Zelensky says no peace deal without Kyviv

[justoffal]

Wrong.
NATO has always been the bad guys.
NATO is just a new name for the Colonial Imperialists, the French, British, and the US replaced Spain after the Spanish American war.
WWI for example, was entirely caused by the Allies, who not only illegally assassinated Archduke Ferdinand and his wife, but then the French illegally invaded Southern Germany.

The Germans were illegally forced to surrender in WWI even though they still won the battlefield, by illegally sinking civilian food ships and starving the Germany population, in violation of the Geneva Conventions.

They the Treaty of Versailles was totally criminal, stealing over half of Germany, all their colonies, shipping, etc.

The "aggression" is the bribes by the US to the ethnic Polish generals in Kyiv, to steal the Ukraine from Russia.
The Ukraine historically has always been the heart of Russia, with Kyiv being the capital of Russia from 900 AD to 1200 AD when it had to be moved to Moscow in order to avoid the Mongol invasion.

The Ukraine has always been inside the Russian defense grid, so there is no way Russia can ever allow the Ukraine to join NATO, and illegally place a nuclear first strike force inside of Russian defenses.
The violator is entirely the Ukraine and the US, not Russia.
Russia happens to be the "good guys" in this case.

Good to see an accurate history for a change

 

[martybegan]

False.
The only Ukrainians who do not claim to be Russian are the defeated descendants of the failed Polish invasion of 1700.
No ethnic Russians moved into the Ukraine before or after WWII.
The Ukraine has always been ethnic Russian since 900 AD.

Bullshit.

 

[Rigby5]

The American Revolution was one aristocracy revolting against another.

The Russians are not a free republic, and you forget that non-democratic Soviet Union phase they went through.

I disagree.
Russia has always been about the most free republic in the entire history of the world.
A republic does not have to be "democratic", and the anti-Bolshevik propaganda in the US was what forced Stalinism onto the Soviet Union.

 

[Rigby5]

Part of the Russian empire maybe, but nor Russia.

You think the same of the Baltic States?

You are totally wrong on this.
In 900 AD, the capital of Russia was in Kyiv.
The Ukraine has always been ethnic Russian from the beginning.

The ethnic Polish in Kyiv now, are the descendants of the defeated invasion by the Polish empire around 1700.
The Polish empire was so evil, all of Europe joined in against it and defeated it.
The Baltic states were part of the evil Polish empire.

 

[martybegan]

I disagree.
Russia has always been about the most free republic in the entire history of the world.
A republic does not have to be "democratic", and the anti-Bolshevik propaganda in the US was what forced Stalinism onto the Soviet Union.

This type of revisionism makes me want to vomit.

 

[Rigby5]

Bullshit.

Wrong.

{...
Russian leader Vladimir Putin, for example, has stated that Ukrainians and Russians are “one people” and that Ukraine isn’t a real state, an echo of when earlier generations of Russians referred to Ukraine as “Little Russia.” Yet many Ukrainians vehemently disagree with these characterizations, pointing to their country’s distinct language, culture, traditions and shared civic principles.

“A lot of really important history that Putin and Russian nationalists see as their ancestry happened in Ukraine,” says Stephen Brain, an associate professor at Mississippi State University, who specializes in Russian history. He adds that “for very long periods” Russia and Ukraine were “part of the same state.”
...}
{...
1037: Kievan Rus - Construction of Saint-Sophia Cathedral in Kiev, which, in refurbished form, still stands today, marks a high point of the Kievan Rus principality. Purportedly founded by Vikings in the 9th century, Kievan Rus grew to encompass present-day Ukraine, Belarus and part of Russia. As historian Anna Reid writes, it constituted “the eastern Slavs’ first great civilization,” and at the time was the “largest kingdom in Europe.”

Modern Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians all trace their heritage to Kievan Rus, leading to fierce, unanswerable debates about whether “Ukraine was once part of Russia, or Russia once part of Ukraine,” says Yoshiko Herrera, a professor of political science at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and an expert on Russian and post-Soviet politics.
...}

 

[MisterBeale]

HUGE WIN: Trump ENDING Ukraine War, Will Arrange DEAL Between Putin and Zelensky!-Robby Soave​

7 hours ago

 

[0311]

Who the **** are you? Must be some European scumbag fighting for democracy all over the universe, right? Too degenerate to be an American. Europeans are levels higher in that respect.

NO, I am a proud and loud American who unlike your Shit Gibbon, Russian Loving asshole fought my tor my country in Viet Nam. Nor have I cheated on my wife or grabbed a Woman by the *****. You're just in long line mouth breathing, knuckle dragging assholes who think the color of their skin or believing some non-existent Sky Man make them special. You hero worship the Communist Putin and for reason alone I despise you.

 

[TimFitz]

We have multiple assholes in this thread, you included, yet you are the one complaining, how come?

I’ll take that as a confirmation.

