Zelensky says no peace deal without Kyviv

[rightwinger]

No he isn't.


I already told you, he is just recognizing reality. The part that will go to Russia?


Is not currently under control of Ukraine, and can't conceivably won back w/o the west entering a global war with Russia.



Sorry, most sane folks in the west KNOW, that can't happen.

Russia can occupy it

But that occupation will either be peacefully or with constant attacks

If they want it peacefully, Ukraine needs some sort of consideration

 

[MisterBeale]

Yes, he is trying to give away a large part of Ukraine.

And you endorse the betrayal. got it.

It isn't the possession of the U.S. or anyone in Europe.

What don't you get? That area is controlled by Russia.


You can't, "give away," something you do not possess.


Please don't tell me you are really this stoopid?



Likewise, it matters very little what I think, (though your mischaracterization of my position? Says more about you than me TBH.)

There are practical realities on the ground you just refuse to acknowledge.

 

[TimFitz]

That isn't what's happening, that is your sick and twisted interpretation. Try harder.

Really? Evidently you slept through the last ten years.

Trmp has consistantly supported Putin..

He endorsed the Russian invasion. He still does.

Now, before any negotiation even begins, he offers Moscow all it wants, wot talking to Ukraine at all.

That is exactly what is happening.

 

[TimFitz]

It sounds contemptuous as it's meant to.

Condescending right wing jingoism.

 

[MisterBeale]

If they want it peacefully, Ukraine needs some sort of consideration

I've looked into the data.

While the west makes the claims that the elections that were held in Crimea and the Donbas were not legit, the real information on that data?


Is where a majority of those who lived there fled;

How Many Ukrainians Have Been Forcibly Transferred to Russia? – The Daily Sceptic

According to the UN, 2.85 million Ukrainians refugees are residing in Russia, more than in any other country. However, this number cannot be taken at face value, due to allegations of forced population transfers.

dailysceptic.org

 

[Hollie]

Really? Evidently you slept through the last ten years.

Trmp has consistantly supported Putin..

He endorsed the Russian invasion. He still does.

Now, before any negotiation even begins, he offers Moscow all it wants, wot talking to Ukraine at all.

That is exactly what is happening.

That is what is happening in your world of conspiracy theories.

 

[TimFitz]

It isn't the possession of the U.S. or anyone in Europe.

What don't you get? That area is controlled by Russia.


You can't, "give away," something you do not possess.


Please don't tell me you are really this stoopid?



Likewise, it matters very little what I think, (though your mischaracterization of my position? Says more about you than me TBH.)

There are practical realities on the ground you just refuse to acknowledge.

The “practical realities on the ground”care that the war is in stalemate.

Russia is bleeding but not winning.

If this administration were run by a competent leader, we would be doing what every President since Roosevelt has done, support people fighting for their freedom.

Whether aukraine has to give u- territory is their decision to make.

Not Trump’s.

Neville Chamberlain didn’t control the Sudetenland either. But he gave it away.

Just as Trump is doing for Putin.

 

[TimFitz]

That is what is happening in your world of conspiracy theories.

You have nothing to say,

You can’t defend Trump.

So you trot out the “conspiracy theory” label as a substitute for your failure to make any sort of intelligent point.

So, let’s look at some.

Has Teump always bowed down before Putin? you claim that is a “conspiracy theory”.

Trump sides with Putin over U.S. intelligence during remarkable press conference in Helsinki

"I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today"

www.cbsnews.com

Analysis: Trump sides with Putin as Biden tries to stop a war

It took only 24 hours for Donald Trump to hail Russian President Vladimir Putin's dismembering of independent, democratic, sovereign Ukraine as an act of "genius."

www.cnn.com

Five times Donald Trump looked to side with Russia against the US

Former president’s statements about Russia and Putin often clash with those of US officials

www.the-independent.com

Did Trump support the Russian invasion of Ukraine? you called that a conspiracy theory too.

BTW, the Russians are thrilled by your devotion to your fuhrer’s duplicity.

Trump calls Putin 'genius' and 'savvy' for Ukraine invasion

The former president's praise for Putin comes at a perilous geopolitical moment in Europe.

www.politico.com

Trump Calls Putin’s Invasion of Ukraine Smart, Blames Biden for Not Doing Enough

Former President Donald Trump called Russian President Vladimir Putin smart and criticized the U.S. response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. “I mean, he’s taking over a country for $2 worth of sanctions. I’d say that’s pretty smart,” Mr. Trump said during a fundraiser at his Mar-a-Lago resort in F

www.wsj.com

So, there you are. Left with your pathetic little labels, and your even more pathetic endorsement of Trump’s duplicity.

