Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[Carl in Michigan]

God has used many a scoundrel to do His bidding. He even used a man who ran the opposite way and did everything he could to hide from God's calling. Heck, He even used a pagan king to write part of the Bible. That king started what led to the Wise Men showing up at the house where Jesus lived with his parents.

Yes. God spoke through an ass for this very reason. He can use ANYONE -- including the one you despise

 

[JimH52]

The President didn't say he lived a perfect life.

We have the President's input....How about the rest of us? What have any of the rest of us done (or are doing) that we feel prompted to ask for forgiveness? I'll go first. the other day I was upset and in a hurry. As a result, I was a very bratty driver. I felt I should ask for forgiveness, did so, and have begun repentance. How about you?

Good grief. Are you in the 4th grade. We are talking about a man who is supposed to be the most powerful person in the world saying he has never done anything to ask forgiveness for. And the evangelicals stand up and applaud.

Please leave your school yard stories on the playground.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Good grief. Are you in the 4th grade. We are talking about a man who is supposed to be the most powerful person in the world saying he has never done anything to ask forgiveness for. And the evangelicals stand up and applaud.

Please leave your school yard stories on the playground.

I thought your side says "judge not".
Is that only for Democrats? We should "judge" the Republicans? Explain how this works

 

[Meriweather]

Good grief. Are you in the 4th grade. We are talking about a man who is supposed to be the most powerful person in the world saying he has never done anything to ask forgiveness for. And the evangelicals stand up and applaud.

Please leave your school yard stories on the playground.

I was trying to get you to lighten up. Here's the deal. Your Donald Trump story had me recalling Jesus advising us to forget the speck in our brother's eye until we are able to remove the log from our own. I have plenty of logs in my own eyes, how about you?

The other thing that crossed my mind: Since President Trump can't find anything wrong with himself, doesn't God have a fine sense of humor? He was able to guide Donald Trump into a position where he would have everyone, daily, shouting about what's wrong with him and broadcasting it all over the world.

Okay, okay! Back to the playground I go. You're no fun at all.

 

[hobelim]

Yes. God spoke through an ass for this very reason. He can use ANYONE -- including the one you despise

So you understand a talking donkey in scripture represents a human jackass? Just like a talking serpent repress a despicable human, a deceitful con who brainwashes believers?

Awesome!

It seems many people are not that smart. You may now proceed to the upper turnstile area.



"Too fat, fat you must cut lean. You got to take the elevator to the mezzanine. Chump, change, and it's on, super bon bon super bon bon super bon bon."

 

[hobelim]

After Jesus' resurrection, the apostles, especially Peter, immediately began preaching the Gospel,

Every single eyewitness account of someone "seeing" Jesus after the crucifixion was an eyewitness account of what was seen and heard in dreams, the medium through which God communicates, the only realm where the things reported could have possibly happened and be the truth. Dead people do not pop into and out of locked rooms to spook their friends, eat fish, float up into the sky, ask someone to poke their wounds, etc., Thats actual reality.

Jesus said in Matthew 26:32 "After I have risen AGAIN, I will go before you to Galilee.” Catholic Public Domain Version

There are two resurrections. The first is from the death, a curse, from sin, such as idolatry, lying in the name of God, or any false religious political or secular beliefs. The second resurrection is from the death of the physical body. Those who partake in the first resurrection cannot be harmed by the second death, the death of the body. (Rev. 20:6)

The disciples seeing Jesus in a dreams convinced them that he survived death and was in the realm of God, the reward of the righteous, which gave them faith to die a good death.

Now you know.

 

[hobelim]

The other thing that crossed my mind: Since President Trump can't find anything wrong with himself, doesn't God have a fine sense of humor? He was able to guide Donald Trump into a position where he would have everyone, daily, shouting about what's wrong with him and broadcasting it all over the world.

I guess that is pretty funny. Thats about the worst thing that could happen to a narcissist.

Still, why hasn't he been taken away in handcuffs? What about all the people being singled out for persecution, shot or blown up, murdered, by Trumps minions? Where are all of their advocates? Where are all the faithful "believers" that would rather be crucified upside down than to pay homage to or take an order from a descendant of that talking serpent of old?

