Zone1 "Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses"

[ding]

We will never agree because we don't share the foundation of God's word. I look to the scriptures but you look elsewhere.

Or because these things have not been revealed to you because of a hardened heart.

 

[ding]

We will never agree because we don't share the foundation of God's word. I look to the scriptures but you look elsewhere.

I look to the Holy Spirit for guidance.

You’ll never understand scripture without it.

 

[BreezeWood]

What does that have to do with 'salvation only being offered to man'?

Scripture is clear that salvation is never offered to angels.

The Sacrificial Lamb is the only way to salvation...for man, not angels.

Quantrill

no, the repudiation of judaism's false premise is a reason for the crucifixion - all living beings, life is equally destined by their own determination same as humanity.

not sure what is not obvious for you to miss ... heavens concern is equally shared for all living beings.

 

[Quantrill]

not sure what is not obvious for you to miss ... heavens concern is equally shared for all living beings.

So you say, but not the Scriptures. See again post #(136).

Concerning heaven, the redeemed are of mankind alone. No redeemed angels.

Quantrill

 

[BreezeWood]

So you say, but not the Scriptures. See again post #(136).

Concerning heaven, the redeemed are of mankind alone. No redeemed angels.

Quantrill

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They will be refined and transformed in the LOF, or so I believe. Am I mistaken?

Yes, you are mistaken. There is no salvation offered to Satan and his angels. Salvation is only offered to man. The Lake of Fire is everlasting, not temporary. (Matt. 25:41) Satan and his angels are there forever. And any who are cast into the Lake of Fire are there forever. (Rev. 20:10) (Rev. 20:14-15)

who you claim above are residents of the heavens already, they are above a need for salvation and makes no sense the desert version they would be banished to a planet where new life is just learning their way to accomplish admission for themselves.

- the very idea residents of heaven could become evil is absurd. their banishment is heavenly with resolution over time whatever their dispute.

 

[Quantrill]

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who you claim above are residents of the heavens already, they are above a need for salvation and makes no sense the desert version they would be banished to a planet where new life is just learning their way to accomplish admission for themselves.

- the very idea residents of heaven could become evil is absurd. their banishment is heavenly with resolution over time whatever their dispute.

You make no sense. The angels in Heaven now are not redeemed angels. They are the angels who didn't rebel with Satan.

Before Lucifer's rebellion, the earth and all the universe was Heaven, the domain of God. When Lucifer and his angels rebelled, they did so in Heaven. This why God must make a new heaven as well as a new earth. Both have been stained with sin.

(Rev. 21:1) "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."

There is no redemption offered or given to the fallen angels. Their doom is sealed.

Quantrill

 

[otto105]

I think I learn something from the Bible almost every day. What I understand Paul to be saying is that death reigned from Adam and through the Mosiac Law of Moses which ended with Jesus's sacrifice on the cross. That ended the Mosaic Age and ushered in the age of grace.

Prior to Jesus's sacrifice, people were DEAD in the grave. Thereafter, people continued to live but in the spirit rather than the flesh.

Feedback?

Romans 5:12-14
Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— 13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. 14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.

Prove that dead people "live" in spirit.

 

[onefour1]

Prove that dead people "live" in spirit.

1 Peter 4:6
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

When Jesus Christ died, he gave up the ghost which is his spirit. In other words his spirit separated from his dead body. He then went among the spirits of others who have died but did not have a chance to hear his gospel. Many of them lived in the days of Noah and were drown in the great flood.

 

[otto105]

1 Peter 4:6
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

When Jesus Christ died, he gave up the ghost which is his spirit. In other words his spirit separated from his dead body. He then went among the spirits of others who have died but did not have a chance to hear his gospel. Many of them lived in the days of Noah and were drown in the great flood.

The bible isn't proof.

 

[onefour1]

The bible isn't proof.

I guess you will just have to wait until your body dies and you realize that a part of you is still alive. Then you will have your proof.

 

[otto105]

I guess you will just have to wait until your body dies and you realize that a part of you is still alive. Then you will have your proof.

Hilarious

 

[BreezeWood]

There is no redemption offered or given to the fallen angels. Their doom is sealed.

- the very idea residents of heaven could become evil is absurd. their banishment is heavenly with resolution over time whatever their dispute.

desert dwellers are who choose sin and darkness their bible than the true heavenly goal known by all living beings from the beginning to triumph over evil and see the lite of day.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Was Jesus physical body resurrected? (John 20:27)

Quantrill

Yep. He is in His physical body and will be for eternity. So will we.
As for what to expect when we see Him:
His back was shredded. The scars remain. They grabbed handfuls of His beard and ripped it off of His face. His face will look deformed. The Bible said He was tortured through the night, and that He didn't look human when they nailed Him to the cross. The scars are still there. He walked with 2 men that knew Him, but didn't recognize Him until they saw the nail holes.
As He hung on that cross, I wonder what wounds He carries because of me. I will weep bitter tears when I see Him...