Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[BreezeWood]

You may rue the day you besmirch G-d and the Torah.

It is out of my hands. You should find the light and shake the evil off.

a sabbath, shake off the evil their creations highest objective ... to become holy.

who lives lies against the heavens, torah all three desert bibles of the same as false commandments et al are those to rue the day for their insubordination.

 

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What you claim to believe are supernatural demonstrations of power over reality are in fact, just “signs” that Jesus was the expected Messiah, who would give sight to the blind open the ears of the deaf and raise the dead to everlasting life effectively ending the curse, death, for defying the law of God for all those who listened to his teaching and acted on it, ate his flesh and drank his blood,

Nothing supernatural about any of that. What was evidence of his power and authority was his ability to either open the eyes of the blind or send them back to hell.
I revealed to you the simplicity of what that man Jesus taught and you don’t believe it.

UNFUCKINBELIEVABLE!

Incorrect. There is no evidentiary basis for your belief. After he rose from the dead the apostles came out of hiding and boldly proclaimed Jesus is Lord at great risk to their lives. They did so because of what they had seen and heard.

 

[BreezeWood]

It wasn't portrayed as myth. It wasn't portrayed as a legend. It was portrayed as an historical event.

of course, in the 4th century written by the crucifiers to substitute their objective than the repudiation of judaism, false commandments et all the 1st century events and jesus and those followers gave their lives for.

liberation theology, self determination than apartheid servitude and denial, its fruition 70ce. till the 4th century.

 

[BreezeWood]

Incorrect. There is no evidentiary basis for your belief. After he rose from the dead the apostles came out of hiding and boldly proclaimed Jesus is Lord at great risk to their lives. They did so because of what they had seen and heard.

better late ...



than never - for them.

* the events for heavenly restitution than stone throwing jews - nothing to do with the roman empire.

 

[hobelim]

Incorrect. There is no evidentiary basis for your belief.

lol. Sure, as long as you don’t mind ignoring reality, historical facts, scientific and biological facts, thousands of years of traditional Jewish literature employing figures of speech, not to mention the logical impossibilities of what you claim to be true to be literally true.

You might as well be trying to convince me that there was a magical time in the past when pigs could build houses and talk because it was written in a fairytale

You are such a hypocrite and phony. You really should start praying that God doesn’t exist.

After he rose from the dead the apostles came out of hiding and boldly proclaimed Jesus is Lord at great risk to their lives. They did so because of what they had seen and heard.

Yes, they did so because of what they had seen and heard in dreams, the medium through which God communicates to people. Jesus appearing to them in dreams convinced them that he survived the crucifixion and was alive and well in the eternal realm of God, the reward of the righteous.

Any doubts the disciples had about Jesus being a teacher of righteousness vanished. That’s what gave them the faith to spread his teaching and die a good death knowing they would receive the reward of the righteous too. Eternal life in the realm of God.

 

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lol. Sure, as long as you don’t mind ignoring reality, historical facts, scientific and biological facts, thousands of years of traditional Jewish literature employing figures of speech, not to mention the logical impossibilities of what you claim to be true to be literally true.

You might as well be trying to convince me that there was a magical time in the past when pigs could build houses and talk because it was written in a fairytale

You are such a hypocrite and phony. You really should start praying that God doesn’t exist.

The historical evidence shows:

1. The first Christians who witnessed the supernatural acts performed by Jesus - which included controlling matter, controlling nature, healing physical deformities, healing diseases, raising the dead and resurrecting himself from death - worshiped Jesus as God because they witnessed those miracles.
2. Non-Christian historians recorded that the first Christians worshiped Jesus as God because he performed supernatural feats.
3. 24,000 written manuscripts documented the supernatural feats Jesus performed and the first Christians witnessed.
4. The Babylonian Talmud confirms Jewish religious leaders put Jesus to death for sorcery and for leading Israel into apostasy.
5. There are no opposing accounts that document that Jesus did not perform any supernatural acts.
6. There are no opposing accounts that argue Jesus wasn't put to death for performing sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy.
7. There are no opposing accounts which document Jesus wasn't resurrected.
8. There are no opposing accounts that the first Christians didn't witness Jesus performing supernatural acts.
9. There are no opposing accounts that document the first Christians didn't worship Jesus as God.
10. There are no accounts that the miracles performed by Jesus were symbolic.
11. The behaviors of the Apostles before and after the resurrection of Christ.

