Would you support this gun reform bill?

[j-mac]

I'll include another one. A complete ban on straw purchases of firearms nationwide.

As well as making it a felony for a person to make a straw purchase for someone who would not be able to legally make the purchase themselves, and if a firearm included in such a purchase is used in a crime, the purchaser would be charged as an accomplice.

This would only apply to firearms bought for people who do not have the legal right to own firearms, such as felons, or people who have histories of mental illness or other such things which would cause them to fail a background check. If wouldn't apply to guns bought as gifts, unless the person recieving it doesn't have the legal right to own it.

Are any of these helping in Chicago?

 

[pknopp]

What does that have to do with anything I've stated on the subject?

Flawed as the organization may be at the top they have been and remain the single best weapon we have in combatting the anti gun movement in the US.

As long as you don't send them any money.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

As long as you don't send them any money.

I'm a life member and have been for almost fifty years. If I send money it goes to the ILA.

 

[pknopp]

No.

But you'll excuse Reagan for doing it .

 

[Big Bend Texas]

But you'll excuse Reagan for doing it .

Reagan was a hoplophobe. Can you not read?

 

[pknopp]

What's the point?

There are literally hundreds of other rifles out there that shoot the same round that would not be banned.

The point? Hypocrisy.

 

[pknopp]

Reagan was a hoplophobe. Can you not read?

If Republicans see where banning something will help them they will do it just like they did under Reagan.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I have an idea of a new gun reform bill which I feel would be a fair compromise between both sides of the issue.

The basically layout of the bill is as follows....

1; A complete ban on direct private person-to-person sales & the establishment of Firearms Brokerages.
Under this law, it would be illegal for a gun owner to sale their gun to another person. Instead, all private sales would be required to go through firearms brokerages. These would be private businesses which handle all private sales. They would handle background checks, would hold firearms during required waiting periods, etc. Brokerages would also keep records of all sales, and customers. They would have on record the name, address, and other information of any person who purchased a firearm. This information would only be made available to law enforcement or the government with a warrant signed by a judge.

2; A complete ban on all full auto weapons, and all attachments and modifications which allow a semi-auto weapon fire at a full auto or near full-auto rate. Possession of a functional full-auto weapon, except by military or law enforcement, or licensed private security firms would be a federal felony.

3; A ban on public carry of all firearms which are not properly holstered. In other words, no more carrying rifles and shotguns around. And no carrying sidearms unless they are in a proper holster. Again this wouldn't apply to on-duty law enforcement, military, or licensed private security firms who are actively performing their duties.

4; Active prosecution of any state or local clerks or officials who fail to properly log mental health or criminal histories into the federal background check database. Cases of neglect, would result in misdemeanor charges. Cases where a person is found to have intentionally refused to properly report this information would result in felony charges.

5; Automatic accomplice charges for all cases where a gun is knowingly sold to a criminal. What this means is that if a personally knowingly and intentionally sales a gun to a criminal, they will be automatically charged as accomplices to any crimes committed using that gun. If the criminal uses the gun to murder someone, the seller will be charged with murder.

6; No second amendment rights to any person who is a member of any organization which is designated as a terrorist group, a criminal organization, or is currently being investigated for a violent and/or gang related crime.

1. No

2. No

3. No

4. maybe

5. No

6. no

 

[Big Bend Texas]

If Republicans see where banning something will help them they will do it just like they did under Reagan.

If they do, it will end their political careers.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Wrong. The historical record of how the Founders governed gives greater context than any case law.

/----/ Ya know, slavery was once constitutional and supported by case law.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

/----/ Ya know, slavery was once constitutional and supported by case law.

Until it was lawfully repealed by amendment.

 

[pknopp]

If they do, it will end their political careers.

Odd, it didn't under Reagan.

 

[Penelope]

Really?

How many shootings did it prevent?

Many!!

 

[Penelope]

Are any of these helping in Chicago?

Chicago is gun city. The Governor just made those laws last month, give it time.
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Illinois is a trailblazer the fight against ghost guns. President Joe Biden's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives has focused on ghost guns since taking office, recognizing the unprecedented threat these unregulated weapons pose. President Biden's administration has taken similar steps to Illinois on the national level to reign in ghost guns, requiring serialization and reclassifying these build kits as firearms.

Because ghost guns are cheaper and easier to acquire than conventional firearms, they are more accessible to young people. Already in May of 2022, at least two Illinois teenagers were charged with possession of ghost guns, including one case where a loaded ghost gun was brought to a high school. ISP has worked on 28 cases concerning ghost guns in May of 2022 alone.

press-release

Press Releases

www.illinois.gov

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Odd, it didn't under Reagan.

Reagan was in his second Term and this isn't the same republican party as we had in 86.

Very few people legally owned machineguns, the AR is now the best selling rifle of the last 40 years with upwards of 20 million currently circulation.

 

[pknopp]

Reagan was in his second Term and this isn't the same republican party as we had in 86.

Very few people legally owned machineguns, the AR is now the best selling rifle of the last 40 years with upwards of 20 million currently circulation.

The Republicans know, just as the Democrats know, they will never be held to account for anything because people want to win more than they want to hold principles.

 

[Rogue AI]

/----/ Ya know, slavery was once constitutional and supported by case law.

Not case law, the Constitution itself allowed it. Judicial interpretation is based on the document and the Founders intent. How they governed shows their intent. It's not difficult to understand.

 

[Woodznutz]

You think most shootings are committed by drug addicts?

That would prevent some shootings, but not many in the long run.

Many shootings involve drug money. Addicts provide all of that money. Locking up the addicts cuts off the supply of money leaving drug gangs no reason to shoot each other. In fact they would have no reason to have a gun.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Theres no law who states guns can be limited or mags. They can be limited.

Shall not be infringed. You loons have a block or something when it comes to that part of the 2nd it's a psychosis.

 

[jc456]

I have an idea of a new gun reform bill which I feel would be a fair compromise between both sides of the issue.

The basically layout of the bill is as follows....

1; A complete ban on direct private person-to-person sales & the establishment of Firearms Brokerages.
Under this law, it would be illegal for a gun owner to sale their gun to another person. Instead, all private sales would be required to go through firearms brokerages. These would be private businesses which handle all private sales. They would handle background checks, would hold firearms during required waiting periods, etc. Brokerages would also keep records of all sales, and customers. They would have on record the name, address, and other information of any person who purchased a firearm. This information would only be made available to law enforcement or the government with a warrant signed by a judge.

2; A complete ban on all full auto weapons, and all attachments and modifications which allow a semi-auto weapon fire at a full auto or near full-auto rate. Possession of a functional full-auto weapon, except by military or law enforcement, or licensed private security firms would be a federal felony.

3; A ban on public carry of all firearms which are not properly holstered. In other words, no more carrying rifles and shotguns around. And no carrying sidearms unless they are in a proper holster. Again this wouldn't apply to on-duty law enforcement, military, or licensed private security firms who are actively performing their duties.

4; Active prosecution of any state or local clerks or officials who fail to properly log mental health or criminal histories into the federal background check database. Cases of neglect, would result in misdemeanor charges. Cases where a person is found to have intentionally refused to properly report this information would result in felony charges.

5; Automatic accomplice charges for all cases where a gun is knowingly sold to a criminal. What this means is that if a personally knowingly and intentionally sales a gun to a criminal, they will be automatically charged as accomplices to any crimes committed using that gun. If the criminal uses the gun to murder someone, the seller will be charged with murder.

6; No second amendment rights to any person who is a member of any organization which is designated as a terrorist group, a criminal organization, or is currently being investigated for a violent and/or gang related crime.

what did a gun do?