Zone1 This is Probably Biggest Difference of all Between Catholic and Protestant Bibles

[Dragonlady]

Sounds like a never-ending unforgiven guilt trip. I like repent better as it is supported by scripture and the Greek meaning of the word. Also, God forgives upon repentance. Penance really means that one trying to earn God's forgiveness.

It is and it’s designed to keep the European peasants from revolting against the nobility and seizing power and wealth for themselves. They’ll live good lives, work hard and obey their betters to earn their heavenly reward.

It was only after the invention of the printing press, when Bibles became universally available, and people realized what a con the Catholic Church truly had been. That all the Church truly cared about was wealth and power.

 

[Woodznutz]

It is and it’s designed to keep the European peasants from revolting against the nobility and seizing power and wealth for themselves. They’ll live good lives, work hard and obey their betters to earn their heavenly reward.

It was only after the invention of the printing press, when Bibles became universally available, and people realized what a con the Catholic Church truly had been. That all the Church truly cared about was wealth and power.

True. Rome had fit when the Bible was printed.

 

[Meriweather]

True. Rome had fit when the Bible was printed.

False.

 

[Dragonlady]

False.

I guess you missed the whole Reformation thing in history class. You may recall it was the reason why the Pilgrims left Europe in the first place - in order to have the freedom to worship as they saw fit.

It’s why Americans were suspicious of electing a Catholic President until Kennedy.

 

[Meriweather]

Here is what I didn't miss:

With the advent of the printing press, a new moneymaker was becoming a printer or a publisher or an editor. For these people, Biblical accuracy (not to mention translation reliability) were of no concern to printers, publishers, writers, and editors. Money was. The Catholic Church would not authenticate all versions--only those that met exact standards of accuracy and reliable translations. Are you aware that some publishers even skipped printing entire parts of the Bible so profit would be greater? They knew the average person would remain unaware their Bible was missing a couple of hundred pages.

If some of these authors, printers, editors, publishers, printers and the Catholic Church would not authenticate their version what would someone do to ensure their bottom line? Boost sales by claiming the Catholic Church did not want you reading the Bible.

Go back and do the research. The Catholic Church was already authenticating various translations of the Bible into local languages that were accurate.

 

[onefour1]

Penance and repentance are basically the exact same thing. Originally it was not a ritual but simply feeling sorry for your sins and forsaking them and requesting forgiveness from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[Picaro]

False.

Yes. In fact the current Pope and the future Pope were excited and thought it a wonderful book. The first were printed in Latin.

Enea Piccolomini Reports "The Sale of a Printed Bible" : History of Information

Enea Piccolomini Reports

www.historyofinformation.com

 

[Meriweather]

Penance and repentance are basically the exact same thing. Originally it was not a ritual but simply feeling sorry for your sins and forsaking them and requesting forgiveness from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

In the Catholic faith it was a lot more. Penance occurs after sins have been forgiven. They are acts to repair the harm that the sin committed and to re-establish the habits that are befitting a disciple of Christ. One of the consequences of sin is that it is easier to slide back into that sin again, which is why re-establishing Christian habits is helpful in avoiding that sin again.

Feelings are great in that they are pointing us in the direction that something went wrong and it needs to be righted; feelings alone are not enough.

 

[Picaro]

I guess you missed the whole Reformation thing in history class. You may recall it was the reason why the Pilgrims left Europe in the first place - in order to have the freedom to worship as they saw fit.

It’s why Americans were suspicious of electing a Catholic President until Kennedy.

I see it's obvious you have no idea what touched off the Reformation. That's because you were socially promoted through school and never had to learn any real history and rely on parroting commie narratives for everything.

 

[onefour1]

In the Catholic faith it was a lot more. Penance occurs after sins have been forgiven. They are acts to repair the harm that the sin committed and to re-establish the habits that are befitting a disciple of Christ. One of the consequences of sin is that it is easier to slide back into that sin again, which is why re-establishing Christian habits is helpful in avoiding that sin again.

Feelings are great in that they are pointing us in the direction that something went wrong and it needs to be righted; feelings alone are not enough.

true feelings alone are not enough. You should repent of your sin and forsake it and then the blood of the Lamb of God is all that is necessary to make things right. It is his forgiveness that makes things right again. Nothing more!

 

[Woodznutz]

Here is what I didn't miss:

With the advent of the printing press, a new moneymaker was becoming a printer or a publisher or an editor. For these people, Biblical accuracy (not to mention translation reliability) were of no concern to printers, publishers, writers, and editors. Money was. The Catholic Church would not authenticate all versions--only those that met exact standards of accuracy and reliable translations. Are you aware that some publishers even skipped printing entire parts of the Bible so profit would be greater? They knew the average person would remain unaware their Bible was missing a couple of hundred pages.

If some of these authors, printers, editors, publishers, printers and the Catholic Church would not authenticate their version what would someone do to ensure their bottom line? Boost sales by claiming the Catholic Church did not want you reading the Bible.

Go back and do the research. The Catholic Church was already authenticating various translations of the Bible into local languages that were accurate.

Second Opinion.

Was Bible possesion banned by the Catholic Church

The Catholic Church actually tried to stop laymen from possessing or reading the Bible on their own and this intensified through the Middle Ages and later, with the addition of a prohibition forbidding translation of the Bible into native languages. Many try to deny it, or say there is no proof...

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Wycliffe and Tyndale were particular targets of the RCC for translating the Bible into English. Hmmmm.

