Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[BreezeWood]

Do you really feel Jesus Christ would support Trump and MAGA if alive today.
I have a hard time believing he would.
MAGA is the opposite of many of Jesus's key teachings.

moses and trump are peas in the same pod ...

nothing more american than immigration ... irish italians german orientals polish et al - as american as apple pie.

 

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Yes, the so called great commission that parallels almost verbatim Jeremiah 25:15-38

"Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them."

‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall to rise no more (Rev. 14:8) because of the sword I will send among you.’ Jeremiah 25:27

"I have not come to bring peace but a sword." (Jesus H. Christ) Matthew 10:34

From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which TO SMITE THE NATIONS." Rev 19:15

"He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword."

"Babylon was a gold cup in the hand of the LORD, making the whole earth drunk. The nations drank her wine; therefore the nations have gone mad." Jeremiah 51:7

The sword that Jesus came to bring is a curse under the appearance of a cup of wine.

Judging by how inebriated you are it's obvious that the curse still works like a charm!



Bottoms up!

"TAKE THIS CUP OF WINE AND DRINK IT. THIS IS A CUP OF MY BLOOD, THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT,"

Just art thou, in these thy judgments, thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink."



"And to the east of Eden he stationed the Cherubim, with a flaming and flashing sword, THAT TURNS IN EVERY DIRECTION, to guard THE WAY to the tree of life."

Subversives may use these passages to criticize specific practices as idolatrous, the broader theological application is a call to examine one's heart for misplaced worship.

Jeremiah 25:15-38, describes God’s judgment on Judah and surrounding nations for idolatry and disobedience, is a warning against spiritual idolatry and failing to follow God's will, rather than a literal application of the ancient political exile. The passage serves as a reminder that God calls for repentance, and idolatry is defined not only as worshiping physical images but also as placing self-indulgence, money, or other pursuits above God.

Here is how the passage applies:

• Idolatry of the Heart: While not bowing down to literal golden statues, modern believers are cautioned against "bowing down" to the idols of self-indulgence, self-sufficiency, and material security.
• The Cup of Wrath: The imagery of the "wine cup of this fury" (v. 15) is interpreted as a warning that God will not ignore disobedience, and that judgment falls on all, including those who claim to be His people but have turned away from Him.
• Correction, Not Just Comfort: The message in Jeremiah reminds modern believers that God’s word sometimes acts as a correction to turn from sin, rather than only providing comfort.
• Call to Repentance: The core message is that God is merciful and will forgive and restore those who turn away from their idols and seek Him.

 

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Subversives may use these passages to criticize specific practices as idolatrous, the broader theological application is a call to examine one's heart for misplaced worship.

Misplaced worship? lol. Why? because a talking serpent pretending to be religious beguiled people into defying the Law of my God which amounts to murder? Either way, according to scripture, to set aside the Law of my God to practice idolatry by seeking spiritual life from a lifeless matzo made by human hands is a sin under penalty of death and if scripture is true and God is God then everyone who practices idolatry is dead and under a curse in Sheol.

A brood of vipers tried to beguile me in the second grade and couldn't. What possible excuse is there for adults not being able to tell a liar and religious con artist to go to hell?

Misplaced worship? As if they don't already know that its a sin to worship and eat a lifeless matzo made by human hands for spiritual life during a ritual celebrating the crucifixion of Jesus (you love so much) on the Mithran cross as a "perfect human sacrifice" to a Mithran trinity.


Youse guys must think God is stupid.

 

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Misplaced worship? lol. Why? because a talking serpent pretending to be religious beguiled people into defying the Law of my God which amounts to murder? Either way, according to scripture, to set aside the Law of my God to practice idolatry by seeking spiritual life from a lifeless matzo made by human hands is a sin under penalty of death and if scripture is true and God is God then everyone who practices idolatry is dead and under a curse in Sheol.

A brood of vipers tried to beguile me in the second grade and couldn't. What possible excuse is there for adults not being able to tell a liar and religious con artist to go to hell?

