Zone1 "Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses"

[Donald H]

You imagine there is some sort of Jewish/Christian rivalry. Nothing could be further from the truth. Jewish people never gave a shit about what Christians believe or what the Gospels reported about what Jesus was teaching.

But now, things have changed.

Ding's opinions are never based on the bibles being the true word of the god. He agreed with atheists months ago that the bibles are only meant to be allegorical tales.

That applies to atheists and modern Christians alike,

It's as if any sane person would actually believe that all the dead in graves got up and walked around town??

Allegory works!

 

[BreezeWood]

Salvation is only offered to man.

no, the repudiation of judaism's false premise is a reason for the crucifixion - all living beings, life is equally destined by their own determination same as humanity.

... think twice sacrificial lamb. that in itself a very bad idea.

 

[hobelim]

It's as if any sane person would actually believe that all the dead in graves got up and walked around town??

Ding has "faith" and believes thats exactly what happened. If he wasn't such a pompous ass I would feel sorry for him. He has the form and shape of a human being, but an intelligence just slightly above that of a monkey.

Allegory works!

Yes.

Its like speaking a foreign language openly in front of dingbats that will never understand. It seems to be even more effective than any mathematical computer generated cipher. Its all in the mind. Still works like a charm!

Damn smart them ancient Hebrew nomadic goat herders!

 

[Donald H]

Ding has "faith" and believes thats exactly what happened. If he wasn't such a pompous ass I would feel sorry for him.

He has the form and shape of a flabby human being, but an intelligence just slightly above that of a monkey.



Its like speaking a foreign language openly that dingbats will never understand.. Still works like a charm!

You're wrong. Ding has come clean on the bibles being allegory. We can interpret that as him admitting that the bibles are nothing more than lies, if it helps you to feel better.

Yes, ding has faith, but it's a very different faith than the tradional beliefs in such nonsense as Jonah's big fish' story or the laughably insane beliefs of more that 29,000 feet of rain water covering the earth! LOL

 

[hobelim]

You're wrong. Ding has come clean on the bibles being allegory.

No. Ding claims the creation story is an allegorical account of the Big Bang passed down orally for generations even though there was no one there to witness it or pass it down 14 billion years ago. DERP. He also claims that Jesus healing the blind man was a miraculous supernatural reality defying restoration of vision and when I showed him how the healing of the blind man was a healing of perception and not sight he doesn't believe. WTF!

Ding is a believer who doesn't believe.

He is actually quite deranged. All hat and no cattle. I think he fried his brain playing golf under the Texas sun. Either that or some preacher convinced him to eat the forbidden fruit, the bullshit of a conman, and lost his soul.

 

[BreezeWood]

The ungodly are tossed into the LOF and while it is undoubtedly a punishment it is also corrective and restorative. They are refined and purified.

really ...

is foghorn the tosser ... proxy for their christianity. those have been around since they first wrote their bible.

* did she live - or prove them wrong by dying.

 

[Donald H]

No. Ding claims the creation story is an allegorical account of the Big Bang passed down orally for generations even though there was no one there to witness it or pass it down 14 billion years ago.

No. Ding stopped believing that when the JWST reduced the BB to being local.

Ding's beliefs have at least become consistent enough with that which is possible to accept.

I can applaud him for having the strength to change, while still holding to his faith.

 

[hobelim]

Ding's beliefs have at least become consistent enough with that which is possible to accept.

I see. You are making joke. Toying with him cat and mouse.

Very clever.

 

[Donald H]

I see. You are making joke. Toying with him cat and mouse.

Very clever.

No,, not at all. There's hardly anything over which we disagree. It's beome a demonstration of how a modern rational Christian and an atheist can find common ground.

It's you and your evil Zionist sympathies that have made you the odd man out. FO. You're of no use to anybody!

Ding can and will speak for himself if he feels the need.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

Maybe you are reading too much into unite all things.

Ephesians 1:9 speaks of this “to unite all things” as a mystery. The Greek scholar A.T. Robinson said the Greek word “MUSTERION,” translated “mystery” here, means “something that could not be known by men except by divine revelation, but that, though once hidden, has now been revealed in Christ and is to be proclaimed so that all who have ears may hear it” (Handbook to Ephesians, p. 19).

The specific mystery that Paul was speaking about is explained in the next verse (Ephesians 1:10). The truths of God are mysterious only to those who do not soften their hearts (Mark 8:17) by seeking God with their whole hearts. As Jeremiah 29:13 says, “And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.”

