Yet Another Thread On The Politics Forum About Climate Change. This One In FAVOR Of It

[saveliberty]

What, nothing about fags? What a loser

It was a gay polar bear. You happy now?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Prelude/Reboot

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OK folks. I'm tired of the bullshit. DOZENS of anti-climate change "science" based threads where broad generalizations supposedly refuting climate change as a legitimate phenomenon clog the politics forum. Yet when I made a thread supporting climate change as a real thing....WHAM...into the "environmental forum" it went.

So I came to the boards today to find this on the politics forum: What Passes for Science in Leftist Land: 12 Year Olds Changing Environmental Laws

So in the interest of fair play and free speech; and the ability to refute or rebut the argument WHERE IT EXISTS...and not behind bars somewhere in tiny cell, I DEMAND this thread STAY on the politics forum until such time as ALL threads discussing the ins and outs of science related to climate change are REMOVED and put ALSO in the "environment forum".

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As the atmosphere, which acts like a shield and blanket at the same time, begins to disappear from destructive chemical reactions caused by things men are doing on the earth's surface, you would expect colder winters as CLIMATE CHANGE continues (not "Warming" per se)

In the Winter, with a thinner "blanket" you would expect colder-colds. In the Summer, guess what we find? Warmer warms as the shield function of our atmosphere thins.

I guess some people think it's fun to look at climate change like an infant. That way the pesky little details of what's actually happening can be denied. That way, industry doesn't have to encounter the hassles and expense of complying with global climate practices aimed at saving our planet. The simple minded greedy apes just want their bunches of bananas. They don't want to hear about the inconvenient details of how their greed is destroying their home.

"But for awhile there we were having much cooler Summers than normal!"..

Yes, yes we were. Again, climate change deniers will have to stretch their taxed little brains further to understand the "silly" science behind all the mystery.

Water, which is also ice, which makes up the ice caps on both poles of our planet, is a funny element. It has what is known in chemistry as a "high specific heat". What that means is, that it takes a lot of energy to change it from a solid to a liquid, a liquid to a gas, or a gas to a plasma. Many other compounds or elements do not need as much heat as water to do this. As an element or molecule, like water, approaches a phase change from solid ice to liquid water, it takes on the most energy in the form of heat to complete the phase change.

So, to put that in layman's terms, while the Summer's were cooler, the ice caps' acceleration in melting were "stealing the heat" from the atmosphere....which we all felt on our skins as "a cooler Summer". "So climate change isn't really happening!!" Except that it is. Just not the neat little way that most minds would like to box it in.

Do three experiments at home that will help you understand the full scope of how our climate is changing for the worse as far as organic life is concerned.

1. The ice cube experiment. Put an ice chunk on the counter in a warm home. Hold your hand away from it. Then hold your hand near it. As your hand comes near to it, but doesn't actually touch it, you will feel cold. That is because as the ice melts, it is stealing heat from the immediate surroundings, including your hand as it approaches. Put a fan behind the ice chunk next. Place your hand in front of the stream of air blowing past the chunk. You'll notice cold too; and this will accelerate the melting of the ice. This is how the warmer wind functions blowing across the ice caps in Summer. The size of the ice caps are their ability to make the "false cool Summers" more noticeable. As they shrink in size, these cool Summers will not be felt as widely.

2. The atmosphere "blanket" test. Now that it's Winter, you can go outside and try this simple test. Take a thick warm blanket outside and cover yourself with it as you sit for awhile in a chair. Then, take it off and replace it with a sheet. Sit for the same amount of time. Which is colder? The thinner sheet mimics the thinning atmosphere and the colder Winters showing up as the earth's climate change.

3. The atmosphere "shield" test. In Summer, go out in the middle of July on a sunny day and sit under a solid type of shelter from the sun for awhile. Then, sit under an opaque or semi-clear piece of corrugated roofing. Or just directly in the sun without any shield. Which is hotter?

For extra credit, the Winter solstice (shortest day) is near. On that day, should the sun be shining, take an automobile headlamp reflector, remove the bulb exposing just the bulb clip. Using a pair of welding glasses for safety, place a piece of paper or a small dry piece of wood in the clip. Aim the reflector directly at the sun, even later in the day if you like. DO NOT look directly at the center of the reflector or anywhere near it, even with welding glasses. It will be at its weakest and lowest potential of energy for the entire year. Wait several seconds until the wood or paper catches fire. Douse quickly with water you have nearby.

This extra credit is the key to solving both our energy crises AND climate change. The less we damage our atmosphere with chemicals related to the petroleum industry and relying on it to give us energy, the more we can slow down the damage to everything; not the least of which, ourselves.

 

[Silhouette]

I explained to the polar bear it was climate change and people had nothing to do with it. He seemed okay with that.

Well that's the thing. Polar bears didn't take chemistry in college like I did. Neither did most of the posters here at USMB I'll wager. It was a brutal class. A full half the class failed it. Luckily I was in the top part that passed.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

Because page 1 has no facts and thus should not be feared.

Then why advocate it be moved while others anti climate change all get to stay? Do you have a monopoly on truth and/or free speech to oppose your stance? You're definitely afraid of something if you want this thread moved and all the others to stay. Propaganda for BigOil much?

