Zelensky says no peace deal without Kyviv

[TimFitz]

It isn't the possession of the U.S. or anyone in Europe.

What don't you get? That area is controlled by Russia.


You can't, "give away," something you do not possess.


Please don't tell me you are really this stoopid?



Likewise, it matters very little what I think, (though your mischaracterization of my position? Says more about you than me TBH.)

There are practical realities on the ground you just refuse to acknowledge.

you are trying to move the goalposts by belaboring the fact that Ukraine isn’t ours.

Russia can occupy it

But that occupation will either be peacefully or with constant attacks

If they want it peacefully, Ukraine needs some sort of consideration

History suggests the former.

Few Americans realize that parts of WWII ground on afterv1945.

Ukranian partisans rose up against ther Russian liberators the instant the Nazis capitulated. The ensuing war went on into 1948.

The Red Army had to overcome them in 1919 too.

Trump may want to give away part of Ukraine for ‘peace’, but peace is not going to happen. Certainly not on Putin and Trump’s terms.

 

[Robert W]

Afghanistan: Who Originally Supported Trump's Deal with The Taliban?

https://www.bbc.com/news/58271943..

The deal - secured by Donald Trump and signed in Doha, Qatar, in February 2020 - committed to the withdrawal of US and allied (including British) troops from Afghanistan by May 2021.

In the same deal were broad obligations on the Taliban to take steps to prevent groups including al-Qaeda from threatening the security of the US and its allies.

After his election, US President Joe Biden continued the plan for withdrawal but with an end date of 31 August.

Felon47 inked this deal in February of 2020. Mr. Biden did not assume office until Jan. 21, 2021. Saying that NOT true does NOT change fact that is true.

Now it is Biden's turn to be prosecuted.

 

[TimFitz]

Biden was little help to Zelensky. Don't keep lying, pull an actual quote of Zelensky saying what you said. You are against Americans. So what?

Mainly because of constant Republican opposition, with Trump behind it.

 

[TimFitz]

Wrong, while that has been the liberal fantasy from the start, you have continually ignored the reality on the ground. There will be no insurgency.

you’re ignoring history,

 

[TimFitz]

The Russians already have most of what they want to take.

How can you "give away" something that isn't possessed?

Trump offers to make it official. Never asked Zelinsky, Trump gave away the store before there even were negotiations.

BTW, this is a characteristic of Trump, when he’s sucking up to people he fears.

 

[rightwinger]

Biden was little help to Zelensky. Don't keep lying, pull an actual quote of Zelensky saying what you said. You are against Americans. So what?

You mean F-16s, MLRS, drones were no help?

 

[Rogue AI]

The reality on the ground is stalemate
Russia is suffering significant casualties and losing tanks, helicopters, aircraft that it can’t replace.

Ukraine can keep attacking or walk away and let Russia have Donbass

What does Russia have to offer in return?

No stalemate is going on. Russia has been steadily advancing for months, your liberal news outlets don't tell you that.

Russia's war production has signifantly increased. To the level the Europeans are worried they could be invaded within a few short years. You are woefully misinformed.

You'll be tossing Zelensky under the bus soon enough. Shortly after your Eurotrash heroes. Fortunately you will never have to accept all the lies you've been fed, so your quasi sanity should remain mostly intact.

 

[TimFitz]

Why the **** do I have to respect the bastards. I despise them all. Call them Hohols if you want but it won't change their murky essence.

Their “murky essence”?

But you have no trouble with aputin. You’re singing his song.

 

[TimFitz]

No stalemate is going on. Russia has been steadily advancing for months, your liberal news outlets don't tell you that.

Russia's war production has signifantly increased. To the level the Europeans are worried they could be invaded within a few short years. You are woefully misinformed.

You'll be tossing Zelensky under the bus soon enough. Shortly after your Eurotrash heroes. Fortunately you will never have to accept all the lies you've been fed, so your quasi sanity should remain mostly intact.

Got it. Now tell your bosses in the troll farm how great you are.

 

[0311]

The reality on the ground is stalemate
Russia is suffering significant casualties and losing tanks, helicopters, aircraft that it can’t replace.

Ukraine can keep attacking or walk away and let Russia have Donbass

What does Russia have to offer in return?

Pooty had to empty his prisons to suckers dumb enough believe his brand of bullshit. Fight one year in Ukraine and you will be set free. Not many live long enough to get that freedom. Ukraine has fought the one vaunted Russian to a standstill. For years Russian boasted of the might of their army and they have had their collective asses handed to them on a gold-plated Latium Platter. What was to an easy three-week war has turned into a meat grinder for Russia.

 

[rightwinger]

No stalemate is going on. Russia has been steadily advancing for months, your liberal news outlets don't tell you that.

Russia's war production has signifantly increased. To the level the Europeans are worried they could be invaded within a few short years. You are woefully misinformed.

You'll be tossing Zelensky under the bus soon enough. Shortly after your Eurotrash heroes. Fortunately you will never have to accept all the lies you've been fed, so your quasi sanity should remain mostly intact.

Putin had his chance to conquer Ukraine three years ago.
He blew it

He no longer has the tanks, artillery or air superiority or logistics to capture Ukraine

 

[0311]

their murky essence.

Explain. Try to use full sentences and remember there those who are smarter on board than you are.

 

[Scoutster]

Ukraine is not winning or on the offensive anymore. By and large. This is a good read, they are running out of experienced troops.

As Trump talks of ending war, Ukraine losing ground to Russia

 

[martybegan]

Trump offers to make it official. Never asked Zelinsky, Trump gave away the store before there even were negotiations.

BTW, this is a characteristic of Trump, when he’s sucking up to people he fears.

Trump never said he would exclude Ukraine from the talks, please point out where he said that.

 

[0311]

Ukraine is not winning or on the offensive anymore. By and large. This is a good read, they are running out of experienced troops.

As Trump talks of ending war, Ukraine losing ground to Russia

I see you very sadly miss informed. Ukraine has fought the Russian Army for three years and has bled it white in the process.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No stalemate is going on. Russia has been steadily advancing for months, your liberal news outlets don't tell you that.

Because that's a lie. That's why only the news sources designed to fool white wing rubes and to spread russian propaganda say that.

 

[martybegan]

I see you very sadly miss informed. Ukraine has fought the Russian Army for three years and has bled it white in the process.

And yet the Russians slowly still gain ground, and they have far more people to bleed out than Ukraine does.

 

[Rogue AI]

you’re ignoring history,

Hardly, any insurgent actions would likely result in a disproportionate Russian response to Ukrainian infrastructure. The costs to the Ukraine would never be worth the gains of some petty attack.

 

[Scoutster]

I see you very sadly miss informed. Ukraine has fought the Russian Army for three years and has bled it white in the process.

So PBS is a lying right wing new source? Read the article dumbass.

 

[0311]

Because that's a lie. That's why only the news sources designed to fool white wing rubes and to spread russian propaganda say that.

Yes, very true, but they prefer to believe the lies they are told.