. Hence, I am quite confident in my prediction that this time things will not be different.

What do I think the study is supposed to do?

"The purpose is to study how an extra $500 a month impacts people’s health and stress level."

Theres no failure unless no one takes the money. Theres no success unless they get some data. Its an information gathering study.

Oh Jeebus. Fish in a barrel time.

It's not a success if people use the money to:
- Abuse drugs and/or alcohol
- Increase their lifestyle to a level which requires continuation of the free money in perpetuity
- Cut back on doing productive work so it is a $0 net cash flow impact
- Gamble it away
- Consume crap junk food like hot cheetohs

For starters.

While we work to supply the free money, so it ain’t for hard working folks I guess!


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[Marion Morrison]

This is going to be interesting. This is just a trial to see what happens. This city is about 30 minutes from me and I applaud them trying out various things to reduce poverty and the stress it brings.

"A team of independent researchers will pick 100 people to receive the money. The purpose is to study how an extra $500 a month impacts people’s health and stress level. Researchers are also looking to see if people feel financially secure."

If you want to reduce poverty, encourage teenagers to stop having babies without husbands and fathers, stay in highschool and get a diploma, don't get arrested, and get a job, any job...that is how you actually stop poverty.....then you cut taxes so businesses can hire those people....and you make sure the police can keep people safe.....you tell the democrats to stop letting violent criminals out of jail....

Compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment does that, not means testing for welfare.

Capitalism has a success rate....socialism has a mass murder rate....

lol. taking capital credit for our mixed market economy that is Commanded by Congress and the Fed?

STFU you drooling moron. You just want free money for an occasional trip to the washy washy to get your marbles off.

Make more money and something out of yourself, douchebag.

 

[Markle]

Stockton is not a shithole! It is far better than any city in georgia or alabama. I do live here and find your ignorance laughable.

Hmmm...this says you're wrong. Not surprising!

Crime in Stockton, California
Crime is ranked on a scale of 1 (low crime) to 100 (high crime)

Stockton violent crime is 92.0. (The US average is 31.1)
Stockton property crime is 63.9. (The US average is 38.1)
YOU SHOULD KNOW
Violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

Property crime includes the offenses of burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and arson. The object of the theft-type offenses is the taking of money or property, but there is no force or threat of force against the victims.

Stockton, California Crime

Crime in Montgomery, Alabama
Crime is ranked on a scale of 1 (low crime) to 100 (high crime)

Montgomery violent crime is 36.3. (The US average is 31.1)
Montgomery property crime is 65.0. (The US average is 38.1)

Montgomery, Alabama Crime

Crime in Augusta-Richmond County, Georgia
Crime is ranked on a scale of 1 (low crime) to 100 (high crime)

Augusta-Richmond County violent crime is 69.2. (The US average is 31.1)
Augusta-Richmond County property crime is 62.3. (The US average is 38.1)

Augusta-Richmond County, Georgia Crime

 

[Tax Man]

Stockton is not a shithole! It is far better than any city in georgia or alabama. I do live here and find your ignorance laughable.

Hmmm...this says you're wrong. Not surprising!

Crime in Stockton, California
Crime is ranked on a scale of 1 (low crime) to 100 (high crime)

Stockton violent crime is 92.0. (The US average is 31.1)
Stockton property crime is 63.9. (The US average is 38.1)
YOU SHOULD KNOW
Violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

Property crime includes the offenses of burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and arson. The object of the theft-type offenses is the taking of money or property, but there is no force or threat of force against the victims.

Stockton, California Crime

Crime in Montgomery, Alabama
Crime is ranked on a scale of 1 (low crime) to 100 (high crime)

Montgomery violent crime is 36.3. (The US average is 31.1)
Montgomery property crime is 65.0. (The US average is 38.1)

Montgomery, Alabama Crime

Crime in Augusta-Richmond County, Georgia
Crime is ranked on a scale of 1 (low crime) to 100 (high crime)

Augusta-Richmond County violent crime is 69.2. (The US average is 31.1)
Augusta-Richmond County property crime is 62.3. (The US average is 38.1)

Augusta-Richmond County, Georgia Crime

Foooodida is not much better. Shitholes all of em. Stockton is far better city than anything in the south.

 

[Markle]

It is difficult to imagine subsistence without work, yet that is what a universal basic income would mean to all citizens. If such a policy replaced the current hodgepodge of minimum wage laws, earned income tax credits, food stamps, housing assistance and all the rest of our current welfare state, all sorts of doors might open to replace traditional wage labor. If that sounds like paying people not to work, automation has already set that motion in progress.
Minimum Wages vs. Universal Basic Income | HuffPost

Wouldn’t Unconditional Basic Income Just Cause Massive Inflation?

Bogus, bogus, and bogus.

As you know, production has grown due not to the increased output of a person but the increased output due to the use of machines and now robots.

Not really much different from the washing machine and dryer (a clothesline) used in the '50s and '60s and the washing machine and dryer of today.