Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[TNHarley]

A better question is why would you use language that was incendiary unless it was done so intentionally. Which then leads to the question, why would you need to do that?

Because its true and it makes no sense.
"oh so you like that golden cow? BOOM I just killed all your children. Now what?"

 

[Meriweather]

Wrong. I didn't know that term but I was taught by my mother when I was 3 or 4 that any talking animal in a children's story represent a person. I knew that for half my life by the time I heard about A&E, and knew it was like any children's story when a crafty talking serpent was introduced.

What your church has done is the same as if someone read the story of the three pigs and 'believed" there was a magical time in the past when pigs could talk and build houses, and so many statues were built to honor the wise pig, and many churches were built in which to worship, solemnly pray to and eat the wise pig in the form of bacon, asking for guidance..

In other words insane.

No, the Catholic Church did nothing of the sort.

Why are you so eager to tell people what they "really" believe and what their faith "really" teaches. It is not the people, their faith, or their church/synagogue/temple who are insane. As the verse in Isaiah...you have no understanding....And, in addition to that, a grisly imagination.

 

[norwegen]

You said it yourself, spiritual war. That's not protesting, that's not taking up arms against an oppressive overlord not political resistance. It's recognizing what's behind those tyrants and dictators and fighting that.

Here's what you conveniently ignore:

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood". That means it's not earthly, it's supernatural. I know you reject anything supernatural, but that's your problem. We don't struggle against an earthly dictator, president, king, etc. This is a spiritual struggle against the forces of darkness and rebellion against God.

"against principalities, against powers, against the potentates of the darkness of this world". This is spiritual imagery, not physical and not earthy.

"against spiritual wickedness". Again, not earthly.

Jesus never advocated that His followers should rebel against Rome, despite the oppression Rome imposed.

True, Jesus didn't advocate rebellion against Rome. But Rome wasn't really an oppressor.

 

[ding]

I didn't know that term but I was taught by my mother when I was 3 or 4 that any talking animal in a children's story represent a person.

Your mother was wrong. The serpent in Genesis is widely interpreted as Satan (the Devil) or a demonic force, even though the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) itself only calls it a "wily beast," with later New Testament books like Revelation explicitly linking the "ancient serpent" to Satan, while some Jewish interpretations see it as sexual desire or a fallen angel (not necessarily Satan).

 

[ding]

Yeah totally inconsistent but ok, pagan.

How is it totally inconsistent?

 

[TNHarley]

Imagine cursing all of mankind for eternity, because some chick ate from a tree of KNOWLEDGE.
And you knew she would.. What a psycho.

 

[ding]

Because its true and it makes no sense.
"oh so you like that golden cow? BOOM I just killed all your children. Now what?"

Is that so?

People insult others due to deep-seated insecurity, jealousy, and a need for power or status, often stemming from personal pain, anger, or low self-esteem, using insults as a defense mechanism, projection, or to feel superior by putting others down. It's a way to lash out, exert control, or cope with their own misery, projecting their internal negativity onto others to temporarily feel better or distract from their own problems, says Psychology Today.

Common Psychological Drivers:

• Insecurity & Jealousy: People feeling inadequate or envious of someone else's success, looks, or character might insult them to diminish that person and feel better about themselves.
• Anger & Frustration:
  Unresolved anger or stress can erupt as insults, a way to release negative emotions
  .
• • Need for Control/Power: Insulting someone can be a tactic to establish dominance or feel powerful, especially if they feel powerless in other areas of their life.
  • Projection: Attributing one's own unwanted traits or feelings (like insecurity or inadequacy) onto someone else.
  • Trauma Response: Early negative experiences or unresolved childhood pain can lead to behaviors like lashing out as a subconscious defense.
  • Low Self-Esteem: A person who feels bad about themselves might try to make others feel worse to elevate their own perceived status.

Social & Cultural Factors:

• Status & Hierarchy: Insults can be used to challenge or reinforce social pecking orders, targeting perceived deficiencies in intelligence, ancestry, or social standing.
• Tribalism: Fear of difference or rejection by a group can trigger insults against those perceived as outsiders or threats to the "tribe".

