Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[hobelim]

The other day you argued the gospels were a conspiracy,

No, I said that Rome assimilated and perverted Christianity with Mithraism, the secret Babylonian MYSTERY RELIGION of the Roman Government and military, creating the Antichrist, a false substitute counterfeit Jesus, a mangod, that you worship and eat for spiritual life, derp, created in the image and likeness of Mithras, and unleashed on the world in 325ce.

Every time you celebrate the crucifixion you are celebrating Jesus being sacrificed to Mithras on the Mithras cross.


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[Mack The Finger]

Would Muhamad hang out with Sleepy Joe ?

 

[hobelim]

Today you are arguing they aren't. Pick a lane. Your dishonesty is giving me a headache.

Wrong.

What I did is make you aware that you have been diverted by superstitious archaic lore. Thinking of all the time and money you wasted in church is what is giving you a headache.

 

[ding]

No, I said that Rome assimilated and perverted Christianity with Mithraism, the secret Babylonian MYSTERY RELIGION of the Roman Government and military, creating the Antichrist, a false substitute counterfeit Jesus, a mangod, that you worship and eat for spiritual life, derp, created in the image and likeness of Mithras, and unleashed on the world in 325ce.

Every time you celebrate the crucifixion you are celebrating Jesus being sacrificed to Mithras on the Mithras cross.


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Wrong.

What I did is make you aware that you have been diverted by superstitious archaic lore. Thinking of all the time and money you wasted in church is what is giving you a headache.

I knew what you were going to say before you wrote it.

 

[ding]

Wrong.

What I did is make you aware that you have been diverted by superstitious archaic lore. Thinking of all the time and money you wasted in church is what is giving you a headache.

I'm not wrong. I just busted your ass in a lie.

You spent several pages telling me what a scoundrel Paul was and how he conspired with Rome. Today you are telling me that a whole bunch of people - which included Paul - had dreams about meeting the risen Christ. You can't have it both ways. Unless of course you are arguing that Paul conspired with the Romans to record what really happened.

 

[hobelim]

You spent several pages telling me what a scoundrel Paul was and how he conspired with Rome.

Right.

Today you are telling me that a whole bunch of people - which included Paul - had dreams about meeting the risen Christ. You can't have it both ways. Unless of course you are arguing that Paul conspired with the Romans to record what really happened.

Paul pretended to have a vision in which he was struck with physical blindness even though Jesus cured blindness, a blindness of perception not sight. Doesn't this give you even an inkling that Paul was just acting blind and then pretended to be healed in a transparent attempt to derail the movement which would have failed if Nero didn't step in to persecute Christians and murder James who headed the church of Jerusalem in 62ce..just a four years after Paul wrote his letter exhorting Christians to submit to Rome OR ELSE in 57ce.,

There is no contradiction. All the pieces fit perfectly.

 

[ding]

Right.


Paul pretended to have a vision and was struck with physical blindness even though Jesus cured blindness, a blindness of perception not sight. Doesn't this give you even an inkling that Paul was just acting and then pretended to be healed in a transparent attempt to derail the movement which would have failed if Nero didn't step in to persecute Christians.

There is no contradiction.

Oh, so now Paul pretended to have a vision. Did the other 514 that we know about pretend to have visions of the risen Christ too?

You are making shit up as you go along and changing your story every time I catch you in a lie.

 

[hobelim]

Oh, so now Paul pretended to have a vision.

Thats right. Its obvious.

Did the other 514 that we know about pretend to have visions of the risen Christ too?

First, who is this we you always refer to?

Second, the dreams of the risen Christ have no similarity to the bullshit story of Paul.

 

[ding]

Thats right. Its obvious.


First, who is this we you always refer to?

Second, the dreams of the risen Christ have no similarity to the bullshit story of Paul.

If you don't know who the other witnesses to the risen Christ are, then you aren't qualified for this discussion.

 

[hobelim]

If you don't know who the other witnesses to the risen Christ, then you aren't qualified for this discussion.

You, by saying we, are claiming to be one of the others who witnessed the risen Christ?

Do tell!

'Here is your chance to testify, so testify.

 

[ding]

You, by saying we, are claiming to be one of the others who witnessed the risen Christ?

Do tell!

'Here is your chance to testify, so testify.

That some leap in logic you have there.

 

[BreezeWood]

If you don't know who the other witnesses to the risen Christ are ...

who would know them were the romans if there were their victim on the lose they just crucified would have gathered them up for interrogation to find the escapee and put them back in jail ... is their a recording during that time the roman authorities were aware of such an event - the risen jesus.

 

[shockedcanadian]

It depends on the policies. He probably wouldn't support either party.

 

[BreezeWood]

It depends on the policies. He probably wouldn't support either party.

who are you kidding - surly the desert dwellers, maggots spreading "their" gospel is not a party ... of course its religion.

 

[shockedcanadian]

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who are you kidding - surly the desert dwellers, maggots spreading "their" gospel is not a party ... of course its religion.

You may rue the day you besmirch G-d and the Torah.

It is out of my hands. You should find the light and shake the evil off.

 

[hobelim]

You may rue the day you besmirch G-d and the Torah.

Does that apply to those who say that one unequalled God, who is Spirit and has no visible shape or material form, is really a Trinity, 3 coequal persons (one Jesus) in one Godhead, who was crucified so that believers who celebrate his death and eat him can sin with impunity for life because a trinity, the God of Mithraism, loved the Roman world so much?