Why are so many religious leaders and politicians and family values, decent, God fearing, Jesus loving, religious people so willing to degrade themselves and kiss his ass in public?

Is it any wonder why it is against Kosher law to eat the flesh of brown nosed dorks? Nasty!

 

[USAF 2023]

Do you really feel Jesus Christ would support Trump and MAGA if alive today.
I have a hard time believing he would.
MAGA is the opposite of many of Jesus's key teachings.

• Jesus’s call for humility and service over power and wealth.
• His commands to love and care for outsiders and the disadvantaged
• Jesus never sought political office or power and urged His followers to seek God’s kingdom rather than worldly rule.
• His emphasis was on care, compassion, and justice for all people, especially the vulnerable.
• He challenged religious and political leaders alike when they ignored mercy and righteousness
• Love your neighbor as yourself.” (Mark 12:31)
• “I was a stranger and you welcomed me.” (Matthew 25:35)
• The Good Samaritan (Luke 10) centers moral duty on care for foreigners and enemies.
• Jesus rejects earthly power, status, and domination (Matthew 20:25–28).
• Jesus condemns deception and hypocrisy (Matthew 23).
• Jesus repeatedly warns against wealth and neglect of the poor (Luke 12, Luke 16).
• What mortal man does not realize we are all flawed and ask Jesus for forgiveness? Trump has said "Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?"
• 'Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions'” (Luke 12:15).

You’re right He would support Joe Biden

 

[ding]

Every single eyewitness account of someone "seeing" Jesus after the crucifixion was an eyewitness account of what was seen and heard in dreams, the medium through which God communicates, the only realm where the things reported could have possibly happened and be the truth. Dead people do not pop into and out of locked rooms to spook their friends, eat fish, float up into the sky, ask someone to poke their wounds, etc., Thats actual reality.

Jesus said in Matthew 26:32 "After I have risen AGAIN, I will go before you to Galilee.” Catholic Public Domain Version

There are two resurrections. The first is from the death, a curse, from sin, such as idolatry, lying in the name of God, or any false religious political or secular beliefs. The second resurrection is from the death of the physical body. Those who partake in the first resurrection cannot be harmed by the second death, the death of the body. (Rev. 20:6)

The disciples seeing Jesus in a dreams convinced them that he survived death and was in the realm of God, the reward of the righteous, which gave them faith to die a good death.

Now you know.

That's a lot of dreams.

In all Jesus appeared a dozen different times over forty days to more than 515 individuals. He appeared to women and to men, He appeared to individuals and to groups, He appeared indoors and outdoors, He appeared to people who were skeptics and people who were believers, He appeared to people who were hardhearted and people who were tenderhearted. And He talked with people, He ate with people, He even invited Thomas - the skeptic, the doubter - to put his finger in the nail holes in His hands, put his hand in the spear wound in His side - to see and touch the evidence himself. Then what was Thomas's reaction? To say, "My Lord and my God!" He became convinced by the evidence that Jesus had returned from the dead. And what does history tell us about Thomas? He spent the rest of his life declaring Jesus did return from the dead, He is the Son of God, even to the point of being put to death for his faith in southern India.

Here's a breakdown of some of the groups Jesus appeared to:

• Mary Magdalene: She was the first person to see the resurrected Jesus.
  
  
• Other women at the tomb: Other women who had come to the tomb also witnessed the risen Christ.
  
  
• Two disciples on the road to Emmaus: Jesus walked and talked with them, revealing himself later.
  
  
• The eleven apostles: They saw Jesus in the upper room and later on a mountain in Galilee.
  
  
• More than 500 brethren: One scripture passage mentions Jesus appearing to over 500 people at once.
  
  
• James, the brother of Jesus: This was a special appearance to his half-brother, who was initially a skeptic.
  
  
• Seven disciples on the Sea of Galilee: Jesus appeared to them while they were fishing.
  
  
• Apostle Paul: Paul himself claims to have seen the risen Christ.