The truths of God are hidden for His children, not from them (Matthew 13:11). The Holy Spirit has been instructed to teach us all things (John 14:26) and has given us an unction so that we know all things (1 John 2:20). We only have to appropriate what is ours (1 Corinthians 2:16).

Here's the literal translation of the Koine Greek courtesy of Young's Literal Translation. It says that Jesus was sent by God to unite ALL THINGS to himself. If forever punishment is true then God and Jesus are failures.

1 Corinthians 8-10 YLT
8 in which He did abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence,

9 having made known to us the secret of His will, according to His good pleasure, that He purposed in Himself,

10 in regard to the dispensation of the fulness of the times, to bring into one the whole in the Christ, both the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth -- in him;

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

Not everyone can tolerate God’s love. It’s too much for the hardened hearts to bear.

Verse?

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

But I believe your understanding of unite all things is wrong. It doesn’t mean everyone is united with God. Just the ones that can be. Order occurs when the ones that can do and the ones that can’t don’t.

We will never agree because we don't share the foundation of God's word. I look to the scriptures but you look elsewhere.

 

[hobelim]

No,, not at all. There's hardly anything over which we disagree.

Even when Ding himself tells you in plain language that you two don't agree?

It's beome a demonstration of how a modern rational Christian and an atheist can find common ground.

Thats is so funny! Thanks for the laughs. And some people didn't think commies had a sense of humor!

 

[Quantrill]

no, the repudiation of judaism's false premise is a reason for the crucifixion - all living beings, life is equally destined by their own determination same as humanity.

... think twice sacrificial lamb. that in itself a very bad idea.

no, the repudiation of judaism's false premise is a reason for the crucifixion - all living beings, life is equally destined by their own determination same as humanity.

... think twice sacrificial lamb. that in itself a very bad idea.

What does that have to do with 'salvation only being offered to man'?

Scripture is clear that salvation is never offered to angels.

The Sacrificial Lamb is the only way to salvation...for man, not angels.

Quantrill

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

Scripture is clear that salvation is never offered to angels.

Verse(s)?

 

[Quantrill]

Verse(s)?

Sure.

(Heb. 1:13) "But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool"

(Heb. 2:5-6) "For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?

(Heb. 2:7) "Thou madest him a little lower than the angels, thou crowndest him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands."

(Heb. 2:9-10) "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels....that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings."

(Heb. 2:11) "For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren."

For salvation to be offered to an angel, Christ would have to have come as an angel and not a man. Christ came as a man to bear the sins of man. Not of angels. Salvation is never offered to an angel.

Quantrill

 

[ding]

No, that makes no sense. its says in the Bible that "the sword" is a curse under the appearance of a cup of wine.

"Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it THEY WILL VOMIT AND GO MAD, SUCH IS THE SWORD THAT I AM SENDING AMONG THEM"

And yet the division is between Christianity and Judaism.

 

[ding]

Jesus divided sheep from goats, the living from the dead. You are an idolator. You have your reward already.


He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.




Seriously.

Enjoy your delusions. The rest of your time in the realm of the dead won't be any worse than it aways has been.

The division Jesus created was between Jews and Christians.

 

[ding]

Here's the literal translation of the Koine Greek courtesy of Young's Literal Translation. It says that Jesus was sent by God to unite ALL THINGS to himself. If forever punishment is true then God and Jesus are failures.

1 Corinthians 8-10 YLT
8 in which He did abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence,

9 having made known to us the secret of His will, according to His good pleasure, that He purposed in Himself,

10 in regard to the dispensation of the fulness of the times, to bring into one the whole in the Christ, both the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth -- in him;

So according to you - and no one else - uniting all means saving all.

 

[ding]

Verse?

Ephesians 1:10. The one right after the one you are basing your opinion.

Ephesians 1:9 speaks of this “to unite all things” as a mystery. The Greek scholar A.T. Robinson said the Greek word “MUSTERION,” translated “mystery” here, means “something that could not be known by men except by divine revelation, but that, though once hidden, has now been revealed in Christ and is to be proclaimed so that all who have ears may hear it” (Handbook to Ephesians, p. 19).

The specific mystery that Paul was speaking about is explained in the next verse (Ephesians 1:10). The truths of God are mysterious only to those who do not soften their hearts (Mark 8:17) by seeking God with their whole hearts. As Jeremiah 29:13 says, “And ye shall seek me,