You’re Watching the Old Order Collapse…and the People Who Built It Would Rather Burn America Down Than Lose Power

[odanny]

It truly is alarming how stupid Americans are.

 

[candycorn]

It has little to do with what I think, but what the country thinks.

And you think the nation feels the same way you feel?

Do you vote? If so why--if you don’t trust the system.

As for the nation...they still vote. Pretty much at the same rate of voter turnout theyve always voted.

Not providing ID and/or mail in ballots, leaves the system wide open to vulnerabilities......such as we've all seen in the past.

Really? What did you see? LOL

Why not be willing to 'clean it up' to ensure those votes are legit.

Numerous states (both red and blue) have done almost exclusive mail in voting. Both Republicans and Democrats have been elected using these mail in systems. Very little voter fraud has been detected...outside of your blob; none of the losers have whined about voter fraud.

As for why I distrust the system??? That goes back to the 2004 WA Governor race between Christine Gregoire and Dino Rossi, one of the closest races with nearly 3,000,000 votes cast and the so called wins were within 150 votes or less, with each count/recount. Gregoire was declared winner by the court.

Believe it or not, I had actually voted for her, not because I liked her (she's a *****), but I thought she could get things done while Rossi was an unknown lawyer. As the election unfolded, even I could see it was a sham of how it was handled. Then we went full on mail in only voting after that. Previously it was optional

So you haven’t voted since.... okay. You do you.

Statistics reveal very little voter fraud takes place.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

State elections

ok, but that has nothing to do with the v-post-v

The blob said on social media he won’t sign any more bills until Congress passes election reform; something that the federal government doesn’t have a constituional role in officiating.

EDIT: ok, I see where you were taking this

 

[JWBooth]

It truly is alarming how stupid Americans are.

It's really amazing, many were so retarded they voted for Bidet and Harris.

 

[jc456]

Meanwhile back in reality,...

The blob said on social media he won’t sign any more bills until Congress passes election reform; something that the federal government doesn’t have a constituional role in officiating.

The sole creator of chaos is the blob.

I believe the constitution states citizens vote.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Random off topic post.
This forum is unusually dead today.
Weird.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

It truly is alarming how stupid Americans are.

has the money that has already been spent on public education been a waste of that money?

 

[RhodyPatriot]

You’re Watching the Old Order Collapse…​

and the People Who Built It Would Rather Burn America Down Than Lose Power​

Farther Along

"Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way." — General George S. Patton, Jr.

www.kunstler.com

9 Mar 2026 ~~ By John Howard Kunstler

Don’t lose the plot. Embrace the suck. This is the world’s hard time, for now. The birth of anything can be a bloody horror. It can even look like death. Don’t be too afraid to see what comes on the other side of this awful spectacle.
So many Americans are rooting and wishing for the Iran war to turn out badly for Western Civ. And why? Because Trump. And why? Because at the same time he is ending Iran’s long-running nuclear blackmail game, he is terminating the rackets of the Democratic Party. The incipient changes in operational order create new categories of winners and losers.
Now you know why Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists run on the same track as America’s Woke-Jacobin-Marxists, including the pitifully deluded wine ladies of posh West LA, Grosse Point, Beacon Hill, Fairfax County, et cetera, whose brains have been hijacked by the cable news demon factory (and their sponsors). Chaos does everything possible to avoid meeting order.
And this is why passing the SAVE Act is as consequential as ridding the Middle East of its chief chaos agent. Do you realize how perfectly insane our country’s election procedure has become? The fraud is titanic and right in your face, and the remedy is so plain and simple. What possible excuse is there to thwart it? Non-citizens have no right to vote. Mail-in ballots are patently subject to chicanery. Vote tabulation machines are demonstrably hackable. 80-percent of Americans know this is the truth. How is there controversy over this?
How? Because among all the broken institutions in our country, Congress is the worst. The Congress of our time is demonstrating that we might not be worthy of governing ourselves. We are at a cycle-low for public rectitude. Anything goes and nothing matters as long as the campaign contributions keep rolling in. You see how this has been going.
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So, Mr. Trump, for all his flaws, attempts to bring order out of chaos at home and in global relations, and the agents of chaos mightily resent the shut-down of their precious chaos. With Iran, it has come to fighting fire with fire. It’s unlikely that most of the people in that country seek to become martyrs. The cult of martyrdom is strictly the business of the maniacs who seized power there in 1979, a reign of terror, extended by proxy around the whole Middle East and beyond.
Entwined with Iran’s oil business, and the energy security of many nations, the mullahs inflect the trade of this primary resource with their chaos. The world cannot cope with chaos in the oil trade. The collapsing regime of the mullahs wants to go out turning the entire world into a martyr. Just like the Democratic Party wants to martyr the founding principles of the USA to preserve its matrix of moneygrubbing and power-seeking. These are two forces that require the most severe discipline and Mr. Trump is acting to impose exactly that. It’s painful to witness, but it must happen if we want to continue the human project as a reality-based enterprise.
So, heed what is at stake in the events unspooling. This is a dark moment in a journey back to daylight. Have faith. As the old American hymn goes: Farther along we’ll know more about it; farther along we’ll understand why.