And then there is the change in the behavior of the apostles. After the crucifixion they are despondent, dejected, depressed, hiding. They've fled. Peter denied Jesus three times. Our leader has been put to death in the most degrading possible way. And they thought, "That's it! It's over!" But then history clearly shows that after Easter these same people that were once cowardly are now boldly proclaiming that Jesus is resurrected. In Acts 2, just a few weeks after the resurrection, says "Then Peter stood up, he raised his voice and addressed the crowd and said, 'God has raised this Jesus to life and we are all witnesses to this fact.'" We saw it. We know it's true.

 

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Yes, they did so because of what they had seen and heard in dreams, the medium through which God communicates to people. Jesus appearing to them in dreams convinced them that he survived the crucifixion and was alive and well in the eternal realm of God, the reward of the righteous.

Incorrect. You have no evidentiary basis for that belief.

Jesus existed. He performed 40 miracles which were supernatural feats. He controlled matter. He controlled nature. He healed disease. He restored sight. He healed physical deformities. He raised the dead. And he raised himself from the dead. He was accused of sorcery for performing these miracles because these were feats that only a supernatural being could perform. So rather than accepting his power came from God they accused him of using supernatural forces contrary to God. He spoke and behaved as if he were equal to God. He allowed others to worship him as if he were equal to God. He never rebuked anyone from worshiping him as being equal to God. And he was accused of apostasy because he spoke and behaved as if he were equal to God and because he wouldn't rebuke others for worshiping him as if he were equal to God.

This is not a myth. This is not a legend. This is reality. This is an historical event. It wasn't portrayed as myth. It wasn't portrayed as a legend. It was portrayed as an historical event.

 

[hobelim]

The historical evidence shows:

The historical evidence shows that a female cannot conceive or give birth to a child without 23 chromosomes from a human father.

The historical evidence shows that the Jewish people have been using figures of speech for thousands of years while your ancestors was still wondering what a fart was.

The historical evidence shows the dead people remain physically dead.

The historical evidence shows that the story of Genesis has absolutely nothing to do with the theory of the Big Bang

The historical evidence shows a physical blindness, cannot be cured by somebody spitting in their eye

Historical evidence shows they’re only those who have been crippled by fear can be cured with words

Shall I go on?

'God has raised this Jesus to life and we are all witnesses to this fact.'" We saw it. We know it's true.

Jesus was raised as a Pharisee in an observant home. The same Jesus called pharisaic beliefs, and practices, whitewash tombs.

So of course, his friends witnessed Jesus coming out of that tomb and ascending into heaven little by little day by day until he was crucified, “taken up into heaven” a euphemism for him being killed.

Then they plunged into grief fear and confusion until Jesus appeared to them in dreams, which convinced them he survived physical death, as well as surviving the spiritual death of false beliefs

 

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The historical evidence shows that a female cannot conceive or give birth to a child without 23 chromosomes from a human father.

The historical evidence shows that the Jewish people have been using figures of speech for thousands of years while your ancestors was still wondering what a fart was.

The historical evidence shows the dead people remain physically dead.

The historical evidence shows that the story of Genesis has absolutely nothing to do with the theory of the Big Bang

The historical evidence shows a physical blindness, cannot be cured by somebody spitting in their eye

Historical evidence shows they’re only those who have been crippled by fear can be cured with words

Shall I go on?

It would probably be a waste of time if you did, because apparently you haven't a clue what historical evidence is.

But yes, it was a big deal when Jesus performed all of those supernatural acts which is - in part - why those who witnessed him control matter, control nature, heal disease, restore sight, heal physical deformities, raise the dead, and raise himself from the dead.... worshiped him as God.