 

[MisterBeale]

The “practical realities on the ground”care that the war is in stalemate.

Russia is bleeding but not winning.

If this administration were run by a competent leader, we would be doing what every President since Roosevelt has done, support people fighting for their freedom.

Whether aukraine has to give u- territory is their decision to make.

Not Trump’s.

Neville Chamberlain didn’t control the Sudetenland either. But he gave it away.

Just as Trump is doing for Putin.

O.K.

I see the problem here.

You still bleev western war propaganda.





I don't think we can communicate, because you are using false data and false narratives.


You are one of these folks that tell us Russia is losing in Ukraine, yet at the same time maintains that the west needs to keep up that fight, b/c if Ukraine loses? The rest of Europe is next!

 

[Hollie]

You have nothing to say,

You can’t defend Trump.

And you may actually be ashamed of his cowardice (although you’re too busy worshiping him to do that).

So you dismiss the basic facts as “conspiracy theories”. (hwhich you can’t argue or refute).

You have nothing to contribute except conspiracy theories. Your basic "phacts" are laughable jokes.

 

[AlexanderPK]

Who the **** are, "the Ukies"? Your blatant disrespect for the Ukrainian People and the war they are fighting to their democracy is beyond disgusting.

Why the **** do I have to respect the bastards. I despise them all. Call them Hohols if you want but it won't change their murky essence.

 

[martybegan]

Trump is trying to give away a large part of Ukraine and make sure that the remainder is weak enough that the Russians will have less trouble overrunning it next time.

Apparantly you have been asleep somewhere.

The Russians already have most of what they want to take.

How can you "give away" something that isn't possessed?

 

[0311]

The late President Ronald Reagan was one of biggest anti-Communist/anti Russia of the 20th. Century. Now his once great Republican Party has now become a cult who embraces the Russian Communist Dictator Putin.

 

[Rogue AI]

Russia can occupy it

But that occupation will either be peacefully or with constant attacks

If they want it peacefully, Ukraine needs some sort of consideration

Wrong, while that has been the liberal fantasy from the start, you have continually ignored the reality on the ground. There will be no insurgency.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

https://www.reuters.com/world/eu-warns-against-dirty-deal-ukraine-after-trump-putin-phone-call-2025-02-13/

Sorry. Z...Putin has his tool in charge now. trump is going to throw you under the bus so that he can look good. trump cannot be trusted. He is a criminal.

I see the fat rapist showed his hand to Putin on television.

The master deal maker.

Fkn moron.

 

[Rogue AI]

The late President Ronald Reagan was one biggest anti-communist/anti Russia of the 20th. Century. Now his once great Republican Party has now become a cult who embraces the Russian Communist Dictator Putin.

Anti-communist is not the same as anti-Russian. You relics need to accept the Cold War is over. Grow up and move on.

 

[0311]

Why the **** do I have to respect the bastards. I despise them all. Call them Hohols if you want but it won't change their murky essence.

Such a good little MAGA MAGGOT The Ukrainians are a Free and Democratic People, fighting to save their Democracy. But I understand, as MAGA MAGGOT LEMMING you hate American Democracy and to see it destroyed as well. **** off MAGA MAGGOT!

 

[rightwinger]

Wrong, while that has been the liberal fantasy from the start, you have continually ignored the reality on the ground. There will be no insurgency.

The reality on the ground is stalemate
Russia is suffering significant casualties and losing tanks, helicopters, aircraft that it can’t replace.

Ukraine can keep attacking or walk away and let Russia have Donbass

What does Russia have to offer in return?

 

[Rogue AI]

Such a good little MAGA MAGGOT The Ukrainians are a Free and Democratic People, fighting to save their Democracy. But I understand, as MAGA MAGGOT LEMMING you hate American Democracy and to see it destroyed as well. **** off MAGA MAGGOT!

So free they are denied elections, political opposition, or religious freedoms. That's the envy of every scumbag liberal in the West. How pathetic.

 

[Robert W]

None the less, Zelinsky just told your beloved fuhrer to pound sand.

Zelinsky IS a leader. Trump is a petty sniveling little coward.

Biden was little help to Zelensky. Don't keep lying, pull an actual quote of Zelensky saying what you said. You are against Americans. So what?