Zelenski Says Trump Can't Make Him Negotiate With Russia....Practically Admitting He's Not Trying To End It

[Deadstick]

Its pretty clear that nobody will allow Ukraine to develop actual nuclear bomb. More likely,it will be one of nuclear states to give them some of their own nukes. May be, it will be a symbolic agony move of Biden (just to throw a hot potato to Trump), but more likely (IMHO) it will be France.

Well the breaking news here in the UK is that loco Joe has already thrown a hot spud at Trump, it's been reported that loco joe has given a green light for Ukraine to use long range missiles to hit Russia, in other words he just declared war on Russia, Trump has any sense he has to step in right now and stop this suicide, he should be on the phone to Putin and Zelensky, Biden is a maniac and probably not in control of his brain, i can't talk for the lunatics in the deep state.

 

[ESay]

Uh-huh. And tell us about Sudzha? And why going on three years later, Russia has been pushed back quite a bit, and lost a significant amount of not only their military hardware, but their fleet.

Losing your fleet to a nation that does not even have a navy, ouch.

Sudzha is a small county capital in Russia not far away from Ukrainian border. Holding Sudzha (yet) isn't going to bring Ukraine anything.

Russia been pushed back? What the hell are you talking about? Selidovo, Kurahovo, Ugledar, Torezk. Have you heard about any of them? Or Sudzha is the only one your propaganda tells you about?

 

[beagle9]

I see. So you favor one nation attacking another and annexing their land?

The UN has stated multiple times that is not acceptable.

Without the truthful transparent details as to why the war escalated from 2000 forward, then it's not going to be seen by smart people as being somehow that someone just decided on a whim that they wanted war with another nation for something as simple as annexation, and worse without good reason to boot.

Is it as simple as that ?

Hard to believe that Russia just decided to go to war with another without good reason, but I could definitely be wrong on that.

 

[Mushroom]

Was the independence of Texas recognised by UN?

Uh, it happened in 1835, over a century before the UN even existed.

Did the UN recognize the independence of Ukraine?

sits back and smiles

 

[alang1216]

Putin, of course. And, what is more important, Russian people.

I note you don't mention the Ukrainian people outside of the Russian controlled areas.

And was it UN who determined that American Revolutionary War was free and fair?

There were no counter-revolutionaries willing to take up arms afterwards. Unlike the White Russians.

 

[Mushroom]

Russia been pushed back? What the hell are you talking about?

 

[beagle9]

Now what ? According to the associated press, Biden authorizes long range missile use by Ukraine into Russia ?

Getting sketchier and sketchier. Is Biden trying to give one last hev-hoe before he leaves office disgraced and shamed ? Scary stuff going on with these Democrat's and their failed leadership that unfortunately still has power to some extent.

 

[Deadstick]

Now what ? According to the associated press, Biden authorizes long range missile use by Ukraine into Russia ?

Getting sketchier and sketchier. Is Biden trying to give one last hev-hoe before he leaves office disgraced and shamed ? Scary stuff going on with these Democrat's and their failed leadership that unfortunately still has power to some extent.

 

[sparky]

No. The word "Ukraine" - "Ukraina/Okraina" in Slavic languages, from the word "Krai" ("margin", "periphery") just means "Borderland" (often unspecific "periphery", like Krasnodarkiy krai). As a term for designation of the specific (Ukrainian) territory it was used by in Polish language and meant Russian territories (with Russian population) occupied by Poland.
Russia had started to return those lands (and liberate its Russian population) since 17th century. So, the word Ukraina in some way can be translated also, as a "frontier". "Wild West" with Turks, Poles, Swedes, Germans and other Western Barbarians as some sort of "Indians", Cossacks as Cowboys and Regular Russian Army as US Cavalry. Very rude analogy, but, I hope, understandable.

Let me ask you this Zav

How do the Russian folks view Mr Z ?

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Позвольте мне спросить вас об этом, ЗавКак россияне относятся к г-ну Z?

~S~

 

[beagle9]

Exactly what I was wondering on a lot of this stuff. Will Trump be convinced to appease the deep state, and therefore go along to get along ? We shall soon see if he has been compromised by the leftist cabal, otherwise who had set out to either destroy him or to try and control him with constant threats of judicial prosecutions without cease and etc.