Commentary:
John Kunstler's thesis reflects a common sentiment found in modern political commentary regarding the "old order" or "establishment." The idea suggests that entrenched leaders would rather see institutions fail than relinquish control.
Even posts on this board many of the discussions often center on whether the "death of American capitalism" or the dismantling of agencies like USAID represents a shift toward "oligarchic nihilism," where the ruling class prioritizes its own power over the survival of the system.
Certainly we've been warned by our forefathers and those that came after by people like Thomas Jefferson and
Abraham Lincoln who warned of the internal collapse of democracy if the 'Rights Of The People' were secondary to the interests of those in power.
Today's political landscape in the U.S. is marked by significant turmoil. Many believe that those in power are prioritizing their interests over the well-being of the nation. This has led to widespread discontent among the populace.
We saw that beginning in 2020 with the "Summer of Love" and the Stolen election followed by a pseudo presidency supposed led by an Alzheimer's riddled septuagenarian that began work at 12:00 PM and closed shop at 3:00 PM.
Indeed, many Americans wondered then who was really running the country.
Yet, today the same political leaders tell us the president elected to lead this country is tearing America apart.

What the doomers/gloomers and Leftists utterly fail to understand is that Trump will have done more to bring home US troops from the Middle East than any other president.

Once this mission is accomplished, the Arab states in league with Israel - sanctioned by Abrams Accord policy - can finally assume security control of the region.

BUT LOOK AT CNN!

AND ORANGE MAN BAD!

I honestly have no patience left for these simpering half-wits.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Random off topic post.
This forum is unusually dead today.
Weird.

With the type of bologna about Thomas Massie and IS TRUMP PUTIN? - (In 2026 for chrissake!) populating the forum titles - maybe it's a merciful death.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

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Bruised and battered by the democrat machine who tried everything they could think of and he beat them. How does it feel?

No president has ever been more opposed by the corrupt Leftist institutions and the so-called phony "libertarian" right. (A tiny, limp-wristed contingency of about 10 percent.)

It's how you know he's over the target.

 

[BS Filter]

No president has ever been more opposed by the corrupt Leftist institutions and the so-called phony "libertarian" right. (A tiny, limp-wristed contingency of about 10 percent.)

It's how you know he's over the target.

Exactly. These jellyfish are useful idiots. "Saving Democracy", my ass. They're losers who keep trying to be somebody and are too ignorant to understand they're being used by the political class. They're anger is misdirected.

 

[westwall]

Alaska is surprising.....unsure why its emptying out.

Life is actually work in Alaska. Those who want an easy life move away.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

And you think the nation feels the same way you feel?

Do you vote? If so why--if you don’t trust the system.

As for the nation...they still vote. Pretty much at the same rate of voter turnout theyve always voted.

Really? What did you see? LOL

Numerous states (both red and blue) have done almost exclusive mail in voting. Both Republicans and Democrats have been elected using these mail in systems. Very little voter fraud has been detected...outside of your blob; none of the losers have whined about voter fraud.

So you haven’t voted since.... okay. You do you.

Statistics reveal very little voter fraud takes place.

So let me put it to you this way........

how would you feel if anyone could go to the bank and withdraw money from your account, without having to show id or other verifying information. They only knew your name and what bank you dealt with. Better yet, all they had to do was call the bank and transfer funds, not even show up, and the bank allowed it......because gee, theft and fraud rarely happens like that so no need to change the rules.

