Fuhrer does not mean what you think it means. IT merely is leader.
Zelensky says no peace deal without Kyviv
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martybegan
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How can you betray something you have no obligation to?
Are you saying the US government is subservient to the Ukrainian government?
Mac-7
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Was that his final word?
He might get away with telling the obama/biden/harris junta to f@@k off
But not trump
Europe says that they will keep supporting Ukraine and will not allow Putin to keep any of his gains.
AlexanderPK
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You are not like that, of course. You're like the Ukies who, the moment they stop loving their corrupt rulers overthrow them right away and live happily after. Turns out though that they are like that only with the USAID or help from Soros. As soon as the money flow stops they are meak and obedient again as they are right now, hiding or running from the recruitment officers not daring to utter a word against the evil oppressor.
Let's not pretend you can even spell, "actual qnalysis" let alone define what that means.
You confuse cutting and pasting goofy videos with actual analysis.
No one is "betraying Ukraine". The US has no obligation to spend endless $ Billions of dollars on a nation rife with corruption.
The "cowardice and duplicity", among your favorite cut and paste slogans, belongs to keyboard cowards such as yourself sitting behind a keyboard as you pontificate about matters you don't understand.
No betrayal, internet wannabe. When did anyone in the US pledge to provide endless arms and money to the silly little comedianin Ukraine?
What is our excuse for ignorance and idiocy?
Mac-7
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Ok, thanks for sharing
I'm afraid the little fellow just cuts and pastes the slogans he steals from the Joy Reid show.
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Drunk again? Get sober and come later.
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". . . Meanwhile, there has been no narrowing of positions on either side. Moscow demands Kyiv cede more land and be rendered permanently neutral in any peace deal; Kyiv says Russian troops must withdraw and it must win security guarantees comparable to NATO membership to prevent future attacks.
Ukrainian officials have acknowledged in the past that full NATO membership may be out of reach in the short term, and that a hypothetical peace deal could leave some occupied land in Russian hands.
But Kyiv and its European allies made clear they were alarmed by what they viewed as the Trump administration conceding both those positions before talks began.
Ukraine's Foreign Minister Andrii Sybiha said Kyiv remained committed to joining NATO, which he said was the simplest and least expensive way the West could provide the security guarantees needed to ensure peace.
"All our allies have said the path of Ukraine towards NATO is irreversible. This prospect is in our constitution. It is in our strategic interest."
NATO's Secretary-General Mark Rutte, a former Dutch Prime Minister adept at smoothing over differences between Europe and Washington, said it was important that Moscow understand the West remained united, noting that Ukraine had never been promised that a peace deal would include alliance membership... . . "
"But Kyiv and its European allies made clear they were alarmed by what they viewed as the Trump administration conceding both those positions before talks began."
So the establishment is pissed off b/c Trump is just acknowledging the strategic realities on the ground?
Fine. Americans have had enough of the lying about this conflict.
Ukrainian officials have acknowledged in the past that full NATO membership may be out of reach in the short term, and that a hypothetical peace deal could leave some occupied land in Russian hands.
But Kyiv and its European allies made clear they were alarmed by what they viewed as the Trump administration conceding both those positions before talks began.
Ukraine's Foreign Minister Andrii Sybiha said Kyiv remained committed to joining NATO, which he said was the simplest and least expensive way the West could provide the security guarantees needed to ensure peace.
"All our allies have said the path of Ukraine towards NATO is irreversible. This prospect is in our constitution. It is in our strategic interest."
NATO's Secretary-General Mark Rutte, a former Dutch Prime Minister adept at smoothing over differences between Europe and Washington, said it was important that Moscow understand the West remained united, noting that Ukraine had never been promised that a peace deal would include alliance membership... . . "
"But Kyiv and its European allies made clear they were alarmed by what they viewed as the Trump administration conceding both those positions before talks began."
So the establishment is pissed off b/c Trump is just acknowledging the strategic realities on the ground?
Fine. Americans have had enough of the lying about this conflict.
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That will probably take 2-3 more years until Ukraine finally breaks.
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Not if the spigot from American tax payers ends.
. . I mean, sure, Ukraine can attempt to continue their doomed crusade to keep territory populated by ethnic Russians, but the reality? When conflict starts, the political settlement is determined by the folks that hold the cards.
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Not if the spigot from American tax payers ends.
. . I mean, sure, Ukraine can attempt to continue their doomed crusade to keep territory populated by ethnic Russians, but the reality? When conflict starts, the political settlement is determined by the folks that hold the cards.
What Clausewitz also says about this situation is you won't get a true peace at this point, because the cause of the conflict won't be resolved.
You are going to get the end of WWI, or the Korean war Armistice, not the end of WWII.
You need to face reality. The Ukrainians had one chance to turn things toward their advantage. That was their counter-offensive, it failed, miserably. That was the time to cut their losses. All that's left is the inevitable grind of the Russian advance. You offer nothing to back your silly assertions, one need only look at the map to see the truth.
Maps of the world change all the time. Especially so after WW1 and WW2 across the Euro continent.
Good luck to them. Just remember the Europeans couldn't handle Kosovo without us. I wouldn't get your hopes too high.
I try to catch the first 10 minutes of the view to be alerted to the whining from Democrats. I never watch Joy Reid with few exceptions on YouTube.
Yep. A war of attrition and the Ruskies have an advantage.
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