 

[ding]

Every single eyewitness account of someone "seeing" Jesus after the crucifixion was an eyewitness account of what was seen and heard in dreams, the medium through which God communicates, the only realm where the things reported could have possibly happened and be the truth. Dead people do not pop into and out of locked rooms to spook their friends, eat fish, float up into the sky, ask someone to poke their wounds, etc., Thats actual reality.

Jesus said in Matthew 26:32 "After I have risen AGAIN, I will go before you to Galilee.” Catholic Public Domain Version

There are two resurrections. The first is from the death, a curse, from sin, such as idolatry, lying in the name of God, or any false religious political or secular beliefs. The second resurrection is from the death of the physical body. Those who partake in the first resurrection cannot be harmed by the second death, the death of the body. (Rev. 20:6)

The disciples seeing Jesus in a dreams convinced them that he survived death and was in the realm of God, the reward of the righteous, which gave them faith to die a good death.

Now you know.

All four canonical Gospels make a concerted and central effort to portray that Jesus rose from the dead, presenting it as a physical, historical, and transformative event. While the narratives differ in specific details—which scholars often interpret as complementary, independent eyewitness accounts rather than contradictions—they consistently agree on the core truth that the tomb was empty and Jesus appeared to his followers.

Key Evidence of a Concerted Effort

The Gospels employ several strategies to assert the reality of the resurrection:

• The Empty Tomb & Early Witnesses: All four Gospels record that women were the first witnesses to the empty tomb on Sunday morning, an detail that would have been unlikely to be fabricated in 1st-century Jewish culture where a woman's testimony was often not accepted.
• Physicality of the Risen Jesus: To combat early notions that Jesus only rose spiritually, the Gospels emphasize a physical resurrection. Luke 24:39-43 describes Jesus eating fish and showing his "flesh and bones," while John 20:24-29 features Jesus inviting Thomas to touch his wounds.
• Post-Resurrection Appearances: The Gospels record multiple appearances to individuals and groups, including Mary Magdalene, other women, the disciples in locked rooms, and on the road to Emmaus, designed to prove he was alive.
• The Great Commission: The Gospel narratives culminate in Jesus appearing to his disciples to authorize their mission, cementing the resurrection as the foundation of the Christian faith.

Thematic Differences in the Narratives

While the message is consistent, the authors emphasize different aspects:

• Matthew (28): Highlights the earthquake, the guarding of the tomb, and Jesus' appearance to the women.
• Mark (16): Originally ends abruptly with the empty tomb and fearful women, though the longer ending (16:9-20) adds later,, traditional post-resurrection appearances.
• Luke (24): Focuses on the road to Emmaus appearance and the physical, touchable nature of Jesus, emphasizing the fulfillment of Scripture.
• John (20-21): Provides detailed accounts of Mary Magdalene at the tomb and the doubting Thomas scene, placing strong emphasis on the personal, intimate nature of the interactions.

The consistent, albeit varied, reporting of these events suggests a deliberate effort by the gospel writers to affirm that the resurrection was not a myth or legend, but a concrete event.

 

[hobelim]

That's a lot of dreams.

And what does history tell us about Thomas? He spent the rest of his life declaring Jesus did return from the dead, He is the Son of God, even to the point of being put to death for his faith in southern India.

Right. He appeared to Thomas in a dream which convinced him that Jesus returned from the dead to tell him that life exists beyond the grave and that he was alive forever in the realm of God, the reward of the righteous, removing his doubts that Jesus was the Son of God, a relational metaphor for the prophet described in great detail in Deuteronomy 18:18

 

[hobelim]

All four canonical Gospels make a concerted and central effort to portray that Jesus rose from the dead, presenting it as a physical, historical, and transformative event.

It seems like a physical event only those ignorant of thousands of years of Jewish beliefs and literary expressions. Just like Abraham had a vision of the Lord during the heat of the day when people take siestas, sleep, and dream. And its not an accident that it was written in a way that would divert the faithless, like you, into a strange irrational delusion.

 

[ding]

Right. He appeared to Thomas in a dream which convinced him that Jesus returned from the dead to tell him that life exists beyond the grave and that he was alive forever in the realm of God, the reward of the righteous, removing his doubts that Jesus was the Son of God, a relational metaphor for the prophet described in great detail in Deuteronomy 18:18

That's not how the gospels recorded it. The gospels recorded it as a physical, historical, concrete event.