 

[Mac-7]

The Ukraine was a US puppet since the Maidan Coup of 2014, and Russia clearly is going to win back the entire country.

I dont think so

 

[AlexanderPK]

Because you said so?

Still singing Putin’s song?

Trumpster are a disgrace to the United States and everything we stand for in the world.

You sound a bit cheeky, don't you? Trump won, remember? That must mean that you are a pathetic minority of faggoty losers. What you stand for is 70 genders and a separate bathroom for every creep, but you lost there too. I heard Trump banned them as well.

 

[Rigby5]

This type of revisionism makes me want to vomit.

Wrong again.
You simply are ignoring the capitalist corruption systemic to the theft of North American by the colonial imperialist Europeans.
They murder 90% of the natives and steal the entire continent, and then claim to be a "republic".
The US is totally fake.

 

[rightwinger]

Wrong.
NATO has always been the bad guys.
NATO is just a new name for the Colonial Imperialists, the French, British, and the US replaced Spain after the Spanish American war.
WWI for example, was entirely caused by the Allies, who not only illegally assassinated Archduke Ferdinand and his wife, but then the French illegally invaded Southern Germany.

The Germans were illegally forced to surrender in WWI even though they still won the battlefield, by illegally sinking civilian food ships and starving the Germany population, in violation of the Geneva Conventions.

They the Treaty of Versailles was totally criminal, stealing over half of Germany, all their colonies, shipping, etc.

The "aggression" is the bribes by the US to the ethnic Polish generals in Kyiv, to steal the Ukraine from Russia.
The Ukraine historically has always been the heart of Russia, with Kyiv being the capital of Russia from 900 AD to 1200 AD when it had to be moved to Moscow in order to avoid the Mongol invasion.

The Ukraine has always been inside the Russian defense grid, so there is no way Russia can ever allow the Ukraine to join NATO, and illegally place a nuclear first strike force inside of Russian defenses.
The violator is entirely the Ukraine and the US, not Russia.
Russia happens to be the "good guys" in this case.

Ukraine needs NATO to protect them from the Russian savages

 

[0311]

You must be ecstatic over Trump’s duplicity.

After all, Trump told Putin he could keep his gains and that Trump would make sure that the rest of Ukrsinevwas prevented from rearming or rebuilding until your bosses have time to replenish their army and invade the rest of the country.

Does Felon47 know how many German Divisions the Ukranian Partisans tied up in WWII. Divisions needed not only on the Russian Front, but in France and Italy. Ukrainians have a history of hard fighting and unforgiving and I do not see that ending.

 

[Rigby5]

I dont think so

What is the alternative?
You really think Russia is going to let us put NATO nukes on their border, so we can do a successful first strike?
The whole US would be turned into a glowing pile of glass before they could ever let that happen.

 

[rightwinger]

I disagree.
Russia was never fighting the Ukraine.
It has always been the latest US weapons Russia had to take on.
Russia has been handicapped by these US weapons, so that it can't use planes, helicopters, ships, or missiles.
So Russia has been forced to fight almost entirely with tanks, which slowed down the whole war incredibly.

Russian tanks are garbage

 

[martybegan]

Wrong again.
You simply are ignoring the capitalist corruption systemic to the theft of North American by the colonial imperialist Europeans.
They murder 90% of the natives and steal the entire continent, and then claim to be a "republic".
The US is totally fake.

 

[Rigby5]

Ukraine needs NATO to protect them from the Russian savages

Wrong.
First of all, the native Ukrainians are all ethnic Russians.
Second is that the "savages" are the ethnic Polish, who are the Cimmerians and Scythians who moved west to escape the Asian Turks, Cossacks, Tatars, Mongols, Moghuls, etc.
It is the ethnic Polish who are racist and fascist, and ran Hitler's death camps for him.
It is the ethnic Polish who are ancestors of Vlad the Impaler.

 

[Rigby5]

Does Felon47 know how many German Divisions the Ukranian Partisans tied up in WWII. Divisions needed not only on the Russian Front, but in France and Italy. Ukrainians have a history of hard fighting and unforgiving and I do not see that ending.

Wrong.
The ethnic Russian Ukrainians fought against the Germans in WWII, but the ethnic Polish who now control Kyiv, allied with the Nazis in WWII. They ran Hitler's death camps for him.

 

[AlexanderPK]

NO, I am a proud and loud American who unlike your Shit Gibbon, Russian Loving asshole fought my tor my country in Viet Nam. Nor have I cheated on my wife or grabbed a Woman by the *****. You're just in long line mouth breathing, knuckle dragging assholes who think the color of their skin or believing some non-existent Sky Man make them special. You hero worship the Communist Putin and for reason alone I despise you.

Silly me, how could I forget an asshole of your magnitude. Somehow your grammar is seemingly not in line with the standards, hence my bad mistaking you for an EU degenerate. Sorry.