 

[Doc7505]

So, Trump is POTUS, the GOP controls congress….. and somehow it’s the democrats who are the ones with all the power to lose?

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Who shut down the gov't for the third time? Was it the President, the majority GOP Congress?
NO, it was Democrats. Their childish, contrarian and total negative attitude is apparent.
Seems Democrats support Palestine, Iran, the Ayatollah, Putin and XI all because of TDS.
Anything to destroy Trump, the U.S. Constitution and America.

 

[Edgetho]

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So many Americans are rooting and wishing for the Iran war to turn out badly for Western Civ. And why? Because Trump. And why? Because at the same time he is ending Iran’s long-running nuclear blackmail game, he is terminating the rackets of the Democratic Party. The incipient changes in operational order create new categories of winners and losers.

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That paragraph says it all. The biggest racket? You know those BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of dollars the piece of shit dhimmi obama and, later, Biden gave Iran?

A lot of that has fouond its way back to the USA in the form donations, dark money and seed money for dimocrap scum in insurrection and insurgency funds. Wher do you think they get it all? China?

Not even. If it can be traced to a Chinese Billionaire, it's being funneled to him through Iran and the money those two Anti-American cucks gave them.

Trump isn't just knocking out The Mad Mullahs, he's killing the dimocrap scum Kash Kow. Bigly. And that's what really has them upset.

dimocrap scum couldn't care less about what system of government we run. If they could achieve absolute power under Capitalism, they'd be all for it. But they can't. Why? BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO STUPID.
They're criminals and all criminals are stupid, believe it or not. Clever? Yes. Duplicitous? Even more so. Double-Dealing, dishonest and scumacious. ALL of them. Every last one of them. Down to the lowest voter.

So they have to devise a system where they can achieve their most heart-felt desire -- Total Power.

And the best system to attain that lofty goal is socialism. Or what they call socialism. It isn't. It's just simply Totalitarianism. They don't care what it's called. All they want is Total Power.

There is not now, nor has there ever been, a socialist Country on this Planet. Ever. Not a one. They may have, and still do, call themselves socialist but they're not. Not even close. Not even a little bit.

Under socialism, the Means of Production is held by THE WORKERS not by the State. When the State runs, controls and often owns the MoP, that's not socialism, that is simply Totalitarianism.

If you want a Totalitarian Country, vote for the scum of the Earth, filthiest human beings, the most corrupt Political Party to ever exist (oh, yes. It is)

Anybody that votes dimocrap is scum. Period. No excuses. scum, through and through and out

 

[Edgetho]

So, Trump is POTUS, the GOP controls congress….. and somehow it’s the democrats who are the ones with all the power to lose?

dimocrap FILTH control the Media, 90% of it, Hollywood, etc. They control Unions, they control all, not some -- ALL the population Centers in the USA. 90% of goobermint employees are dimocraps (look in the mirror). The entire Judicial Branch, including 86% of Lawyers and Judges are dimocrap scum. And the vast majority of the Biggest Companies on Earth all lean dimocrap. Look it up.

Look at the top 10 Companies by Market Cap and tell me who isn't in bed with dimocrap FILTH. I'll wait. Go for it.

Republicans represent The People. dimocrap FILTH represent Big Goobermint. And Corporate America is on board with that.

That's changing and dimocrap FILTH don't like it.

2026 MidTerms will tell us everything we need to know. We lose them and America, as we know it, is finished

 

[Doc7505]

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Popper’s Paradox: Does America Have a Duty to Tolerate That Which Threatens It​

Popper's Paradox: Does America Have a Duty to Tolerate That Which Threatens It - Flopping Aces

