Yes, I'm a Conservative, But SOME Rent Control IS Necesary

[protectionist]

that is the typical hypocritical 'conservative'.

Stay on topic, or get lost.

 

[boedicca]

I live in an apartment complex, that recently was bought by a new landlord. That landlord has been increasing expired lease rents by as much as 60%. Imagine that your rent is $600/month and suddenly it's damn near $1,000/month.

Whoa! For low income seniors on Social Security and small pensions, this aint gonna fly. Actually, younger people still in the workforce with higher incomes, aren't taking to well to it either. Practically everybody in this complex is moving out. Some people are moving in and paying the higher rents, but not as many as are moving out. I've never seen so many moving vans in my life.

Next May, I will be moving out too, and still haven't figured out where to move to. I have limitations because of a low credit score and income, but I'll find someplace, even if it's not as good as where I am now.

All this is because Florida has no limit of what landlords can raise rents to. The only thing limiting them is new residents' capability to pay, and what they are able to rent apartments for.

But there is another side to this, This isn't oil or minerals mined from the ground. It's not furniture being made and sold. This is about PEOPLE. And it's about people who have been living in this complex for years, and these apartments are their HOMES. One woman who just moved out, had been living here for 25 years. Longtime neighbor-friendships are being obliterated.

If landlords NEED to raise rents, (say 10% or less) for some reason, that's understandable, but to raise them by HUNDREDS of dollars, just for GREED, is not what we ought to be OK with in this country. When hundreds of people are forced out of their homes, this is unacceptable. As is the case with most conservatives, I also favor deregulation of business, but this is one case that is screaming for MORE regulation, to a reasonable degree.

Rent control just curtails the supply of rental property, and leads to deteriorating conditions. The only people who benefit are the ones who are already in an apartment, which ends of being a taking as the owner's rights are destroyed.

 

[protectionist]

If you move to S.C., I recommend an English-to-Hick dictionary. Or master the seven basic grunts so you can effectively communicate

More geographic bigotry. These South Carolinians could out debate you in a minute.

 

[protectionist]

When government artificially controls things like wages, and prices BAD things happen. Let the market work. Move to a less expensive apartment.

You wanna pay my moving costs ?

Sure, I'll let the market work. But not in every case. Not where hundreds of people's lives are being damaged.

 

[boedicca]

When government artificially controls things like wages, and prices BAD things happen. Let the market work. Move to a less expensive apartment.

You wanna pay my moving costs ?

Sure, I'll let the market work. But not in every case. Not where hundreds of people's lives are being damaged.

So you insist that other people support you.

Got it.

 

[protectionist]

You've taken the first steps towards common sense and liberalism.

Congratulations.

Not hardly. I spent 40 years being liberal. Not going backwards. Conservatives are for business regulation, but not to extreme degrees. Everything has limits.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

When the little one bedroom cottage I was renting was sold the new owners had a talk with me. I was told that I was paying $500.00 a month. But 3 Mexican families would move in there each paying $500.00 a month. I could come up with $1,500 a month or move.

I moved.

 

[Penelope]

Johnson City Average Rent
As of October 2018, average rent for an apartment in Johnson City, TN is $1002 which is a 27.74% increase from last year when the average rent was $724 , and a 0.9% increase from last month when the average rent was $993.

One bedroom apartments in Johnson City rent for $761 a month on average (a 17.61% increase from last year) and two bedroom apartment rents average $1033 (a 29.04% increase from last year).
Average Rent In Johnson City, Johnson City Rent Trends and Rental Comps

I've looked at the prices of dozens of apartments and homes in Johnson City, They are Waaaay below what you describe. You are looking at somebody's analytical numbers (however obtained). I'm looking at actual apartment complexes and houses being rented, and sold, right now, complete with photographs.
I could post hem here now if anyone was interested.

I will take your word for it.

 

[boedicca]

You've taken the first steps towards common sense and liberalism.

Congratulations.

Not hardly. I spent 40 years being liberal. Not going backwards. Conservatives are for business regulation, but not to extreme degrees. Everything has limits.