Misplaced worship? As if they don't already know that its a sin to worship and eat a lifeless matzo made by human hands for spiritual life during a ritual celebrating the crucifixion of Jesus (you love so much) on the Mithran cross as a "perfect human sacrifice" to a Mithran trinity.


Youse guys must think God is stupid.

The Gospel of Luke records several instances and claims where Jesus acts, speaks, or is described in ways that present Him as having divine authority and equality with God, such as forgiving sins, having power over nature, and accepting worship, leading to the understanding (especially in later Christian theology) of His divinity and fulfillment of prophecy. While some interpret these actions as Jesus demonstrating God's power through Him, others see them as direct claims of being God, with Luke presenting Jesus as Lord, Messiah, and Son of God.

Key Examples in Luke:

• Forgiveness of Sins (Luke 5:20-24): Jesus forgives a paralyzed man's sins, prompting onlookers to question, "Who can forgive sins but God alone?".
• Authority Over the Sabbath (Luke 6:5): Jesus declares, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath," asserting a divine prerogative.
• Accepting Worship (Luke 24:52): After His resurrection, Jesus' disciples worship Him, a response consistent with divine reverence.
• Claiming Divine Sonship (Luke 22:69-71): Before the Sanhedrin, Jesus affirms His identity as the Son of God, which they perceive as blasphemy.
• Fulfilling Prophecy (Luke 4:16-21): Jesus reads from Isaiah, applying prophecies about the Lord's anointed Messiah to Himself, indicating He is God's representative with divine power.

Interpretations:

• Divinity/Exaltation: Some see these as moments Luke highlights Jesus' inherent divinity or His exaltation to divinity (e.g., at His birth, baptism, resurrection).
• Messianic Authority: Others view these as Jesus demonstrating the authority and power of God vested in Him as the Messiah, the "Lord of all".

In essence, Luke portrays Jesus as more than a prophet, presenting Him with divine attributes and authority, which Christians interpret as evidence of His equality with God.



The Gospel of John records Jesus making claims and performing actions that his Jewish contemporaries understood as claims of divinity, leading them to accuse him of blasphemy for making himself equal with God, such as calling God "My Father" and working on the Sabbath as God does. Key instances include Jesus stating, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am at work," and "The Father and I are one," asserting shared nature, works, power, and judgment with God.

Key Claims & Actions in John's Gospel:

• "My Father is working, and I am working" (John 5:17): Jesus's statement after healing on the Sabbath implied he shared God's continuous work, a claim interpreted as making himself equal with God, infuriating Jewish leaders.
• "The Son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father doing" (John 5:19): This shows unity in action, with the Son mirroring the Father's works (healing, judging, giving life).
• "The Father loves the Son and shows him all he does" (John 5:20): Demonstrates divine access and shared knowledge.
• "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30): A direct assertion of unity with God.
• "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father" (John 14:9): Claims to reveal God's very essence.

Jewish Interpretation & Reaction:

• The Jews understood Jesus' use of "My Father" as a claim to a unique, divine relationship, not merely being a spiritual child.
• They saw his actions on the Sabbath (which God "never rests") and his statements about his relationship with God as making himself God's equal, a capital offense.

Miracles as Divine Acts:

• Jesus' miracles (feeding multitudes, calming storms, raising the dead, walking on water) were seen by followers and critics alike as acts only God could perform, further underscoring claims of divinity.

The Gospel of Mark records Jesus performing actions and making statements that demonstrate divine authority, leading many to interpret these as claims to equality with God, such as forgiving sins (a power only God has), controlling nature, and accepting worship, culminating in his affirmation before the High Priest that he is the "Son of Man" coming on the clouds, which was understood as blasphemy and claiming divine status. While he doesn't use the explicit "I AM" phrases of John, Mark portrays Jesus' identity as God through his deeds and his authoritative claims.