As someone who looks at culture and politics regularly, I often write about problems and, on occasion, proffer solutions. Sometimes the solutions are

floppingaces.net

9 Mar 2026 ~~ By Vince

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As someone who looks at culture and politics regularly, I often write about problems and, on occasion, proffer solutions. Sometimes the solutions are relatively straightforward and obvious, like suggesting to the GOP that if they don’t pass the SAVE Act and bring about something resembling honest elections, they’re going to get their asses handed to them in November. Others, I recognize, are far more complex than my 30,000-foot take on the issue. This is most certainly the case when I suggested the government should get out of the wealth redistribution business. Knowing that there are thousands of programs handing out trillions of dollars annually, just suggesting the government should get out of the business of taking money from Peter to give to Paul seems a bit trite. And it might be, but trying to explain a problem and proffer a detailed solution in under 1200 words is a bit challenging, at least it is for me.
But that doesn’t mean that I’m going to stop highlighting issues and making suggestions.
One of the most important and challenging issues from both a cultural and political perspective is tolerance. What should we tolerate? How much of it should we tolerate? And, perhaps most importantly, what should be not tolerated… and why.
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But it’s not just naval gazing. Across Europe, they’re seeing what happens when Muslims reach just 5% of the population. In France over half of young Muslims want Sharia law, in Austria a court made Sharia legal, while in the UK Muslim rape rings were allowed to rape thousands of young white girls for more than a decade because the authorities were scared of being called racists. Indeed across Europe Muslims are rapidly increasing in numbers and not only are they not assimilating, they are bringing unprecedented rates of violent crime across the continent. Here at home, Muslims gather in large groups tell us they are taking over, something they have explicitly wanted to do for over 30 years!
And so back to my original question: Does society have a duty to be tolerant of that which seeks to destroy said society? Is Islam to be tolerated? If yes, ask yourself, is there a “religion” that might ever NOT be tolerated? What tenets might it have that are not present in Islam? What kinds of activities would its adherents have to engage in that have not been so by Muslims?
Our Constitution was written as a vehicle for preserving the fundamental ideas of limited government, free speech, freedom of religion, and individual liberty. A creed that explicitly targets those who simply cannot be tolerated.
This is one of those problems for which solutions would take far more than 1200 words to cover. Whatever solutions are to be had, they must start with recognizing that the Constitution is not a suicide pact.

Commentary:
On so many fronts we are witnessing the destruction of our society because of tolerance. From the left we get denouncing of all differing arguments, even to absurd extents as they prohibit their adherents from even acknowledging opposing rationality and common sense — they created “Getting Cancelled.”
“Multiculturalism,” pushing, almost enforcing not just ‘tolerance’ for the intolerable, but systemic implementation of irrational programs including DEI. Not only have they forced DEI on all government departments, they have thrust it onto businesses large and small.
The concern was with movements that reject rational debate and advocate violence or authoritarian rule. Liberal democracies already address that through laws against terrorism, violent conspiracies, and incitement.
Where the argument becomes tricky is when it shifts from behavior to identity.
Islam is practiced by nearly two billion people across dozens of cultures and political systems. Some interpretations are authoritarian or violent, just as extremist.
interpretations exist in other religions or ideologies. But most Muslims live ordinary lives under secular legal systems, including millions in Western democracies.
Historically, the U.S. has taken the approach that belief itself isn’t the problem — violence and incitement are. That’s why the Supreme Court eventually ruled that even radical political ideas are protected unless they’re tied to imminent lawless action.
So the real challenge for liberal societies isn’t banning beliefs. It’s maintaining the line between protecting freedom of religion and speech while firmly confronting actual violence or coercion when it occurs.

 

[sartre play]

Look and see who is actually in charge, Then decide who is WORKING HARD to stay IN charge.
Turning AMERICAN against other AMERICANS. Both party's stink. We need healthy government,
That works for ALL of us.

 

[BluesLegend]

Bullshit. How can you say such stupid crap?

I'll take, poster is a F'ing retard for $800.

 

[BluesLegend]

What the doomers/gloomers and Leftists utterly fail to understand is that Trump will have done more to bring home US troops from the Middle East than any other president.

Once this mission is accomplished, the Arab states in league with Israel - sanctioned by Abrams Accord policy - can finally assume security control of the region.

BUT LOOK AT CNN!

AND ORANGE MAN BAD!

I honestly have no patience left for these simpering half-wits.

Democrats have gone full Sodom and Gomorrah

Trump has occupied every common sense position on the issues. Since Democrats hate the man and refuse to agree with him on anything, that forces Democrats to oppose everything common sense. Root for America to fail. Side with murdering raping dictators and illegal invaders. Adopt and defend every sicko perversion. Try to trigger nut jobs in their party to assassinate their opponents or commit suicide by law enforcement.