The RCC probably wouldn't have had a problem with a translation from Latin to English. However, the reformers translated it from the Hebrew and Greek.

 

[Woodznutz]

It is and it’s designed to keep the European peasants from revolting against the nobility and seizing power and wealth for themselves. They’ll live good lives, work hard and obey their betters to earn their heavenly reward.

It was only after the invention of the printing press, when Bibles became universally available, and people realized what a con the Catholic Church truly had been. That all the Church truly cared about was wealth and power.

True. The RCC is the richest and most powerful church in the world. That's what you think of when you think of the RCC.

 

[Picaro]

lol King James was a Catholic himself. You know, the guy who commissioned the KJV in English? lol

 

[Picaro]

Second Opinion.

Was Bible possesion banned by the Catholic Church

The Catholic Church actually tried to stop laymen from possessing or reading the Bible on their own and this intensified through the Middle Ages and later, with the addition of a prohibition forbidding translation of the Bible into native languages. Many try to deny it, or say there is no proof...

www.christianforums.com

Wycliffe and Tyndale were particular targets of the RCC for translating the Bible into English. Hmmmm.

The RCC probably wouldn't have had a problem with a translation from Latin to English. However, the reformers translated it from the Hebrew and Greek.

We can note those 'bans' were all by locals, not the Vatican.

 

[Meriweather]

Wycliffe and Tyndale were particular targets of the RCC for translating the Bible into English. Hmmmm.

The RCC probably wouldn't have had a problem with a translation from Latin to English. However, the reformers translated it from the Hebrew and Greek.

Wycliffe translated from the Latin.

 

[Woodznutz]

Wycliffe translated from the Latin.

Why did the RCC find that heretical?

 

[Dragonlady]

I see it's obvious you have no idea what touched off the Reformation. That's because you were socially promoted through school and never had to learn any real history and rely on parroting commie narratives for everything.

I see you get all of your exercise from jumping to conclusions. It takes a special kind of stupid to imagine what others know or are thinking, and you are that stupid.

The triggering event of the Reformation is less relevant than the reality that frustrations with the Vatican's power and political control of European Royalty had been building for centuries. The Popes openly played favourites among the crowned heads of Europe in their endless wars of power and territory, to the frustration of some, and the enrichment of others. Alliances and power shifted with marriages which were often openly promoted by the Pope to enhance his own personal power.

These kings and queens ruled their nations by Divine Right. They did not take kindly to the political meddling, favouritism, and currying favour with the Pope. When Bibles became available and people could see the blatant lies and manipulations of the RCC, the Reformation became inevitable. If Henry VIII hadn't kicked it off, some other confrontation would have. The Reformation would not have spread as widely or as quickly as it did if the entire continent wasn't ripe for change.

Why did the RCC find that heretical?

They could not control the middle class or elites any more. There is nothing about "confession", "penance", chanting rosary prayers, or the semi-deification of Saints in the Bible. In fact, the Bible specifically says that your prayers should not be directed through intermediaries, which would not only render prayers to saints useless, but in direct violation of Jesus' directive to go directly to God.

Jesus said "My Kingdom is not of this earth" and was purposefully apolitical. In historical terms, that is the reason for Judas' betrayal. Judas was a Zealot who thought Jesus would lead the insurrection against Rome. When Judas realized that Jesus wasn't that guy, he betrayed him to the Romans, at the time no realizing what he was doing.

 

[Z99]

Protestant Bibles have St Luke 13:3 speaking of repentance. The Catholic Bible uses the term doing penance. In the most reliable version of the Bible, the Douay Rheims, Jesus says

"Unless you do penance, you will all perish [in Hell]"

The Protestant Bibles just says "Unless you repent..."

So we see how it DOES make a big difference whether you are Catholic or Protestant.

Repenting is just the first step toward getting to Heaven. Doing penance means doing things that make up for the bad you've done.. and accepting sufferings as chastisement for sins.. you hit your thumb on a hammer.. you can offer that up to God in expiation of your serious sins. Someone on the internet is rude to you, ditto.. you can offer it to God in atonement for your sins.. (you will have no end of penances there!).. car breaks down.. ditto.

Then once you exhaust (or think you've exhausted) the list of your own sins, you can tackle the sins of others. The Virgin Mary appeared @ Fatima 1917 and told the children (and all of us) to offer sufferings for souls in mortal sin--on their way to Hell-- so that they will repent and not end up there.

I think the biggest difference is that Catholics view the Vatican as being the final authority whereas most other Christians view the Bible as the final authority, here on Earth, of course.

 

[forkintheroad7]

I think the biggest difference is that Catholics view the Vatican as being the final authority whereas most other Christians view the Bible as the final authority, here on Earth, of course.

Neither one is the final authority.

In an absolute sense (the only sense that matters) Jesus Christ Himself is the ultimate authority/Head of the Church, always. The Vatican hasn't been Catholic for over 60 years. It was taken over by Catholic-haters bent on destroying the Catholic Faith. That has not succeeded (or has only partially succeeded, that is) and never will--fully-- because Jesus said His Church would withstand the very gates of Hell (Mt 16:18).

Some theologians have said that the gates of Hell is Heresy, which makes sense. False beliefs ("you can sin all you want and still get to Heaven" [!!]) lead people to Hell..

And after 60 years of no united Catholic (original) Church, we've had so much heresy --and it's hideous consequences--that I am 99% convinced we are in the Last Days.

 

[forkintheroad7]

lol King James was a Catholic himself. You know, the guy who commissioned the KJV in English? lol

not true

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