WWII poster

[Iriemon]

A poster from WWII.

Not really politically correct today in some circles.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

A poster from WWII.

Not really politically correct in some circles today.

Ahh yes comparing us to the Nazis. Be so kind as to point out the MILLIONS of murdered civilians, the millions more in concentration camps. Or the MILLIONS of dead soldiers. Germany was a mass murder machine that conducted experiments on live prisoners and civilians with out any drugs for fun and to test pet theories.

Yup we are JUST like them, at least according to you dumb ass Liberals that think scaring someone into talking without even threatening their life is a form of torture similar to Nazi German.

 

[Iriemon]

A poster from WWII.

Not really politically correct in some circles today.

Ahh yes comparing us to the Nazis. Be so kind as to point out the MILLIONS of murdered civilians, the millions more in concentration camps. Or the MILLIONS of dead soldiers. Germany was a mass murder machine that conducted experiments on live prisoners and civilians with out any drugs for fun and to test pet theories.

Yup we are JUST like them, at least according to you dumb ass Liberals that think scaring someone into talking without even threatening their life is a form of torture similar to Nazi German.

The poster says torture is the method of our enemies, not mass murder. But there probably was one about that too.

 

[Truthmatters]

PolitiFact | History supports McCain's stance on waterboarding

we executed Japanese for waterboarding after WWII

 

[RetiredGySgt]

PolitiFact | History supports McCain's stance on waterboarding

we executed Japanese for waterboarding after WWII

Prove it. Prove we executed Japanese officers just for water boarding, then prove that their method was the same as ours and that they had competent medical people standing by to ENSURE no harm came to the prisoner.

Other wise I am tired of a story that provides no evidence.

 

[Iriemon]

PolitiFact | History supports McCain's stance on waterboarding

we executed Japanese for waterboarding after WWII

Yeah, I'd like to see proof too.

McCain didn't say that. I've shown a couple times now with cites to sources that Japanese who were convicted for waterboarding were sentenced to 15 years hard labor.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/1175155-post446.html

Yet you keep making this unsubstantiated claim that they were executed for it.

 

[Truthmatters]

In a recent journal essay, Judge Evan Wallach, a member of the U.S. Court of International Trade and an adjunct professor in the law of war, writes that the testimony from American soldiers about this form of torture was gruesome and convincing. A number of the Japanese soldiers convicted by American judges were hanged, while others received lengthy prison sentences or time in labor camps.

 

[Iriemon]

In a recent journal essay, Judge Evan Wallach, a member of the U.S. Court of International Trade and an adjunct professor in the law of war, writes that the testimony from American soldiers about this form of torture was gruesome and convincing. A number of the Japanese soldiers convicted by American judges were hanged, while others received lengthy prison sentences or time in labor camps.

That is all true. But nothing I've seen shows any were hung solely for waterboarding.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Just as soon as you provide evidence water boarding as practiced by the US killed people we can have another conversation.

 

[Iriemon]

Just as soon as you provide evidence water boarding as practiced by the US killed people we can have another conversation.

Your point is torture is fine as long as it does kill someone?

Not according to the US Govt in WWII.

 

[Yurt]

PolitiFact | History supports McCain's stance on waterboarding

we executed Japanese for waterboarding after WWII

how many times do you have to be called to the floor for this flagrant lie....

your own link says it was NOT solely for waterboarding you lying hack

 

[Xenophon]

Using WWII is a bad idea.

The USA committed a number of war crimes and atrocities during the war.

One of the best known is this:

Battle of the Bismarck Sea

Against the rules of warfare, in violation of the Hague convention, the US gunned down the survivors and men in the water after the Japanese ships were sunk.

Thousands of helpless japanese were murdered in violation of the rules of war.

No trial was ever held for Kenny or Macarthur, the two men who carried this massacre out.

So please, spare us the torture posters, we did not fight a morally superior war with japan, we got down and dirty and did what had to be done.

Just like Chimpy did actually.

 

[Iriemon]

Using WWII is a bad idea.

The USA committed a number of war crimes and atrocities during the war.

One of the best known is this:

Battle of the Bismarck Sea

Against the rules of warfare, in violation of the Hague convention, the US gunned down the survivors and men in the water after the Japanese ships were sunk.

Thousands of helpless japanese were murdered in violation of the rules of war.

No trial was ever held for Kenny or Macarthur, the two men who carried this massacre out.

So please, spare us the torture posters, we did not fight a morally superior war with japan, we got down and dirty and did what had to be done.

Just like Chimpy did actually.

There's a lot more:

Allied war crimes during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So your point is that if the US was hypocritical then its ok to be hypocritical now?

