"No one is lost except the one who must be lost for scripture must be fulfilled." (Jn 17:12) And the one who must be lost, because scripture must be fulfilled, is anyone who has made sinfulness a conscious deliberate choice.
Zone1 "Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses"
- Thread starter FoghornLeghorn
- Start date
Wrong. Christianity did not exist when Jesus said this.
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but division. For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— and a man will find his enemies living under his own roof."
Its a division made between clean and unclean, right and wrong, true and false, good and evil, heaven and hell, sheep and goats, wheat and tares, the children of God and the children of the devil, "the living" and "the dead".
Worldwide.
And yet Jesus is literally the division between Judaism and Christianity.
Just like he said he would do.
Yep. The division between Christianity and Judaism.
No, its is division between members of every household from every nation language and people worldwide whether they are atheist, agnostic, Catholic, Protestant, born again, Jewish, muslim, Buddhist, Hindi, pagan, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, healthy, sick, old, young, gay or whatever, stoned or straight, cop or criminal,.etc.
Two dingbats on their knees blubbering to a cracker in church.
One will be taken. The other will be left behind.Toodles!
Last edited:
I’m not seeing that. What I do see and everyone else sees is that Jesus is the reason for a division between Christianity and Judaism.No, its is division between members of every household from every nation language and people worldwide whether they are atheist, agnostic, Catholic, Protestant, born again, Jewish, muslim, nudist, hindu, pagan, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, healthy sick, old, young, gay or whatever, stoned or straight, cop or criminal,.etc.
Two dingbats on their knees blubbering to a cracker in church.
Toodles!
Where? Where’s your proof? Where’s the evidence of the great division? Because I’m not seeing it. But if you ask anyone what divided Christianity from Judaism, they will say Jesus.No, its is division between members of every household from every nation language and people worldwide whether they are atheist, agnostic, Catholic, Protestant, born again, Jewish, muslim, nudist, hindu, pagan, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, healthy sick, old, young, gay or whatever, stoned or straight, cop or criminal,.etc.
Two dingbats on their knees blubbering to a cracker in church.
Toodles!
No one can blame Jesus for what sardonic Romans did in 325CE to pervert Christianity with Mithraism and bury his teachings under a mountain of blasphemy upon which your church sits like a neutered fire breathing dragon.
The disagreement that Jesus had with other dedicated Jews was about the righteous interpretation of the Law. It was never about Jew vs Christian. It was always about different Jewish PERCEPTIONS based on Jewish writing.
When Christians go to Bible study they are told what to believe by rote. Simon says, "Stand up, sit down, kneel."
When Jewish people get together for Bible study they argue and are challenged to think deeply and RUMINATE.
Last edited:
- Jan 19, 2010
- 83,789
- 84,197
- 3,605
Adam’s disobedience introduced sin into the human condition, bringing physical and spiritual death to all humanity...
Even without the written Law... humans sinned... and the universal reality of death proved it....
Adam’s disobedience brought death to many... Christ’s obedience brings life to many... Adam is like a negative model that points ahead to Christ’s redemptive work....
Our Lord and Savior was the first to resurrect. You can read about his resurrection in Luke 24:
Luke 24:36-43
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Our Lord was the example of how all of us will resurrect. We will have bodies of flesh and bones as verse 39 above states. The gift of resurrrection will come upon all mankind.
Acts 24:15
15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
1 Corinthians 15:12-22
12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Yes this is Mormon doctrine. But take note where all these verses are coming from! THE BIBLE!! This is the doctrine of Jesus Christ and his apostles as well.
1 Corinthians 15:53-57
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Last edited:
Hey brother, please read the following and keep an open mind. After all, you don't really believe that Jesus throws people away forever, right?
Jude 1:7 King James Version
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 1:7 Young's Literal Translation
7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, in like manner to these, having given themselves to whoredom, and gone after other flesh, have been set before -- an example, of fire age-during, justice suffering.
We know that there is no "eternal fire" occurring in the area in and around the ancient ruins of Sodom and Gomorrha, which demonstrates that the use of the word "eternal" in Jude 1:7 is erroneous.
The YLT translation that I shared above is the correct translation. The ancient Koine Greek word that early Bible translators got wrong is "αἰωνίου" or "aiōniou". This word denotes an unspecified period of time that has been mistranslated into words such as "eternal", "everlasting", "forever", and even "world".