 

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Jesus was raised as a Pharisee in an observant home. The same Jesus called pharisaic beliefs, and practices, whitewash tombs.

So of course, his friends witnessed Jesus coming out of that tomb and ascending into heaven little by little day by day until he was crucified, “taken up into heaven” a euphemism for him being killed.

Then they plunged into grief fear and confusion until Jesus appeared to them in dreams, which convinced them he survived physical death, as well as surviving the spiritual death of false beliefs

That's not how history recorded it. History did not record it as a myth or a legend. History recorded it as a physical event.

 

[hobelim]

It would probably be a waste of time if you did, because apparently you haven't a clue what historical evidence is.

Somebody writing down that somebody else saw Jesus rise from the dead and perform miracles like opening the eyes of the blind, raising the dead, etc., is not evidence of anything it is at best hearsay

But yes, it was a big deal when Jesus performed all of those supernatural acts which is - in part - why those who witnessed him control matter, control nature, heal disease, restore sight, heal physical deformities, raise the dead, and raise himself from the dead.... worshiped him as God.

OK, let’s assume for a minute you are right. And bring those events into modern times. Do you really believe that there is anyone alive today whatever race religion or nationality, who would see a man dead for four days come out of a tomb because his friend said “come out” and not believe that he was the Messiah?

Jesus was accused of being a magician or using sorcery because he was able to deprogram people that they had brainwashed since birth, using what was known as sorcery.

That’s why Jesus told this disciples to remove Lazarus‘s grave bindings. He was telling them to deprogram Lazarus, who had lost faith in Jesus and died by returning to pharisaic ritual purification practices.

 

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Somebody writing down that somebody else saw Jesus rise from the dead and perform miracles like opening the eyes of the blind, raising the dead, etc., is not evidence of anything it is at best hearsay


OK, let’s assume for a minute you are right. And bring those events into modern times. Do you really believe that there is anyone alive today whatever race religion or nationality, who would see a man dead for four days come out of a tomb because his friend said “come out” and not believe that he was the Messiah?

Jesus was accused of being a magician or using sorcery because he was able to deprogram people that they had brainwashed since birth, using what was known as sorcery.

That’s why Jesus told this disciples to remove Lazarus‘s grave bindings. He was telling them to deprogram Lazarus, who had lost faith in Jesus and died by returning to pharisaic ritual purification practices.

The same Apostles that saw Jesus perform his supernatural feats were the ones Jesus sent out in the great commission after he rose from the dead to spread the good news. Christianity did not begin in Rome. It began hundreds of years earlier from the great commission.

 

[crossbody]

Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?​

Jesus "IS" alive today.

Trump held up the Holy Bible to the world for the world to see. God loves those who love Him.

 

[hobelim]

The same Apostles that saw Jesus perform his supernatural feats were the ones Jesus sent out in the great commission after he rose from the dead to spread the good news. Christianity did not begin in Rome. It began hundreds of years earlier from the great commission.

Yes, the so called great commission that parallels almost verbatim Jeremiah 25:15-38

"Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them."

‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall to rise no more (Rev. 14:8) because of the sword I will send among you.’ Jeremiah 25:27

"I have not come to bring peace but a sword." (Jesus H. Christ) Matthew 10:34

From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which TO SMITE THE NATIONS." Rev 19:15

"He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword."

"Babylon was a gold cup in the hand of the LORD, making the whole earth drunk. The nations drank her wine; therefore the nations have gone mad." Jeremiah 51:7

The sword that Jesus came to bring is a curse under the appearance of a cup of wine.

Judging by how inebriated you are it's obvious that the curse still works like a charm!



Bottoms up!

"TAKE THIS CUP OF WINE AND DRINK IT. THIS IS A CUP OF MY BLOOD, THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT,"

Just art thou, in these thy judgments, thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink."



"And to the east of Eden he stationed the Cherubim, with a flaming and flashing sword, THAT TURNS IN EVERY DIRECTION, to guard THE WAY to the tree of life."