• Post-Resurrection Appearances: The Gospels record multiple appearances to individuals and groups, including Mary Magdalene, other women, the disciples in locked rooms, and on the road to Emmaus, designed to prove he was alive.
• The Great Commission: The Gospel narratives culminate in Jesus appearing to his disciples to authorize their mission, cementing the resurrection as the foundation of the Christian faith.

Which they did.

 

[ding]

It seems like a physical event only those ignorant of thousands of years of Jewish beliefs and literary expressions.

And its not an accident that it was written in a way that would divert the faithless, like you, into a delusion.

It certainly explains why the apostles behaved as they did after the resurrection.

 

[hobelim]

That's not how the gospels recorded it. The gospels recorded it as a physical, historical, concrete event.

So what. In Genesis it says "let there be light" and numbskulls like you can't see, even when shown, that the subject is not about the creation of the universe but the creation of heaven and earth, a world above and a world below, divided by the firmament, basis, of heaven after Law as "a light to the nations" was SPOKEN into existence only 3500 years ago.

 

[ding]

So what. In Genesis it says "let there be light" and numbskulls like you can't see, even when shown, that the subject is not about the creation of the universe but the creation of heaven and earth, a world above and a world below, divided by the firmament, basis, of heaven after Law as "a light to the nations" was spoken into existence only 3500 years ago.

Don't try to change the subject because all you have is speculation and have run out of things to say. Especially since you are just as ignorant about OT texts as you are about NT texts. All four canonical Gospels make a concerted and central effort to portray that Jesus rose from the dead, presenting it as a physical, historical, and transformative event. No where in there are visions and dreams.

 

[hobelim]

No where in there are visions and dreams.

One thing you don't understand about Jewish sacred writ is that they didn't have to say it was a dream because intelligent people know that these things don't happen in reality just like when Ezekiel was carried from Babylon to Jerusalem by an angel holding his hair and told to dig through 10 feet of solid stone with his bare hands to see the corruption going on inside and there is absolutely no mention at all of this all happening during a dream. Right?

Anyway who would have to be told that this all occurred in a dream? I mean other than you.

 

[ding]

One thing you don't understand about Jewish sacred writ is that they didn't have to say it was a dream because intelligent people know that these things don't happen in reality just like when Ezekiel was carried from Babylon to Jerusalem by an angel holding his hair and told to dig through 10 feet of solid stone with his bare hands to see the corruption going on inside and there is absolutely no mention at all of this all happening during a dream.

Anyway who would have to be told that this all occurred in a dream? I mean other than you..

The other day you argued the gospels were a conspiracy. Today you are arguing they aren't. Pick a lane. Your dishonesty is giving me a headache.

 

[ding]

One thing you don't understand about Jewish sacred writ is that they didn't have to say it was a dream because intelligent people know that these things don't happen in reality just like when Ezekiel was carried from Babylon to Jerusalem by an angel holding his hair and told to dig through 10 feet of solid stone with his bare hands to see the corruption going on inside and there is absolutely no mention at all of this all happening during a dream. Right?

Anyway who would have to be told that this all occurred in a dream? I mean other than you.

The Gospels were intentionally written to present Jesus' supernatural acts as real, historical events, using ancient historiographical techniques like specific details and known locations to persuade early Christian communities of Jesus' divine nature and resurrection.

 

[ding]

No, I said that Rome assimilated and perverted Christianity with Mithraism, the secret Babylonian MYSTERY RELIGION of the Roman Government and military, creating the Antichrist, a false substitute counterfeit Jesus, a mangod, created in the image and likeness of Mithras, and unleashed on the world in 325ce.


Wrong.

What I did is make you aware that you have been diverted by superstitious archaic lore. Thinking of all the time and money you wasted in church is what is giving you a headache.

You were arguing Paul conspired with Rome. Now you are arguing Paul had visions and dreams of the resurrection of Jesus.

As if the Romans had no vested interest in conspiring with Paul to bury the teachings of Jesus under a mountain of blasphemy upon which your Roman church sits like a dragon.