In essence, insults are often a reflection of the insulter's inner turmoil, used as a weapon to cope with their own pain, insecurities, or desire for dominance, rather than a true reflection of the person being insulted, notes Vocal Media.

 

[hadit]

Because its true and it makes no sense.
"oh so you like that golden cow? BOOM I just killed all your children. Now what?"

Isn't that what you wanted, God killing off those He knows will never follow Him?

 

[hobelim]

Your mother was wrong. The serpent in Genesis is widely interpreted as Satan (the Devil) or a demonic force,

The talking serpent is a metaphor for a human archetype, a liar and con artist like trump. Simple. (and there goes your A&E were the first people bullshit right out the window) its not about invisible demonic forces except if you are blind. In scripture every creature from angels to devils and every animal in-between whether clean or unclean represents the heights and depths of human potential.The descendants of that talking serpent would persecute the Jewish people and all those who maintain allegiance to Jesus which leaves you out. You as a snack to a devil are being digested by caustic juices in the belly of the beast

You exist without life in hell on the wrong side of the law. But if being in hell makes you happy, enjoy!

 

[hadit]

Imagine cursing all of mankind for eternity, because some chick ate from a tree of KNOWLEDGE.
And you knew she would.. What a psycho.

Better to be robots unable to rebel despite knowing the consequences?

 

[norwegen]

Imagine cursing all of mankind for eternity, because some chick ate from a tree of KNOWLEDGE.
And you knew she would.. What a psycho.

God cursed all of mankind? The Chinese? The Amerindians? The South Africans? No, obviously not.

 

[ding]

Imagine cursing all of mankind for eternity, because some chick ate from a tree of KNOWLEDGE.
And you knew she would.. What a psycho.

Maybe stop reading it like you attend Westboro Baptist church.

The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil symbolizes humanity's choice to pursue moral autonomy (deciding for themselves what's right/wrong) rather than divine guidance, testing free will and leading to the "Fall" into sin, suffering, and mortality; it represents a shift from God's wisdom to self-judgment, a dangerous ambition to be like God in defining morality, and the source of spiritual death, not inherently evil but a test of obedience.

Core Meanings

• Moral Autonomy vs. Divine Law: The tree embodies the choice to define good and evil independently, apart from God's will, a path that leads to spiritual separation and death.
• Testing Free Will: It served as a command, a test of Adam and Eve's obedience and love for God, showing that the act of disobedience, not the tree itself, was the transgression.
• The "Fall": Consuming its fruit initiated the "Fall," bringing awareness of sin (nakedness) and introducing evil, suffering, and mortality into the world.
• Human Ambition: It represents the desire to attain God's level of wisdom and judgment, usurping God's role as the sole source of moral truth.

Theological Interpretations

• Not Inherently Evil: The tree wasn't evil in itself, but a neutral object whose significance came from God's command.
• Satan's Corruption: Some see it as a representation of Satan's corrupting influence, presenting a deceptive path to wisdom.
• Mystery of Iniquity: In some traditions, it symbolizes the "Mystery of Iniquity" (2 Thess 2:7), contrasted with the Tree of Life (Christ) as the "Mystery of Godliness" (1 Tim 3:16).

 

[TNHarley]

Is that so?

People insult others due to deep-seated insecurity, jealousy, and a need for power or status, often stemming from personal pain, anger, or low self-esteem, using insults as a defense mechanism, projection, or to feel superior by putting others down. It's a way to lash out, exert control, or cope with their own misery, projecting their internal negativity onto others to temporarily feel better or distract from their own problems, says Psychology Today.

Common Psychological Drivers:

• Insecurity & Jealousy: People feeling inadequate or envious of someone else's success, looks, or character might insult them to diminish that person and feel better about themselves.
• Anger & Frustration:
  Unresolved anger or stress can erupt as insults, a way to release negative emotions
  .
• • Need for Control/Power: Insulting someone can be a tactic to establish dominance or feel powerful, especially if they feel powerless in other areas of their life.
  • Projection: Attributing one's own unwanted traits or feelings (like insecurity or inadequacy) onto someone else.
  • Trauma Response: Early negative experiences or unresolved childhood pain can lead to behaviors like lashing out as a subconscious defense.
  • Low Self-Esteem: A person who feels bad about themselves might try to make others feel worse to elevate their own perceived status.