 

[BreezeWood]

Trump held up the Holy Bible to the world for the world to see. God loves those who love Him.

you are ill informed ... who - love - him.

- is a ticket to the everlasting.

 

[hobelim]

Trump held up the Holy Bible to the world for the world to see. God loves those who love Him.

trump was holding up that Bible he never studied like he just picked up a bag of dogshit.

 

[DennisPTate]

Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?​

Jesus "IS" alive today.

Trump held up the Holy Bible to the world for the world to see. God loves those who love Him.

I believe that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is raising up leaders in all nations and in all other religions to back up the unusual and scary "Cyrus" type of calling that is on President Trump.

I believe that Isaiah chapter forty five is happening now and has been since 2016.

The idea of "Jubilee" that was introduced by Moses will fit in somehow as all of this is worked out.

“Remember the Law of Moses, My servant,
Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel,
With the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet
Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
6 And he will turn
The hearts of the fathers to the children,
And the hearts of the children to their fathers,
Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.”
[Malachi 4]

Malachi 4 | NKJV Bible | YouVersion

The Great Day of God“For behold, #Ps. 21:9; (Nah. 1:5, 6; Mal. 3:2, 3; 2 Pet. 3:7)the day is coming,Burning like an oven,And all #Mal. 3:18the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be #Is. 5:24;

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[hobelim]

I believe that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is raising up leaders in all nations and in all other religions to back up the unusual and scary "Cyrus" type of calling that is on President Trump.

To me it looks like the coordinated WW2 fascist attempt to take over the world, suppress human rights, free speech, truth, liberty, and justice to establish a Roman style imperial empire making each dictator, tyrant - little Caesars - the overlords of their own principalities.

In other words, a fourth reich that has been carefully orchestrated since the end of WW2.

Trump is just a clown, a puppet whose strings are pulled by the real potentates of darkness.

Smarten up.

If you loved Yeshua you would rather be crucified upside down than pay homage to trump.

 

[DennisPTate]

To me it looks like the coordinated WW2 fascist attempt to take over the world, suppress human rights, free speech, truth, liberty, and justice to establish a Roman style imperial empire making each dictator, tyrant - little Caesars - the overlords of their own principalities.

In other words, a fourth reich that has been carefully orchestrated since the end of WW2.

Trump is just a clown, a puppet whose strings are pulled by the real potentates of darkness.

Smarten up.

If you loved Yeshua you would rather be crucified upside down than pay homage to trump.

On one level "Operation Paperclip" could be understood as evidence for your pessimism? But I believe that something much more positive is happening and although there are powerful people who have given themselves over to extreme darkness, I have good reason to believe that President Trump is going against the Malthusians who believe in depopulation.
Trump is certainly not alone in this though but this was something that members of the NSA knew was necessary or the future of America would have been very dark indeed.

 

[dudmuck]

Do you really feel Jesus Christ would support Trump and MAGA if alive today.
I have a hard time believing he would.
MAGA is the opposite of many of Jesus's key teachings.

• Jesus’s call for humility and service over power and wealth.
• His commands to love and care for outsiders and the disadvantaged
• Jesus never sought political office or power and urged His followers to seek God’s kingdom rather than worldly rule.
• His emphasis was on care, compassion, and justice for all people, especially the vulnerable.
• He challenged religious and political leaders alike when they ignored mercy and righteousness
• Love your neighbor as yourself.” (Mark 12:31)
• “I was a stranger and you welcomed me.” (Matthew 25:35)
• The Good Samaritan (Luke 10) centers moral duty on care for foreigners and enemies.
• Jesus rejects earthly power, status, and domination (Matthew 20:25–28).
• Jesus condemns deception and hypocrisy (Matthew 23).
• Jesus repeatedly warns against wealth and neglect of the poor (Luke 12, Luke 16).
• What mortal man does not realize we are all flawed and ask Jesus for forgiveness? Trump has said "Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?"
• 'Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions'” (Luke 12:15).