You want to know the real reason people don't want to be liberals?

[thereisnospoon]

All of the founding fathers were liberals

Conservatives remained loyal to the crown

yes Liberal...As in "liberty"..Freedom....You people abhor those concepts.

 

[thereisnospoon]

If Joeb131 were a liberal, you might have something, but from what I've seen of him, he's closer to Neo Nazi than liberal as well as being extremely irrational and unintelligent .

The problem in perception is that the word liberal is too often applied to those who aren't the least bit liberal.

Read some John Stuart Mill or John Rawls, and get back to me, k?

Joe b has his own agenda.
He looks at his inability to achieve success and blames others for his failures.
Anyone guided by such anger isn't worth the time of day.
He is miserable and demands everyone else be just as miserable.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Founding fathers were rebels, libturds never rebel, they just seek more and more goverment regulation of our personal lives.

Liberals are dominating. They seek to corral the masses into groups, pit them against each other, while the elite go about their business.
Liberals have massive egos and an acute case of insecurity.

 

[thereisnospoon]

All of the founding fathers were liberals

Conservatives remained loyal to the crown

Most of the founding fathers were classical liberals who held the exact same politics that the libertarian party holds today. Classical conservatives were democrats of the day, and they remained loyal to the crown. Even today these democrats remain loyal to the government crown, aka. the imperial democrat emperor, aka. their god the POTUS Obama.

The founding fathers would spit on today's Libertarians

Who's talking about libertarians?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Founding fathers were rebels, libturds never rebel, they just seek more and more goverment regulation of our personal lives.

Liberals ALWAYS rebel

It is what makes them liberal

No...you people expect conformity.
Our public schools are a perfect example.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Jesus was a liberal

Jesus was a conservative, aka classical liberal. Modern liberals have bastardized the term liberal.

Modern liberals left the classical liberals behind because the classic liberal agenda became obsolete.

Which also explains why classical liberalism is now essentially conservatism.

It is what conservatives just don't understand. That liberalism as well as society evolves

But then again, conservatives don't believe in evolution

Society does evolve. Your side has radicalized that concept..
In as far as the conflict between evolution and creationism, only religious conservatives have this battle.
Of courser in order to impugn all conservatives, your side pushes the narrative that all non libs are bible thumping Christian three times a week church goers.
You could not be more incorrect.

 

[rightwinger]

All of the founding fathers were liberals

Conservatives remained loyal to the crown

yes Liberal...As in "liberty"..Freedom....You people abhor those concepts.

Abhor them?

We built a nation around them

 

[rightwinger]

Jesus was a liberal

Jesus was a conservative, aka classical liberal. Modern liberals have bastardized the term liberal.

Modern liberals left the classical liberals behind because the classic liberal agenda became obsolete.

Which also explains why classical liberalism is now essentially conservatism.

It is what conservatives just don't understand. That liberalism as well as society evolves

But then again, conservatives don't believe in evolution

Society does evolve. Your side has radicalized that concept..
In as far as the conflict between evolution and creationism, only religious conservatives have this battle.
Of courser in order to impugn all conservatives, your side pushes the narrative that all non libs are bible thumping Christian three times a week church goers.
You could not be more incorrect.

Society does not evolve?

You mean we still have slavery and women can't vote?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Most of which was formed by their study of the liberal paradigm, and the following quote best summarizes their view as well as that of the vast majority of contemporary liberals and progressives, diametrically opposed to the ethos of contemporary libertarians and callous conservatives or want of a better and longer definition:

"Where did the treatment of the self-interested pursuit of wealth as a virtue come from? Influential books that idealize self-interest and have had a significant influence on political activism since the 1980s include Ayn Rand’s “The Virtue of Selfishness”, “Capitalism: the Unknown Ideal”, and “Atlas Shrugged”, George Gilder’s “Wealth and Poverty”, and Michael Novak’s “The Spirit of Democratic Capitalism”. What is philosophically significant about the treatment of the pursuit of self-interest as a virtue is that it turns Thrasymachus’ position on its head. While Plato was resistant to Thrasymachus’ claim that the few either do or should call all the shots, many American activists believe passionately that this is morally good. Let all good citizens be clear: the treatment of self-interest as a virtue is a radical departure from the Western as well as American tradition, and no mainstream political philosopher suggests that seeking one’s self-interest is a moral virtue. There is a significant difference between praising hard work and effort, on the one hand, and praising the self-interested pursuit of profit, on the other. Anyone who does not understand the difference has no business being involved in public policy debates."

Emphasis added.

Link to full article:

The Breakdown of the Classical Liberal Paradigm in the Age of Globalization Practical Philosophy

As an undergrad my major was political philosophy, your suggestion that I read only the aforementioned documents and not their antecedents is telling. Start with the Magna Carta, and work your way up through five centuries of political thought and maybe then you will have some business being involved in public policy discussions.

Start here:

Featured Document The Magna Carta

.....not to mention Gordon Gekko.