Key Examples in Mark:

• Forgiving Sins (Mark 2:5-10): Jesus tells a paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven," prompting religious leaders to ask, "Who can forgive sins but God alone?".
• Authority Over Nature (Mark 4:35-41): Jesus calms a violent storm, leading his disciples to ask, "Who is this? Even the wind and the sea obey him!".
• Power Over Demons (Mark 1:23-28): Jesus casts out an unclean spirit, showing unique power and authority.
• "Son of Man" at Trial (Mark 14:61-64): When asked if he is the Messiah, Jesus responds by quoting Daniel 7:13-14, saying they will see the "Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power and coming with the clouds of heaven," a direct claim to divine authority.

How Mark Presents Jesus' Divinity:

• Miraculous Deeds: Healing the sick, casting out demons, and calming storms are presented as acts of divine power.
• Authority & Obedience: Jesus demonstrates authority over the Law and demands obedience, actions reserved for God.
• Messianic Identity: Mark emphasizes Jesus as God's Son and the promised Messiah, applying Old Testament prophecies (like Isaiah 40:3) to him.

In essence, Mark builds a case for Jesus' divinity through his actions and claims, even if he uses the title "Son of Man" more often, showcasing his unique status as God's Son with divine power.



The Gospel of Matthew records Jesus performing actions and making claims that are interpreted as signs of divinity, such as accepting worship (Matt. 28:9, 17), claiming unique authority over the Law and judgment, and his resurrection, but he doesn't explicitly say "I am God"; rather, Matthew emphasizes his role as the divine Son of God and New Moses, showing his power and connection to God. Key examples include his post-resurrection appearance where disciples worship him and his commission to baptize "in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit," implying shared divinity.

Actions & Claims in Matthew Indicating Divinity:

• ** Worship:** Disciples worship him after the resurrection (Matt. 28:9, 17), an act usually reserved for God.
• ** Authority:** He claims authority over the Sabbath, forgiveness of sins, and judging the world, roles belonging to God.
• ** Son of God:** The title "Son of God" is used, culminating in the centurion's declaration after the crucifixion: "Surely this man was the Son of God!" (Matt. 27:54).
• ** "I am" Statements:** While in Matthew 26:64 Jesus says "you have said so," implying the divine name (I AM) in response to the high priest, unlike John's Gospel, he doesn't explicitly claim deity in the same way, according to some scholars.
• ** Future Return:** He predicts his glorious return in power, sending angels to gather the elect, an act of divine authority (Matt. 24:29-31).
• ** "All authority...":** In Matthew 28:18, Jesus claims all authority in heaven and earth after his resurrection, a divine attribute.

Matthew's Emphasis:

• Matthew portrays Jesus as the New Moses, fulfilling Old Testament prophecies, and establishing a new law for salvation.
• While demonstrating divine attributes, Matthew focuses on Jesus as the promised Messiah and Son of God, establishing his identity through his actions and unique authority.

 

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The Gospel of Luke records several instances and claims where Jesus acts, speaks, or is described in ways that present Him as having divine authority and equality with God, such as forgiving sins,

Every time a person was healed after hearing Jesus speak he made it clear that it was their faith that healed them and also said it was the power of God working through him. Even when Jesus said "the Father and I are one" or "if you have seen me you have seen the father" it was not claiming equality with God.

having power over nature,

Jesus "calming the storm" was not about controlling the weather dingbot. it was about him calming a lynch mob because everywhere Jesus went people got pissed off and complained. And the disciples weren't afraid of the weather. They were afraid of "the gathering storm clouds" an angry murderous mob, and being "taken up" into hebbin in a whirlwind.

and accepting worship

Every time someone called Jesus "Lord" it was just a term of respect like Sahib, master, monsieur, or Sir.

Its as simple as that.

 

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Every time a person was healed after hearing Jesus speak he made it clear that it was their faith that healed them and also said it was the power of God working through him. Even when Jesus said "the Father and I are one" or "if you have seen me you have seen the father" it was not claiming equality with God.



Jesus "calming the storm" was not about controlling the weather dingbot. it was about him calming a lynch mob because every where Jesus went people got pissed off and complained. And the disciples weren't afraid of the weather. They were afraid of being the gathering storm clouds a murderous mob, and being "taken up" into hebbin in a whirlwind.


Every time someone called Jesus "Lord" it was just a term of respect like Sahib, Monsieur, or Sir.

