Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[hadit]

All of us doesn't want to be Christian. Its punitive and primitive.

And you still have not told me why you should expect to live in Bill Gate's house and have him take care of you.

 

[ding]

AGAIN, with your comprehension issues, you completely skip my point.
Why would a supreme being create something he knows he will have to punish for eternity? Thats psychotic crap.
If god was a human, he would be locked in the mental ward of a maximum security facility.

The same reason you got married even though you knew divorce was a risk... love. Not everyone gets divorced. Not everyone separates themselves from God. Based on your logic you would never do anything because there was a risk of failure.

 

[hadit]

AGAIN, with your comprehension issues, you completely skip my point.
Why would a supreme being create something he knows he will have to punish for eternity? Thats psychotic crap.
If god was a human, he would be locked in the mental ward of a maximum security facility.

Choice. Without consequences, there is no choice. Here's the reality, you know what God demands and you choose to ignore Him. As I've asked multiple times, why is God required to accept you into His glory for eternity when you rebel against Him?

 

[Meriweather]

Why would a supreme being create something he knows he will have to punish for eternity?

Wouldn't it be self-punishment when someone chooses to separate themselves from God? How do you get that God honoring this individual's choice is God's punishment?

 

[hadit]

Wouldn't it be self-punishment when someone chooses to separate themselves from God? How do you get that God honoring this individual's choice is God's punishment?

I think a lot of people don't realize what separation from God really means. They don't understand that everything good comes from Him, and if you're cut off from that, only evil and misery remain. It doesn't have to be active punishment to be the most horrible, eternal experience ever.

You can't increase darkness you can only take away light.
You can't increase cold you can only take away heat.
Likewise, taking away God's presence increases His opposite, evil.

 

[Hafar1014]

And you still have not told me why you should expect to live in Bill Gate's house and have him take care of you.

You do know you make no sense or do you

 

[Hafar1014]

Choice. Without consequences, there is no choice. Here's the reality, you know what God demands and you choose to ignore Him. As I've asked multiple times, why is God required to accept you into His glory for eternity when you rebel against Him?

God doesnt demand people demand in the name of God so we just say STFU

 

[TNHarley]

The same reason you got married even though you knew divorce was a risk... love. Not everyone gets divorced. Not everyone separates themselves from God. Based on your logic you would never do anything because there was a risk of failure.

So he guesses? Not very omniscient.

 

[hadit]

You do know you make no sense or do you

You complain that you will be eternally separated from God if you refuse to follow the path he created for you to be redeemed. Like I said, Bill Gates has a nice house. Why should you not be entitled to ring his doorbell and move in? If he can reject you because you have no relationship with him, why is it incumbent on God to accept you when you have steadfastly refused all relationship with Him?

 

[TNHarley]

Choice. Without consequences, there is no choice. Here's the reality, you know what God demands and you choose to ignore Him. As I've asked multiple times, why is God required to accept you into His glory for eternity when you rebel against Him?

But he is supposedly omniscient. So why would he create something he knows he is going to punish for eternity?

 

[Orangecat]

Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?​

Jesus would be Trump’s VP if he was alive today.

 

[hadit]

God doesnt demand people demand in the name of God so we just say STFU

On the contrary, God does indeed have a set of demands that you need to follow to be redeemed to Him. They are very easy demands, but the outcome is quite life changing. Saying otherwise is just an excuse to rebel against Him and expect Him to just ignore it.

 

[Hafar1014]

The same reason you got married even though you knew divorce was a risk... love. Not everyone gets divorced. Not everyone separates themselves from God. Based on your logic you would never do anything because there was a risk of failure.

Many separate themselves from your god because for us thats the right thing to do and we are better off

 

[Hafar1014]

On the contrary, God does indeed have a set of demands that you need to follow to be redeemed to Him. They are very easy demands, but the outcome is quite life changing. Saying otherwise is just an excuse to rebel against Him and expect Him to just ignore it.

Thats your God so Im not in his jurisdiction.

 

[hobelim]

I have to correct you on that. Jesus said to give Caesar what belongs to him

Jesus said that to someone who was trying to frame a charge against him. His answer was brilliant. To the average Roman shill standing around it sounded like he was advocating submission to Rome, paying taxes, but to the faithful standing around it sounded like the exact opposite. Give nothing to Caesar because nothing belonged to Caesar and everything belonged to God especially in Judea.

 

[hadit]

But he is supposedly omniscient. So why would he create something he knows he is going to punish for eternity?

Again, choice. I do not claim to know all of God's mind on this because He's a whole lot more advanced than I am, but it would seem that He wants children who CHOOSE to be in relationship with Him. If there are no consequences to choice, then there is no true choice.

If I am presented with a choice of five desserts at a restaurant and I choose one, the consequences are that I don't get the other four. If I reject all the choices, the consequences are that I don't get any of them, and I'm hardly justified in complaining about not getting anything. God gives you a choice, and if you reject Him, you hardly have room to complain.

 

[TNHarley]

Again, choice. I do not claim to know all of God's mind on this because He's a whole lot more advanced than I am, but it would seem that He wants children who CHOOSE to be in relationship with Him. If there are no consequences to choice, then there is no true choice.

If I am presented with a choice of five desserts at a restaurant and I choose one, the consequences are that I don't get the other four. If I reject all the choices, the consequences are that I don't get any of them, and I'm hardly justified in complaining about not getting anything. God gives you a choice, and if you reject Him, you hardly have room to complain.

Again, why would he create something when he knows what choice they will make?
Either he is a psychotic freak, or he is not omniscient.

 

[hobelim]

Wouldn't it be self-punishment when someone chooses to separate themselves from God?

Isn't that contradicted by your delusional belief in original sin? Innocent children who haven't leaned the difference between good and evil much less how to chose good and reject evil are born sinners, separated from God? Because Adam did something stupid in a fairy tale?

Geez!

 

[hadit]

Jesus said that to someone who was trying to frame a charge against him. His answer was brilliant. To the average Roman shill standing around it sounded like he was advocating submission to Rome, paying taxes, but to the faithful standing around it sounded like the exact opposite. Give nothing to Caesar because nothing belonged to Caesar and everything belonged to God especially in Judea.

Except the coin had Caesar's face on it and taxes belonged to him. Now, I know you probably have two or three imaginative alternate beliefs because you can't accept the Bible at face value no matter what, but it's clear that Jesus was not political.

 

[hadit]

Again, why would he create something when he knows what choice they will make?
Either he is a psychotic freak, or he is not omniscient.

You forget all those He created that DO accept His plan of redemption. He is complete justice and complete mercy. Would you have Him murder all those He knows will reject Him at the first sign of rebellion?

Here's the bottom line, you know the way, you know what He expects and you choose to reject Him. Why do you then blame him for your own choices?