Pupps never said that the thread should be moved. Pupps personal preference would be that your entire account be nuked with malice aforethought.

 

[Silhouette]

Because page 1 has no facts and thus should not be feared.

Then why advocate it be moved while others anti climate change all get to stay? Do you have a monopoly on truth and/or free speech to oppose your stance? You're definitely afraid of something if you want this thread moved and all the others to stay. Propaganda for BigOil much?

Pupps never said that the thread should be moved. Pupps personal preference would be that your entire account be nuked with malice aforethought.

Again, "why?" if you're thinking the first page is nothing but rubbish. Seems something non-threatening shouldn't be worth your time. You speak of yourself in the third person. Are you a sock?

 

[saveliberty]

I explained to the polar bear it was climate change and people had nothing to do with it. He seemed okay with that.

Well that's the thing. Polar bears didn't take chemistry in college like I did. Neither did most of the posters here at USMB I'll wager. It was a brutal class. A full half the class failed it. Luckily I was in the top part that passed.

Did you see many polar bears in Physics classes or did they stick to Zoology? What the Hell were standard scores for polar bear admission at your college?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Well when those people change their lifestyles to reflect that let us know.

Exactly. All the doomsdayers do is fly place to place in private jets and go back to their 12,000 sq ft mansions to tell the little people their carbon footprint is too big, they need to pay more taxes.

 

[Silhouette]

Polar bears probably understand the science behind climate change more than the paid professionals working for BigOil whose job it is to come to websites like these and harass moderators to stuff any legitimate looking science SUPPORTING climate change into one of their little-trafficked sub-forums.

 

[saveliberty]

Polar bears probably understand the science behind climate change more than the paid professionals working for BigOil whose job it is to come to websites like these and harass moderators to stuff any legitimate looking science SUPPORTING climate change into one of their little-trafficked sub-forums.

You should know, seeing as you went to college with them and all...

 

[Weatherman2020]

I explained to the polar bear it was climate change and people had nothing to do with it. He seemed okay with that.

Well that's the thing. Polar bears didn't take chemistry in college like I did. Neither did most of the posters here at USMB I'll wager. It was a brutal class. A full half the class failed it. Luckily I was in the top part that passed.

Did you see many polar bears in Physics classes or did they stick to Zoology? What the Hell were standard scores for polar bear admission at your college?

Stop making fun of polar bears. They are drowning because of your carbon footprint.

 

[cnm]

Nothing anyone does on Earth is going to change weather long term.

There's a reason invincible ignorance is called that.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If you don't believe the atomosphere is thinning...take it from NASA. It is.

Models predict that emissions of carbon dioxide are causing the upper atmosphere to cool and contract, and therefore reduce the density of gases in the layer spanning from 90 to 649 km (60 to 400 miles) above the surface—known as the thermosphere. According to a study by the Naval Research Laboratory, the density of the thermosphere has decreased about 10 percent over the last 35 years. NASA Visible Earth: Thinning Upper Atmosphere

And it's not getting any better as the years go by without carbon emissions coming into check.

Remember the thin vs thick blanket experiment?

1. If climate change is real, why are we having record cold Winters!! A: Because a thinner blanket means you get colder without that protection from the freezing temperatures of space around the earth.

2. If climate change is real, why did we get a few cooler Summers awhile back!? A: Because of the ice cube experiment in the OP.

3. I HAVE noticed a slightly hotter feel to the sun in Summer, and my tender ornamental plants are getting bleaching and scorching on the tips of their leaves. A: Yes, because that thinning is letting more dangerous UV radiation on your skin and your plants. My advice is, stay out of the sun and watch the UV index on days when it's high. That's NASA telling you "you're under a dangerously thin part of the atmosphere today". Listen to them.

Thinner atmosphere is trapping more heat...er, or something

I don't take AGW "Science" seriously because the AGW cult just makes up new "Facts" to fit their failed theory

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

Because page 1 has no facts and thus should not be feared.

Then why advocate it be moved while others anti climate change all get to stay? Do you have a monopoly on truth and/or free speech to oppose your stance? You're definitely afraid of something if you want this thread moved and all the others to stay. Propaganda for BigOil much?

Pupps never said that the thread should be moved. Pupps personal preference would be that your entire account be nuked with malice aforethought.

Again, "why?" if you're thinking the first page is nothing but rubbish. Seems something non-threatening shouldn't be worth your time. You speak of yourself in the third person. Are you a sock?

No, Pupps is Pupps. How long have been a whining college drop out afraid of the weather?

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Prelude/Reboot

****************
OK folks. I'm tired of the bullshit. DOZENS of anti-climate change "science" based threads where broad generalizations supposedly refuting climate change as a legitimate phenomenon clog the politics forum. Yet when I made a thread supporting climate change as a real thing....WHAM...into the "environmental forum" it went.

So I came to the boards today to find this on the politics forum: What Passes for Science in Leftist Land: 12 Year Olds Changing Environmental Laws

So in the interest of fair play and free speech; and the ability to refute or rebut the argument WHERE IT EXISTS...and not behind bars somewhere in tiny cell, I DEMAND this thread STAY on the politics forum until such time as ALL threads discussing the ins and outs of science related to climate change are REMOVED and put ALSO in the "environment forum".