Its as simple as that.

The Gospels make a deliberate and central effort to portray Jesus as a supernatural being, highlighting his divine nature through miraculous deeds (healings, nature control, resurrection), his unique divine conception, and his identity as the Son of God, with John's Gospel emphasizing his pre-existence and deity most strongly. While different Gospels emphasize different aspects (Matthew as King, Mark as Servant, Luke as perfect Man), all present a figure whose life, actions, and claims transcend the ordinary human experience to reveal God.

All four canonical Gospels make a concerted and central effort to portray that Jesus rose from the dead, presenting it as a physical, historical, and transformative event. While the narratives differ in specific details—which scholars often interpret as complementary, independent eyewitness accounts rather than contradictions—they consistently agree on the core truth that the tomb was empty and Jesus appeared to his followers.

 

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The Gospels make a deliberate and central effort to portray Jesus as a supernatural being,

The story of Superman makes a deliberate effort to portray Clark Kent as a supernatural being.

All four canonical Gospels make a concerted and central effort to portray that Jesus rose from the dead, presenting it as a physical, historical, and transformative event.

"The Tale of a Puppet" makes a concerted effort to portray a puppet becoming a real boy.

What then?

 

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The Tale of a Puppet makes a concerted effort to portray a puppet becoming a real boy.

Bible scholars acknowledge that Jesus never explicitly rebuked people for worshiping him.

 

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Bible scholars acknowledge that Jesus never explicitly rebuked people for worshiping him.

So what. Calling Jesus Lord was not worshiping him when he was walking the earth. Anyway, who would object to someone calling them "Lord", Sahib, Monsieur, or Sir?

 

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So what. Who would object to someone calling them "Lord", Sahib, Monsieur, or Sir?

Jesus was accused of blaspheme by Jewish religious leaders because he refused to rebuke those who worshiped him.

 

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Jesus was accused of blaspheme by Jewish leaders because he refused to rebuke those who worshiped him.

No, Jesus was falsely accused of many scurrilous things, just like you falsely accuse me, because he publicly exposed religious leaders as actors and lying frauds who led smooth easy lives off the suffering of their own people who were deliberately kept in the dark about the HIDDEN meaning of the Law by a relatively few sadisitc narcissists, talking serpents.

They even had ramps built over the streets of the city to the Temple Mount so they wouldn't have to mingle with what they saw as the hoards of scum below. Carnage they perpetuated.

No one worshipped Jesus by calling him Lord, master, teacher, sahib, or Sir. Thats stupidity.

They all are just synonyms for a term of respect. Damn.

 

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No, Jesus was falsely accused of many scurrilous things, just like you falsely accuse me, because he publicly exposed religious leaders as actors and lying frauds who led smooth easy lives off the suffering of their own people who were deliberately kept in the dark about the HIDDEN meaning of the Law by a relatively few sadisitc narcissists, talking serpents.

They even had ramps built over the streets of the city to the Temple Mount so they wouldn't have to mingle with what they saw as the hoards of scum below. Carnage they perpetuated.

No one worshipped Jesus by calling him Lord, master, teacher, sahib, or Sir. Thats stupidity.

They all are just synonyms for a term of respect. Damn.

Jewish texts confirm Jesus was put to death for performing miracles (sorcery) and speaking and acting equal to God (blaspheme).

 

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Jewish texts confirm Jesus was put to death for performing miracles (sorcery) and speaking and acting equal to God (blaspheme).

So what? He was also accused of "keeping company" with prostitutes, being a sinner, a glutton and a drunk, completely out of his mind, leading people astray, partying like it was 1969 (with sinners and hoods), always in bad company, and being possessed by a devil.

What's your point?

 

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What's your point?

That Jesus acted and behaved as if he were equal to God which is exactly what the NT accounts describe. Your interpretations of the NT are fantasy.

 

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That Jesus acted and behaved as if he were equal to God which is exactly what the NT accounts describe. Your interpretations of the NT are fantasy.