"A trinity godhead comprised of Mithra (divine god of truth), Rashnu (divine god of justice, judgement and righteousness), Vohu Manah (divine spirit of enlightenment). These three persons were separate yet they were one."

Will believers rue the day they got down on their knees to "celebrate" Jesus as a "perfect human sacrifice" to Mithras on the Mithran cross perjuring themselves in the name of God, defying the instruction in the Torah, Divine Law, and desecrating the WORDS of Jesus?

 

[ding]

Does that apply to those who say that one unequalled God, who is Spirit and has no visible shape or material form, is really a Trinity, 3 coequal persons (one Jesus) in one Godhead, who was crucified so that believers who celebrate his death and eat him can sin with impunity for life because a trinity, the God of Mithraism, loved the Roman world so much?

"A trinity godhead comprised of Mithra (divine god of truth), Rashnu (divine god of justice, judgement and righteousness), Vohu Manah (divine spirit of enlightenment). These three persons were separate yet they were one."

Will believers rue the day they got down on their knees to "celebrate" Jesus as a "perfect human sacrifice" to Mithras on the Mithran cross perjuring themselves in the name of God, defying the instruction in the Torah, Divine Law, and desecrating the WORDS of Jesus?

Jesus existed. He performed 40 miracles which were supernatural feats. He controlled matter. He controlled nature. He healed disease. He restored sight. He healed physical deformities. He raised the dead. And he raised himself from the dead. He was accused of sorcery for performing these miracles because these were feats that only a supernatural being could perform. So rather than accepting his power came from God they accused him of using supernatural forces contrary to God. He spoke and behaved as if he were equal to God. He allowed others to worship him as if he were equal to God. He never rebuked anyone from worshiping him as being equal to God. And he was accused of apostasy because he spoke and behaved as if he were equal to God and because he wouldn't rebuke others for worshiping him as if he were equal to God.

This is not a myth. This is not a legend. This is reality. This is an historical event. It wasn't portrayed as myth. It wasn't portrayed as a legend. It was portrayed as an historical event.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus existed. He performed 40 miracles which were supernatural feats. He controlled matter. He controlled nature. He healed disease. He restored sight. He healed physical deformities. He raised the dead. And he raised himself from the dead. He was accused of sorcery for performing these miracles because these were feats that only a supernatural being could perform. So rather than accepting his power came from God they accused him of using supernatural forces contrary to God. He spoke and behaved as if he were equal to God. He allowed others to worship him as if he were equal to God. He never rebuked anyone from worshiping him as being equal to God. And he was accused of apostasy because he spoke and behaved as if he were equal to God and because he wouldn't rebuke others for worshiping him as if he were equal to God.

This is not a myth. This is not a legend. This is reality. This is an historical event. It wasn't portrayed as myth. It wasn't portrayed as a legend. It was portrayed as an historical event.

Every single miracle of Jesus recorded in the gospels can be interpreted in a way that conforms to and can be confirmed by reality. Everything from turning water into wine, feeding the multitude, giving sight to the blind, opening the ears of the deaf, healing the crippled, and raising the dead, those who have died as a consequence of defying the law of God.

What you believe in is not the truth. What you believe is the most ignorant, superstitious perverted way to interpret scripture possible, completely ignorant of Jewish thought, belief and literary expressions in the bible that uses figurative speech from the first page to the last.

But if living under a strange delusion where you believe that practicing idolatry under penalty of death is the way to eternal life then you are either too stupid for words or there really is a curse upon those who defy the law of my God, a curse you so perfectly display with every addled post,

You are pathetic. Clinging to the religious flotsam of a dying age. You have confused faith with obstinate stupidity.

But if it makes you happy, be happy

 

[ding]

Every single miracle of Jesus recorded in the gospels can be interpreted in a way that conforms to and can be confirmed by reality.

No, they can't. They weren't written that way. Portraying Jesus as supernatural isn't just an element in the Gospels; it's fundamental to what the Gospels aim to convey about his identity and purpose.

The Gospels make a deliberate and central effort to portray Jesus as a supernatural being, highlighting his divine nature through miraculous deeds (healings, nature control, resurrection), his unique divine conception, and his identity as the Son of God, with John's Gospel emphasizing his pre-existence and deity most strongly. While different Gospels emphasize different aspects (Matthew as King, Mark as Servant, Luke as perfect Man), all present a figure whose life, actions, and claims transcend the ordinary human experience to reveal God.

 

[hobelim]

No, they can't. They weren't written that way. Portraying Jesus as supernatural isn't just an element in the Gospels; it's fundamental to what the Gospels aim to convey about his identity and purpose.

The Gospels make a deliberate and central effort to portray Jesus as a supernatural being, highlighting his divine nature through miraculous deeds (healings, nature control, resurrection), his unique divine conception, and his identity as the Son of God, with John's Gospel emphasizing his pre-existence and deity most strongly. While different Gospels emphasize different aspects (Matthew as King, Mark as Servant, Luke as perfect Man), all present a figure whose life, actions, and claims transcend the ordinary human experience to reveal God.

What you claim to believe are supernatural demonstrations of power over reality are in fact, just “signs” that Jesus was the expected Messiah, who would give sight to the blind open the ears of the deaf and raise the dead to everlasting life effectively ending the curse, death, for defying the law of God for all those who listened to his teaching and acted on it, ate his flesh and drank his blood,

Nothing supernatural about any of that. What was evidence of his power and authority was his ability to either open the eyes of the blind or send them back to hell.

I revealed to you the simplicity of what that man Jesus taught and you don’t believe it.

UNFUCKINBELIEVABLE!