Would you support this gun reform bill?

[Cellblock2429]

So you want to turn over price & control of guns to millionaire billionaire CEOs? Don't they own to much of everything already?

/----/ And WTF is wrong with millionaire billionaire CEOs? Yiou make it sound like they are diseased.

 

[Independentthinker]

I have an idea of a new gun reform bill which I feel would be a fair compromise between both sides of the issue.

The basically layout of the bill is as follows....

1; A complete ban on direct private person-to-person sales & the establishment of Firearms Brokerages.
Under this law, it would be illegal for a gun owner to sale their gun to another person. Instead, all private sales would be required to go through firearms brokerages. These would be private businesses which handle all private sales. They would handle background checks, would hold firearms during required waiting periods, etc. Brokerages would also keep records of all sales, and customers. They would have on record the name, address, and other information of any person who purchased a firearm. This information would only be made available to law enforcement or the government with a warrant signed by a judge.

2; A complete ban on all full auto weapons, and all attachments and modifications which allow a semi-auto weapon fire at a full auto or near full-auto rate. Possession of a functional full-auto weapon, except by military or law enforcement, or licensed private security firms would be a federal felony.

3; A ban on public carry of all firearms which are not properly holstered. In other words, no more carrying rifles and shotguns around. And no carrying sidearms unless they are in a proper holster. Again this wouldn't apply to on-duty law enforcement, military, or licensed private security firms who are actively performing their duties.

4; Active prosecution of any state or local clerks or officials who fail to properly log mental health or criminal histories into the federal background check database. Cases of neglect, would result in misdemeanor charges. Cases where a person is found to have intentionally refused to properly report this information would result in felony charges.

5; Automatic accomplice charges for all cases where a gun is knowingly sold to a criminal. What this means is that if a personally knowingly and intentionally sales a gun to a criminal, they will be automatically charged as accomplices to any crimes committed using that gun. If the criminal uses the gun to murder someone, the seller will be charged with murder.

6; No second amendment rights to any person who is a member of any organization which is designated as a terrorist group, a criminal organization, or is currently being investigated for a violent and/or gang related crime.

The problem isn't guns or gun laws. The problem is we let dangerous people run around loose who should have already been removed from society. Just recently in California they arrested a kid for posting on social media that he was going to shoot up a school. Duh, Someone finally figured out how to stop these things. Meanwhile, other morons are trying to pass "common sense" gun control laws where studies have already found that almost none of the mass shootings would have been stopped with those common sense gun control laws. People are also morons if they believe if the shooter couldn't get an AR then he would have decided not to shoot anyone up and watch I Love Lucy reruns instead. How assininely naive. He would have still done the mass shooting AR or not.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

that's why they need dead people.

In Chicago, that's an important voter demographic for the Democraps.

 

[jc456]

In Chicago, that's an important voter demographic for the Democraps.

It appears nationwide

 

[Pellinore]

I have an idea of a new gun reform bill which I feel would be a fair compromise between both sides of the issue.

The basically layout of the bill is as follows....

The best thing I can say is that I encourage the idea of "out-of-the-box" thinking. That said, moving on ...

1; A complete ban on direct private person-to-person sales & the establishment of Firearms Brokerages.
Under this law, it would be illegal for a gun owner to sale their gun to another person. Instead, all private sales would be required to go through firearms brokerages. These would be private businesses which handle all private sales. They would handle background checks, would hold firearms during required waiting periods, etc. Brokerages would also keep records of all sales, and customers. They would have on record the name, address, and other information of any person who purchased a firearm. This information would only be made available to law enforcement or the government with a warrant signed by a judge.

Creating a whole new industry to handle private sales is overkill, and will further confuse the already-fragmented system. Also, ask your favorite guns-rights advocate how they feel about a central national list of exactly who owns which firearms, accessible by the police.

2; A complete ban on all full auto weapons, and all attachments and modifications which allow a semi-auto weapon fire at a full auto or near full-auto rate. Possession of a functional full-auto weapon, except by military or law enforcement, or licensed private security firms would be a federal felony.

Fully automatic weapons are already behind the Class III license wall, and bump stocks were outlawed after Vegas.