I don't think RKMBrown is at all interested in learning anything about political philosophy, however, especially inasmuch as the limits of his ability to understand is such that he responds to anybody who HAS studied political philosophy to any degree by calling them a "moron".

The Heritage foundation is especially influential in creating this notion that greed is good, though, especially as it provided so much of the framework for helping to transfer these notions into policy and popularize them among the general public during the Reagan administration. Cripple the Unions, eliminate the fairness doctrine, control the message on the airwaves and voila' -- the creation of a new brand of culture warrior working against their own economic self-interest.

On the left side of the spectrum, the biggest change I have seen since the sixties is the rise in multiculturalism to replace liberalism as the guiding principle. Will Kymlika and other multiculturalists have been effective in providing a philosophical basis on the left that has effectively replaced the notion that rights should be universal and applied to everybody equally with a brand of cultural relativism that ascribes them to a group, instead.

 

[Papageorgio]

Founding fathers were rebels, libturds never rebel, they just seek more and more goverment regulation of our personal lives.

Liberals ALWAYS rebel

It is what makes them liberal

Rebel, like the TeaParty?

 

[rightwinger]

All of the founding fathers were liberals

Conservatives remained loyal to the crown

Most of the founding fathers were classical liberals who held the exact same politics that the libertarian party holds today. Classical conservatives were democrats of the day, and they remained loyal to the crown. Even today these democrats remain loyal to the government crown, aka. the imperial democrat emperor, aka. their god the POTUS Obama.

The founding fathers would spit on today's Libertarians

Who's talking about libertarians?

RKMBrown...........Most of the founding fathers were classical liberals who held the exact same politics that the libertarian party holds today.


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[rightwinger]

Founding fathers were rebels, libturds never rebel, they just seek more and more goverment regulation of our personal lives.

Liberals ALWAYS rebel

It is what makes them liberal

Rebel, like the TeaParty?

The Civil Rights movement rebeled

The Tea Party wears funny hats and waves flags with snakes on it

 

[ClosedCaption]

If people who believe one guy on the internet represents everyone they already dislike. I dont want those idiots to be liberals either

 

[Freemason9]

The OP is continuing evidence of the political "branding" of Americans. He considers "liberal" as some kind of homogenous category, and displays a common lack of intellect.

 

[Roadrunner]

All of the founding fathers were liberals

Conservatives remained loyal to the crown

yes Liberal...As in "liberty"..Freedom....You people abhor those concepts.

No, Liberal as in libertine, anarchy, butt-fucking, anus licking, abortion crazed, welfare slugs...You people revel in those concepts.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Founding fathers were rebels, libturds never rebel, they just seek more and more goverment regulation of our personal lives.

Liberals ALWAYS rebel

It is what makes them liberal

Rebel, like the TeaParty?

The Civil Rights movement rebeled

The Tea Party wears funny hats and waves flags with snakes on it

They think sitting in a hover round, eating french fries that you call "freedom fries" and corporate sponsors is what a rebellion looks like.

 

[Stephanie]

The OP is continuing evidence of the political "branding" of Americans. He considers "liberal" as some kind of homogenous category, and displays a common lack of intellect.

and the liberal doesn't do that with conservatives? they never pass up a chance to speak that red state blue state, blaa blaa

 

[regent]

Why can't conservatives be content and proud of their conservatism? Recently they have started a campaign to change political labels and parties, making Jefferson into a conservative and Truman into a Republican? Is the new campaign an attempt to confuse people or they are ashamed of being conservative?
The labels of conservative and liberal have been defined many times and college book stores all carry little booklets defining the terms. In the meantime the label-theft program seems to be a new and serious strategy for conservatives.
Perhaps conservatives would be content with being called liberal-conservatives and liberals, liberal-liberals?

 

[Freemason9]

The OP is continuing evidence of the political "branding" of Americans. He considers "liberal" as some kind of homogenous category, and displays a common lack of intellect.

and the liberal doesn't do that with conservatives? they never pass up a chance to speak that red state blue state, blaa blaa

"Liberals" and "conservatives" have become meaningless in the modern unsophisticated realm of American politics. It's no more meaningful than being a Red Sox fan or a Yankees fan. Whatever one side does, the other side opposes--even if they held reverse positions a year or two earlier.

As I see it, modern "conservatives" use politics as entertainment and a mechanism for group affiliation in lieu of real human relationships.

 

[rightwinger]

Why can't conservatives be content and proud of their conservatism? Recently they have started a campaign to change political labels and parties, making Jefferson into a conservative and Truman into a Republican? Is the new campaign an attempt to confuse people or they are ashamed of being conservative?
The labels of conservative and liberal have been defined many times and college book stores all carry little booklets defining the terms. In the meantime the label-theft program seems to be a new and serious strategy for conservatives.
Perhaps conservatives would be content with being called liberal-conservatives and liberals, liberal-liberals?

I know.....they try to claim both JFK and Martin Luther King as conservatives now