Social & Cultural Factors:

• Status & Hierarchy: Insults can be used to challenge or reinforce social pecking orders, targeting perceived deficiencies in intelligence, ancestry, or social standing.
• Tribalism: Fear of difference or rejection by a group can trigger insults against those perceived as outsiders or threats to the "tribe".

In essence, insults are often a reflection of the insulter's inner turmoil, used as a weapon to cope with their own pain, insecurities, or desire for dominance, rather than a true reflection of the person being insulted, notes Vocal Media.

Its true. Sorry if you cant handle truth, pagan
Guess thats why you always insult me, right?

 

[TNHarley]

Maybe stop reading it like you attend Westboro Baptist church.

The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil symbolizes humanity's choice to pursue moral autonomy (deciding for themselves what's right/wrong) rather than divine guidance, testing free will and leading to the "Fall" into sin, suffering, and mortality; it represents a shift from God's wisdom to self-judgment, a dangerous ambition to be like God in defining morality, and the source of spiritual death, not inherently evil but a test of obedience.

Core Meanings

• Moral Autonomy vs. Divine Law: The tree embodies the choice to define good and evil independently, apart from God's will, a path that leads to spiritual separation and death.
• Testing Free Will: It served as a command, a test of Adam and Eve's obedience and love for God, showing that the act of disobedience, not the tree itself, was the transgression.
• The "Fall": Consuming its fruit initiated the "Fall," bringing awareness of sin (nakedness) and introducing evil, suffering, and mortality into the world.
• Human Ambition: It represents the desire to attain God's level of wisdom and judgment, usurping God's role as the sole source of moral truth.

Theological Interpretations

• Not Inherently Evil: The tree wasn't evil in itself, but a neutral object whose significance came from God's command.
• Satan's Corruption: Some see it as a representation of Satan's corrupting influence, presenting a deceptive path to wisdom.
• Mystery of Iniquity: In some traditions, it symbolizes the "Mystery of Iniquity" (2 Thess 2:7), contrasted with the Tree of Life (Christ) as the "Mystery of Godliness" (1 Tim 3:16).

Yeah I need to make stuff up like you do, pagan. Thats the ticket.

 

[ding]

The talking serpent was a metaphor for a human archetype, a liar and con artist like trump. Simple. No invisible demonic forces except if you are blind. In fact in scripture every creature from angels to devils and every animal in-between whether clean or unclean represent the heights and depths of human potential. (and there goes your A&E were the first people bullshit right out the window) The descendants of that talking serpent would persecute the Jewish people and all those who maintain allegiance to Jesus which leaves you out.

You exist without life in hell on the wrong side of the law. But if being in hell makes you happy, enjoy!

Biblical scholars view the Genesis serpent as symbolic, representing temptation, evil, or Satan, acting as an archetype for deception and spiritual rebellion.

 

[TNHarley]

God cursed all of mankind? The Chinese? The Amerindians? The South Africans? No, obviously not.

Those people dont experience pain during childbirth? Those people dont have to work the land? Wow, I never knew that. lol

 

[ding]

Yeah I need to make stuff up like you do, pagan. Thats the ticket.

That came from google AI. Do you suppose I have power over google AI like I do over you too?

 

[TNHarley]

Isn't that what you wanted, God killing off those He knows will never follow Him?

WHY DID HE MAKE THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE?
Why cant ANY of you answer that freaking question? I understand yall are scared of the answer but my gawd. At least save some face and stop replying. Good grief.

 

[norwegen]

Those people dont experience pain during childbirth? Those people dont have to work the land? Wow, I never knew that. lol

Those people are not part of the narrative.

You at least know that much, I hope.

 

[ding]

Its true. Sorry if you cant handle truth, pagan
Guess thats why you always insult me, right?

I think I'll go with what psychologists believe about why people insult others rather than the person using insults.