So acting and behaving as if Jesus was equal to God consists of "keeping company" with prostitutes, being a sinner, a glutton and a drunk, completely out of his mind, leading people astray, partying like it was 1969 (with sinners and hoods), always in bad company, and being possessed by a devil? This is a fantasy? Even though thats what the Gospels report?



You are so pathetic.

 

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So acting and behaving as if Jesus was equal to God consists of "keeping company" with prostitutes, being a sinner, a glutton and a drunk, completely out of his mind, leading people astray, partying like it was 1969 (with sinners and hoods), always in bad company, and being possessed by a devil? This is a fantasy? Even though thats what the Gospels report?



You are so pathetic.

Performing miracles, rising from the dead, speaking as if he were equal to God, acting as if he were equal to God, refusing to rebuke others when they worshiped him as being equal to God... are the reasons why Jesus was worshiped as God after he rose from the dead. The gospels are not presenting these as myths. The gospels aren't presenting these as legends. The gospels are presenting these as historical facts. No one disputes that the gospels present these accounts as historical events but you. Bible scholars agree that these accounts are presented as historical events. Your interpretation of the gospels is not supported by any evidence whatsoever.

 

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Performing miracles, rising from the dead, speaking as if he were equal to God, acting as if he were equal to God, refusing to rebuke others when they worshiped him as being equal to God... are the reasons why Jesus was worshiped as God after he rose from the dead. The gospels are not presenting these as myths. The gospels aren't presenting these as legends. The gospels are presenting these as historical facts. No one disputes that the gospels present these accounts as historical events but you. Bible scholars agree that these accounts are presented as historical events. Your interpretation of the gospels is not supported by any evidence whatsoever.

You understand neither scripture nor the power of God.



The subject of the resurrection is not and was never about the resumption of a former existence, whether rising from the death of false beliefs and degrading practices, or whether rising from the death of the human body. The subject is about entry into a new existence.

Hence the verse, "A new creature!"

 

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You understand neither scripture nor the power of God.



The subject of the resurrection is not and was never about the resumption of a former existence, whether rising from the death of false beliefs and degrading practices, or whether rising from the death of the human body. The subject is about entry into a new existence.

Hence the verse, "A new creature!"

It's you who doesn't accept it. The gospels are very clear. The gospels make a concerted effort to portray the resurrection of Jesus as an historical event. Bible scholars say the gospels make a concerted effort to portray the resurrection of Jesus as an historical event. Google says the gospels make a concerted effort to portray the resurrection of Jesus as an historical event. Everyone but you knows the gospels make a concerted effort to portray the resurrection of Jesus as an historical event.

 

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Do you really feel Jesus Christ would support Trump and MAGA if alive today.
I have a hard time believing he would.
MAGA is the opposite of many of Jesus's key teachings.

• Jesus’s call for humility and service over power and wealth.
• His commands to love and care for outsiders and the disadvantaged
• Jesus never sought political office or power and urged His followers to seek God’s kingdom rather than worldly rule.
• His emphasis was on care, compassion, and justice for all people, especially the vulnerable.
• He challenged religious and political leaders alike when they ignored mercy and righteousness
• Love your neighbor as yourself.” (Mark 12:31)
• “I was a stranger and you welcomed me.” (Matthew 25:35)
• The Good Samaritan (Luke 10) centers moral duty on care for foreigners and enemies.
• Jesus rejects earthly power, status, and domination (Matthew 20:25–28).
• Jesus condemns deception and hypocrisy (Matthew 23).
• Jesus repeatedly warns against wealth and neglect of the poor (Luke 12, Luke 16).
• What mortal man does not realize we are all flawed and ask Jesus for forgiveness? Trump has said "Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?"
• 'Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions'” (Luke 12:15).

Jesus seems to have set up Mr. Donald J. Trump to become President. I believe that Jesus will finish any project that He begins.


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Jesus seems to have set up Mr. Donald J. Trump to become President.

So it wasn't Fox News brainwashing the gullible and his oligarch criminal friends paying large sums of money to the unscrupulous who are just as corrupt as scumbag trump?

Jesus did it? Seriously? Damn.