************

As the atmosphere, which acts like a shield and blanket at the same time, begins to disappear from destructive chemical reactions caused by things men are doing on the earth's surface, you would expect colder winters as CLIMATE CHANGE continues (not "Warming" per se)

In the Winter, with a thinner "blanket" you would expect colder-colds. In the Summer, guess what we find? Warmer warms as the shield function of our atmosphere thins.

I guess some people think it's fun to look at climate change like an infant. That way the pesky little details of what's actually happening can be denied. That way, industry doesn't have to encounter the hassles and expense of complying with global climate practices aimed at saving our planet. The simple minded greedy apes just want their bunches of bananas. They don't want to hear about the inconvenient details of how their greed is destroying their home.

"But for awhile there we were having much cooler Summers than normal!"..

Yes, yes we were. Again, climate change deniers will have to stretch their taxed little brains further to understand the "silly" science behind all the mystery.

Water, which is also ice, which makes up the ice caps on both poles of our planet, is a funny element. It has what is known in chemistry as a "high specific heat". What that means is, that it takes a lot of energy to change it from a solid to a liquid, a liquid to a gas, or a gas to a plasma. Many other compounds or elements do not need as much heat as water to do this. As an element or molecule, like water, approaches a phase change from solid ice to liquid water, it takes on the most energy in the form of heat to complete the phase change.

So, to put that in layman's terms, while the Summer's were cooler, the ice caps' acceleration in melting were "stealing the heat" from the atmosphere....which we all felt on our skins as "a cooler Summer". "So climate change isn't really happening!!" Except that it is. Just not the neat little way that most minds would like to box it in.

Do three experiments at home that will help you understand the full scope of how our climate is changing for the worse as far as organic life is concerned.

1. The ice cube experiment. Put an ice chunk on the counter in a warm home. Hold your hand away from it. Then hold your hand near it. As your hand comes near to it, but doesn't actually touch it, you will feel cold. That is because as the ice melts, it is stealing heat from the immediate surroundings, including your hand as it approaches. Put a fan behind the ice chunk next. Place your hand in front of the stream of air blowing past the chunk. You'll notice cold too; and this will accelerate the melting of the ice. This is how the warmer wind functions blowing across the ice caps in Summer. The size of the ice caps are their ability to make the "false cool Summers" more noticeable. As they shrink in size, these cool Summers will not be felt as widely.

2. The atmosphere "blanket" test. Now that it's Winter, you can go outside and try this simple test. Take a thick warm blanket outside and cover yourself with it as you sit for awhile in a chair. Then, take it off and replace it with a sheet. Sit for the same amount of time. Which is colder? The thinner sheet mimics the thinning atmosphere and the colder Winters showing up as the earth's climate change.

3. The atmosphere "shield" test. In Summer, go out in the middle of July on a sunny day and sit under a solid type of shelter from the sun for awhile. Then, sit under an opaque or semi-clear piece of corrugated roofing. Or just directly in the sun without any shield. Which is hotter?

For extra credit, the Winter solstice (shortest day) is near. On that day, should the sun be shining, take an automobile headlamp reflector, remove the bulb exposing just the bulb clip. Using a pair of welding glasses for safety, place a piece of paper or a small dry piece of wood in the clip. Aim the reflector directly at the sun, even later in the day if you like. DO NOT look directly at the center of the reflector or anywhere near it, even with welding glasses. It will be at its weakest and lowest potential of energy for the entire year. Wait several seconds until the wood or paper catches fire. Douse quickly with water you have nearby.

This extra credit is the key to solving both our energy crises AND climate change. The less we damage our atmosphere with chemicals related to the petroleum industry and relying on it to give us energy, the more we can slow down the damage to everything; not the least of which, ourselves.

Your OP was way too long to read, so I just assume it was all wrong. Brrrr, it's cold today. When the hell is this planet going to heat up enough that I don't have to wear a jacket or pay to heat my home. Come on Al Gore, crank the heat up in your mansions and let's get this global warming kick started.

 

[Silhouette]

Your OP was way too long to read, so I just assume it was all wrong. Brrrr, it's cold today. When the hell is this planet going to heat up enough that I don't have to wear a jacket or pay to heat my home. Come on Al Gore, crank the heat up in your mansions and let's get this global warming kick started.

Well if you weren't a buck toothed moron, you'd have read that our thermosphere is thinning in the upper atmosphere, and so, a thinner insulation makes your house feel hotter in Summer and colder in Winter.

 

[Coyote]

Thread closed. This thread already exists in environment. Please do not repost moved threads.

Edited to add: most of the time threads involving climate change - specifically the science of it pro and con get moved to Environment. That's the place to discuss it. Sometimes a thread is old and well established. We don't tend to move those - it's our own fault for missing it. Sometimes the threads are really more political - for instance they discuss specific legislation rather than climate change pro/con itself. We usually leave those.

If a you think a thread should be moved to enviro then report it, don't start a thread around it.

Thank you.