Trump needs to break free completely from the deep state, and he needs to turn to then prosecute the enemies that not only tried to destroy him, but actually tried to have him killed.

 

[AZrailwhale]

No thanks, I don't want turning Ukraine into another Vietnam.

It just might be for the Russians. As long as Ukrainian morale and western support hold out, Russia can’t win. Eventually their flimsily economy will fold, or there will be a coup to overthrow Putin.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Was the independence of Texas recognised by UN? I guess no. As well as UN didn't recognise independence of Kosovo, South Ossetia or Donbass (which also was an independent nation for 8 years).


Actually, there are plenty of similarities between Texas Revolution+American-Mexican war and "Russian spring+Russian-Ukrainian war".

Idiot, there was no UN back then.

 

[Zavulon]

Idiot, there was no UN back then.

Yes. That is exactly what I want to say. The "right for rebellion" is one of the basic human rights. It's much older than UN. And no, UN doesn't effectively exist (as internationally recognised obligatory force) since 1999 and 2003 - American illegal and unprovoked aggresions against Serbia and Iraq.
It were Americans who started the game "Might is right". Now lets play this game until the new mutually acceptable world order is established.

 

[Zavulon]

It just might be for the Russians. As long as Ukrainian morale and western support hold out, Russia can’t win. Eventually their flimsily economy will fold, or there will be a coup to overthrow Putin.

Ukraine is not "Russian Vietnam". Ukraine is Russian California. In Vietnam Americans didn't see the difference between South and North Vietnamese. In Ukraine Russians do see the difference between Russian Vatniks and Ukrainian Nazies. Independence of Vietnam is not a big deal for Americans. But Chinese troops and Russian missiles in California would be a real problem for all Americans. Here is the difference in motivation.

 

[Zavulon]

Let me ask you this Zav

It's Zeb (from Zebulun) in English.

How do the Russian folks view Mr Z ?

Do you mean toys? I dunno. I'm not in collecting toys, neither are most children of my friends. I believe "A book is the best present".

 

[sparky]

It's Zeb (from Zebulun) in English.


Do you mean toys? I dunno. I'm not in collecting toys, neither are most children of my friends. I believe "A book is the best present".

No Zeb.....

i am curious as to what the average Russian thinks of this man>>>

~S~

 

[Zavulon]

I note you don't mention the Ukrainian people outside of the Russian controlled areas.

Yeah. Do you mean, that opinion of people controlled by cruel SBU (daughter of KGB), augmented by western intelligence support can be really counted? Anyway, Russia give them all fair choice - to live in Russia or to leave to Canada.

There were no counter-revolutionaries willing to take up arms afterwards. Unlike the White Russians.

There were. First of all, there was Donbass rebellion. But after Odessa Massacre and terror campaigns in Kharkov and Dniepropetrovsk some of Vatniks left Ukraine, and other hide themselves in underground (supporting further Russian invasion with intelligence and sabotage).

 

[GLASNOST]

"Zelenski Says Trump Can't Make Him Negotiate With Russia....Practically Admitting He's Not Trying To End It"​

Ain't that a joke! As "an independent country" he doesn't want Trump to advise him but how dependent is his country considering that it's MIC-controld Biden who won't let him negotiate with Russia? I don't think there is a single word out of Zoolinsky's or Biden's mouth that is not scripted by the MIC.

 

[ESay]

It just might be for the Russians. As long as Ukrainian morale and western support hold out, Russia can’t win. Eventually their flimsily economy will fold, or there will be a coup to overthrow Putin.

That is just babbling. I keep hearing about their economy since 2014. Enough. This war should have been stopped in 2022.

 

[Zavulon]

No Zeb.....

i am curious as to what the average Russian thinks of this man>>>

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~S~

Oh, he is mostly known as a comic actor, and as an actor, who mostly worked in Russia. He is just a talking head for his sponsors. He definitely isn't a decision maker.

Ok. Let me compare him with recogniseble but second-line American actress of Jewish origin. Say, Rachel Leah Bloom. She was born in California, she worked a lot in the USA. But suddenly she returns home, get elected as governor of California, ceased speaking English, on bad Spanish declare independence of California, start terror campaigns against Californian Republicans and White Suprematists and invite Mexican and Chinese forces to protect independence of the "ancient Californian nation", that was continuously "robbered and pillaged by greedy and evil Americans".