Here are scholarly explanations which better define "αἰωνίου" or "aiōniou" (and their derivatives).
Encyclopedic Dictionary of the Bible: Eternity: The Bible hardly speaks of eternity in a philosophical sense of infinite duration without beginning or end. The Hebrew word olam, which is used alone (Ps. 61:8) or with various prepositions (Ge. 3:22; 13:15, etc.) in contexts where it is traditionally translated "forever," means, in itself, no more than "for an indefinitely long period." Thus, me-olam does not mean "from eternity," but "of old" (Ge 6:4, etc.). In the N.T., aion is used as the equivalent of olam.
The New Testament in Modern Speech, by Dr. R. F. Weymouth: Eternal: Greek: "aeonion," i.e., "of the ages."
Etymologically this adjective, like others similarly formed, does not signify "during," but "belonging to" the aeons or ages.
The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible (vol. IV, p. 643): Time: The O.T. and the N.T are not acquainted with the conception of eternity as timelessness. The O.T. has not developed a special term for "eternity." The word aion originally meant "vital force," "life;" then "age," "lifetime." It is, however, also used generally of a (limited or unlimited) long space of time. The use of the word aion is determined very much by the O.T. and the LXX. Aion means "long distant uninterrupted time" in the past (Luke 1:10), as well as in the future (John 4:14).
Ellicott's Commentary on the Whole Bible (Matt. 25:46): Everlasting punishment-life eternal. The two adjectives represent the same Greek word, aionios-it must be admitted (1) that the Greek word which is rendered "eternal" does not, in itself, involve endlessness, but rather, duration, whether through an age or succession of ages, and that it is therefore applied in the N.T. to periods of time that have had both a beginning and ending (Rom. 16:25), where the Greek is "from aeonian times;" our version giving "since the world began." (Comp. 2 Tim. 1:9; Tit. 1:3) -strictly speaking, therefore, the word, as such, apart from its association with any qualifying substantive, implies a vast undefined duration, rather than one in the full sense of the word "infinite."
Triglot Dictionary of Representative Words in Hebrew, Greek and English [this dictionary lists the words in this order: English, Greek, Hebrew] (p. 122): Eternal (see age-lasting). (p. 6): English: age-lasting; Greek, aionios; Hebrew, le-olam.
Again, if 'everlasting' means what you say it does, then you can't change what it means when it says what you disagree with.
The Greek word is the same in all the examples I gave. They prove you to be wrong. I can stick by what 'everlasting' means in the Bible wherever it is used. You, however, must perform a dog and pony show to somehow change the meaning to your approval. Also called bs.
Quantrill
No, that Body was 100% human as Jesus was 100 % human. Jesus was both 100% Man and 100% God. The God/Man.
After His resurrection Jesus could conceal Who He was to whomever He wanted to. That doesn't take away from His being Man and His resurrected Body being a human body.
Jesus was always a Servant, The Servant. Not just after death.
Quantrill
Does she?
And yet everyone knows that Jesus is what divides the Christians from the Jews. That’s the division he brought.
Your silly and self serving interpretation? Not so much.
I mean does she believe she has eternal life?
According to FoghornLeghorn there is no eternal life. 'Everlasting does not mean everlasting'.
Quantrill
No. Christians separated from both Jesus and Judaism as soon as Paul went spewing his nonsense in full spate.
It had always been since Jesus was alive a matter of intelligent and dedicate Jewish people trying to discern the will of God through rational thought and arguments that persist to this day. Is Kosher Law about food or is it outdated, relevant to people who lived long ago. Is the subject of flesh in kosher law teaching, as Jesus implied by saying, "eat my flesh"? YES. This will always be relevant to humanity and never become obsolete instruction.
Here is the wisdom of God. You are the perfect example of a person who has set aside that instruction. Its scary.
Similar threads
- Poll
- Poll
New Topics
-
The scale of the damage done to Iran so far, put into perspective.- Started by Anomalism
- Replies: 8
-
-
Turning Point USA college president resigns after racist text chat leaks- Started by C_Clayton_Jones
- Replies: 5
-
-
People in New York protesting Mamdani were met with counterprotesters who turned out to be Islamic terrorists.- Started by Votto
- Replies: 17