Or is it that because we did it then, we should give up even the pretense of saying it is wrong now?

 

[editec]

In a recent journal essay, Judge Evan Wallach, a member of the U.S. Court of International Trade and an adjunct professor in the law of war, writes that the testimony from American soldiers about this form of torture was gruesome and convincing. A number of the Japanese soldiers convicted by American judges were hanged, while others received lengthy prison sentences or time in labor camps.

That is all true. But nothing I've seen shows any were hung solely for waterboarding.

I cannot find particulars about what forms of torture the Japanese were charged with either.

In fact the seem to have charged them for any form of torture without bothering to describe it.

(See emboldened from source)

In the promotion and accomplishment of that scheme, these defendants, taking advantage of their power and their official positions and their own personal prestige and influence, intended to and did plan, prepare, initiate, or wage aggressive war

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against the United States of America, the Republic of China, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the Commonwealth of Australia, Canada, the Republic fo France, the Kingdom of the Netherlands, New Zealand, India, the Commonwealth of the Philippines, and other peaceful nations, in violation of international law, as well as in violation of sacred treaty commitments, obligations and assurances; such plan contemplated and carried out the violation of recognized customs and conventions of war by murdering, maiming and ill-treating prisoners of war, civilian internees, and persons on the high seas, denying them adequate food, shelter, clothing, medical care, or other appropriate attention, forcing them to labour under inhumane conditions, and subjecting them to indignities; exploit to Japan's benefit the manpower and economic resources of the vanquished nations, plundering public and private property, wantonly destroying cities, towns and villages beyond any justification of military necessity; perpetrate mass murder, rape, pillage, brigandage, torture, and other barbaric cruelties upon the helpless civilian population of the overrun countries; increase the influence and control of the military and naval groups over Japanese government officials and agencies; psychologically prepare Japanese public opinion for aggressive warfare by establishing so-called Assistance Societies, teaching nationalistic policies of expansion, disseminating war propaganda, and exercising strict
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control over the press and radio; set up "puppet" governments in conquered countries; conclude military alliances with Germany and Italy to enhance by military might Japan's programme of expansion.

Therefore, the above named Nations by their undersigned representatives, duly appointed to represent their respective Governments in the investigation of the charges against and the prosecution of the Major War Criminals, pursuant to the Potsdam Declaration of the 20th [sic] July, 1945, and the Instrument of Surrender of the 2ndSeptember 1945, and the Charter of the Tribunal, hereby accuse as guilty, in the respects hereinafter set forth, of Crimes against Peace, War Crimes, and Crimes against Humanity, and of Common Plans or Conspiracies to commit these Crimes, all as defined in the Charter of the Tribunal, and accordingly name as Defendants in this cause and as indicated on the Counts hereinafter set out in which their names respectively appear, all the above-named individuals.
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[Skull Pilot]

so according to that poster, even handcuffing someone is considered torture.

shit let's just empty ALL the prisons because we are obviously torturing every single incarcerated person because they were all handcuffed at some point.

 

[Xenophon]

There's a lot more:

Allied war crimes during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So your point is that if the US was hypocritical then its ok to be hypocritical now?

Or is it that because we did it then, we should give up even the pretense of saying it is wrong now?

The point should be obvious, that you showing a WWII propaganda poster has zero value as the USA was not fighting WWII morally.

 

[Skull Pilot]

There's a lot more:

Allied war crimes during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So your point is that if the US was hypocritical then its ok to be hypocritical now?

Or is it that because we did it then, we should give up even the pretense of saying it is wrong now?

The point should be obvious, that you showing a WWII propaganda poster has zero value as the USA was not fighting WWII morally.

we were fighting to win.....ahh the good old days.

 

[Iriemon]

There's a lot more:

Allied war crimes during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So your point is that if the US was hypocritical then its ok to be hypocritical now?

Or is it that because we did it then, we should give up even the pretense of saying it is wrong now?

The point should be obvious, that you showing a WWII propaganda poster has zero value as the USA was not fighting WWII morally.

The only obvious point is that there is a difference between the acts of some during war and approved national policy.

 

[Xenophon]

we were fighting to win.....ahh the good old days.

Exactly, and we would do whatever it took, be it roasting Japanese alive in caves, nuking cities, burning out entire cities, gunning down people in life boats, it didn't matter.

FDR would shake Bush's hand and say well done with the waterboarding.

After all, FDR put Americans in Concentration Camps, and they weren't even 'enemy combatents.'

 

[Xenophon]

The only obvious point is that there is a difference between the acts of some during war and approved national policy.

Don't be obtuse.

FDR would have done what Bush did or worse, bringing up WWII memories as a comparison does not work.