3; A ban on public carry of all firearms which are not properly holstered. In other words, no more carrying rifles and shotguns around. And no carrying sidearms unless they are in a proper holster. Again this wouldn't apply to on-duty law enforcement, military, or licensed private security firms who are actively performing their duties.

This isn't the problem.

4; Active prosecution of any state or local clerks or officials who fail to properly log mental health or criminal histories into the federal background check database. Cases of neglect, would result in misdemeanor charges. Cases where a person is found to have intentionally refused to properly report this information would result in felony charges.

Good luck trying to prove which person *didn't* do a certain action. This is the correct target, but the more effective approach than the first two sentences would be for individual organizations to develop more comprehensive procedures, with double-checks and audits. As far as I know, the third sentence is already a thing.

5; Automatic accomplice charges for all cases where a gun is knowingly sold to a criminal. What this means is that if a personally knowingly and intentionally sales a gun to a criminal, they will be automatically charged as accomplices to any crimes committed using that gun. If the criminal uses the gun to murder someone, the seller will be charged with murder.

Have there been any cases of a dealer deliberately selling a firearm, knowing that the criminal is about to do Something Bad with it? The dealers already have a vested interest in not losing their livelihood. The only maybe I can think of is Columbine, where one of their girlfriends bought firearms as a straw purchase.

6; No second amendment rights to any person who is a member of any organization which is designated as a terrorist group, a criminal organization, or is currently being investigated for a violent and/or gang related crime.

This gets really tricky when considering who gets to designate a "terrorist group" or a "criminal organization," or denying a Constitutional right to someone based on something they haven't yet been convicted of. The latter could be covered under a Red Flag law, but overall #6 sounds an awful lot like an argument in favor of a single federal list for universal background checks, which ... okay.

There are a lot of actions that need to be undertaken, and as I said I applaud the idea of new ideas. Keep working at it.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Would you support this gun reform bill?​

Not just no, but hell no... With over 20,000 firearm laws within the USA, until you can prove that there is no repetitious verbiage in this new Bill...

 

[j-mac]

Two things have totally screwed up the minds of our young people today.

1. Social media.
and
2. The lockdowns.

These two things ensure that there will be more of these walking time bombs out there...

And we can thank liberal progressives for both.

 

[miketx]

I have an idea of a new gun reform bill which I feel would be a fair compromise between both sides of the issue.

The basically layout of the bill is as follows....

1; A complete ban on direct private person-to-person sales & the establishment of Firearms Brokerages.
Under this law, it would be illegal for a gun owner to sale their gun to another person. Instead, all private sales would be required to go through firearms brokerages. These would be private businesses which handle all private sales. They would handle background checks, would hold firearms during required waiting periods, etc. Brokerages would also keep records of all sales, and customers. They would have on record the name, address, and other information of any person who purchased a firearm. This information would only be made available to law enforcement or the government with a warrant signed by a judge.

2; A complete ban on all full auto weapons, and all attachments and modifications which allow a semi-auto weapon fire at a full auto or near full-auto rate. Possession of a functional full-auto weapon, except by military or law enforcement, or licensed private security firms would be a federal felony.

3; A ban on public carry of all firearms which are not properly holstered. In other words, no more carrying rifles and shotguns around. And no carrying sidearms unless they are in a proper holster. Again this wouldn't apply to on-duty law enforcement, military, or licensed private security firms who are actively performing their duties.

4; Active prosecution of any state or local clerks or officials who fail to properly log mental health or criminal histories into the federal background check database. Cases of neglect, would result in misdemeanor charges. Cases where a person is found to have intentionally refused to properly report this information would result in felony charges.

5; Automatic accomplice charges for all cases where a gun is knowingly sold to a criminal. What this means is that if a personally knowingly and intentionally sales a gun to a criminal, they will be automatically charged as accomplices to any crimes committed using that gun. If the criminal uses the gun to murder someone, the seller will be charged with murder.

6; No second amendment rights to any person who is a member of any organization which is designated as a terrorist group, a criminal organization, or is currently being investigated for a violent and/or gang related crime.

No. Useless bs imo.

 

[jc456]

Again, law abiding citizens must suffer and put their lives at bigger risk