Not all regulation is ethically equivalent. Proper regulations ensure a free market of safe goods and services (i.e., we know what we are buying). Rental control is not a proper regulation - it is a transfer payment of wealth from the owner to the renter. It's rather disingenuous of you to call it "regulation" when it's actually getting the government to mug someone on your behalf.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

I live in an apartment complex, that recently was bought by a new landlord. That landlord has been increasing expired lease rents by as much as 60%. Imagine that your rent is $600/month and suddenly it's damn near $1,000/month.

Whoa! For low income seniors on Social Security and small pensions, this aint gonna fly. Actually, younger people still in the workforce with higher incomes, aren't taking to well to it either. Practically everybody in this complex is moving out. Some people are moving in and paying the higher rents, but not as many as are moving out. I've never seen so many moving vans in my life.

Next May, I will be moving out too, and still haven't figured out where to move to. I have limitations because of a low credit score and income, but I'll find someplace, even if it's not as good as where I am now.

All this is because Florida has no limit of what landlords can raise rents to. The only thing limiting them is new residents' capability to pay, and what they are able to rent apartments for.

But there is another side to this, This isn't oil or minerals mined from the ground. It's not furniture being made and sold. This is about PEOPLE. And it's about people who have been living in this complex for years, and these apartments are their HOMES. One woman who just moved out, had been living here for 25 years. Longtime neighbor-friendships are being obliterated.

If landlords NEED to raise rents, (say 10% or less) for some reason, that's understandable, but to raise them by HUNDREDS of dollars, just for GREED, is not what we ought to be OK with in this country. When hundreds of people are forced out of their homes, this is unacceptable. As is the case with most conservatives, I also favor deregulation of business, but this is one case that is screaming for MORE regulation, to a reasonable degree.

Lets see 20 illegals renting at $200 per head a month on a two bedroom house that I bought for 22,000 might just work if I can increase it to $600.00 a month per person.

 

[debbiedowner]

You are a conservative, but....

lol

But you have railed in favor of the federal gov't taking over major league baseball.
You want people arrested for calling you a "dumbass".
You want people arrested if they don't stand for the anthem.
And you want rent control.

And those are just SOME of the views you have raved about.

But for some reason he doesn't approve of capitalism and the apparent conservative landlord, go figure. To top it off uses the socialistic VA. WTF I thought you only get rent control if you're a democrat.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

It's as bad as Johnson City more better places to go.

What's wrong with Johnson City ? They have a VA hospital. That's important to me. Have a little snow at Christmas time. Orange leaves in fall. Real seasons.

Lower temperatures, and no alligators.

Have Walmart, Taco bell, Burger King, I don't need much more.

How is it for illegals?

 

[playtime]

what do you expect when a brain surgeon who turned down the position to be sec of HHS because it was 'too complicated' (ironically though he ran for potus) then accepts the position of sec of HUD? what qualifications did he possess to be considered for such a position? cause he had the right 'look'?

trump has installed the most incompetent individuals to head every dept in order to destroy them. betsy devos for ed sec? scott pruitt & now his replacement for sec of EPA?

what did you expect was gonna happen?

And the new Medicaid Secretary sought to end Medicaid in her state of Maine.

Well thanks to Commie Care, I no longer have health insurance. But my HUD neighbors living in the suburbs next to me are likely covered by Medicaid. While I get up early every morning and go to work, their cars stay in their parking lot until about 1:00 pm.

I don't care about people on Medicaid because working people should be attended to first--not the not working or low income people. I contribute much more to society than they do, yet they get free medical care and I don't.

That's liberalism for ya.

that's why universal healthcare is the way to go.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

Do you have friends up there?

Nope, but I play Bluegrass music. It's easy to make friends when you're a Bluegrasser, as long as there are other ones around. Not many here in Tampa.

Don't live in suitcase city is down hill from there.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You've taken the first steps towards common sense and liberalism.

Congratulations.

Not hardly. I spent 40 years being liberal. Not going backwards. Conservatives are for business regulation, but not to extreme degrees. Everything has limits.

Not all regulation is ethically equivalent. Proper regulations ensure a free market of safe goods and services (i.e., we know what we are buying). Rental control is not a proper regulation - it is a transfer payment of wealth from the owner to the renter. It's rather disingenuous of you to call it "regulation" when it's actually getting the government to mug someone on your behalf.

That is correct. I never purchased rental property as a social obligation. I purchased rental property so that I could collect rent and eventually have my property paid off by the time I retire. If any government turns my investment into a social obligation, it's time to get out.

We landlords suffered for years during the housing bubble because many potential renters were buying homes for 0 down and no credit checks. We were actually in a price war just to attract any possible tenants. You didn't have much of a choice either. Some of the email replies I received I could barely understand. These people wrote like five year olds.

But you had to take a chance at lousy tenants or have no tenants at all. We were scraping the bottom of the barrel and losing money at the same time. It was awful.

But nobody suggested help for us by the government. Hey! You decided to invest in real estate, you take the good with the bad. If you lose your ass, too bad. That's the chance you took.

 

[protectionist]

Of course. It effects you. So we just regulate.

The problem that you assholes have is that you don't have empathy for others. Nor do you understand that regulations on capitalism have helped you indirectly for your entire fucking selfish lives.

Your problem is you look at a few bad conservatives and then decide all are like that. And then look at you look at a few good liberals and then think all of them are like that.

When you want to do a thread on empathy, let me know, and I'll join in and we can talk about your feelings toward the millions of low wage (mostly minorities) American workers having their jobs taken away by illegal aliens. And the thousands of family members of Americans killed by illegal aliens, whom your liberal pals protect in sanctuary cities.

And you tell us about how much "empathy" you have for business owners deprived of hundreds of Billions$$ in sales, because of immigrants' remittances. I could go on, but this will be enough.

 

[WinterBorn]

Having to Decide between Alabama, South Carolina and Tennessee.... great planning

Red state paradise.

I'm just shocked they haven't tried to sing the praises of Arkansas or Mississippi; yet. True story. I have pretty much decided that if we make a forage into a new place, we try to stay at Hyatt Hotels. I trust them (barely) to be pretty consistent in terms of cleanliness and service. Anyway....one of the things that I'm looking into was the Air BNB market as an alternative to hotels. Haven't done it yet but am interested. The Air BNB rentals for 3 days in some parts of Tennessee and northern Mississippi were cheaper than the Hyatt in Memphis. I could imagine what the houses looked like.

You mean beautiful antebellum homes with friendly, gracious hosts? Yeah, that would be tough.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

what do you expect when a brain surgeon who turned down the position to be sec of HHS because it was 'too complicated' (ironically though he ran for potus) then accepts the position of sec of HUD? what qualifications did he possess to be considered for such a position? cause he had the right 'look'?

trump has installed the most incompetent individuals to head every dept in order to destroy them. betsy devos for ed sec? scott pruitt & now his replacement for sec of EPA?

what did you expect was gonna happen?

And the new Medicaid Secretary sought to end Medicaid in her state of Maine.

Well thanks to Commie Care, I no longer have health insurance. But my HUD neighbors living in the suburbs next to me are likely covered by Medicaid. While I get up early every morning and go to work, their cars stay in their parking lot until about 1:00 pm.

I don't care about people on Medicaid because working people should be attended to first--not the not working or low income people. I contribute much more to society than they do, yet they get free medical care and I don't.

That's liberalism for ya.

that's why universal healthcare is the way to go.

No, that's why government should stay out of the private market. That's the way to go.

 

[protectionist]

Quit renting and throwing away money. Buy a house. My house note is 485 a month and that includes full insurance coverage on a 3 bedroom, 2 bath brick home on over an acre of land with a dozen huge oak trees and it's on a recently repaved road. Oh yea, and that rate is locked in. I have a little piece of paper that guarantees that rate for the life of the loan. And paying more than the required amount will pay off the house sooner.

How much did you have to pay up front ? What was your credit score ?

 

[protectionist]

Nope. A level playing field is what liberalism is all about.

With the whole world.