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My question is..that pic of him with that young girl where she is grasping the railing..is that a young soon yi or one of his new adoptive daughters?
Second question is...would ANYONE here on this thread ever let Woody Allen be alone with your 7 year old kid for an hour or two?
I have no idea if Woody Allen is a molester or not.
All I know is that Mia Farrow is one snake of an ex wife.
If he molested my kids and married one of our adopted kids, I'd want to ruin him too.
It's funny to see who will defend child molesters.
Woody Allen is a scumbag, banging his adoptive daughter. SCUM. BAG.
I hope Mia does destroy him but Hollywood seems to think it's A OK to fuck ones daughter even if she is an adoptive one.
it's so unbelievable....everybody crucifying a man with hearsay...
I would like to see you in his shoes....people are weird or ignorant or I don't what...
Coming from someone that would crucify Mia Farrow on hearsay?
I really don't care for Allen or his humor or movies.
Whether he has done what has been rumored, innocent until proven guilty.
Well we do know he married his adopted daughter.
Here he is as her Dad
Here he is as her Husband
Did Woody Allen Molest His Adopted Daughter 22 Years Ago?
On This Day In 1997, Woody Allen Marries His Adopted Step-Daughter Soon-Yi Previn | Today in History
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There's a real simple explanation for "finger fuck" I sprained my wrist and I'm stuck typing with only one hand and it's making me crazy to type this slow.
Consequently I'm taking short cuts with words and phrases and "finger fuck" is a hell of a lot easier than continually typing in "vaginal penetration with his finger while kissing her all over".
Regarding the Judge. It was his open attack on what a piece of shit Woody was as a father that was astonishing.
I mean he ripped Woody a new asshole in his judgement.
Re: Dylan well hell's bells I've brought up the testimony of the babysitters, court documents and today I brought to the board a fabulous op ed of a professional child abuse investigator who really pointed out in this piece how horrifically this case was handled.
It's worth the read. I don't know if Dylan was molested or not. I only jumped in on the Dylan part to try to smack down those who were just rabidly going after Mia Farrow.
I mean hell's bells your babysitters employer calls you and tells you she saw Woody on his knees in front of Dylan with his head in her lap and then Dylan tells Mia what Daddy did, what the hell was Mia to do?
Ignore it? Tell the child she's imagining shit? Tell her she's a bad girl for making up lies?
I believe Mia did the only thing she could do. Take her to a doctor and have an investigation started.
Frankly I was just keeping to the "creepy" part of Soon Yi before certain individuals wanted to get into a dust up. I will always oblige
This really really worth the read.
Patrick Perion is a child abuse investigator in Illinois. In this article he gives his professional opinion on the Woody Allen/Dylan Farrow abuse case.
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I have discussed what I felt was germane to the topic.
[MENTION=40540]Connery[/MENTION]
And I have discussed it from the point of view of a clinician. Yet, they simply refuse to see reality.
When my children were VERY young and I was a stay at home mom, I saw a TV show about people who had been molested as children. They didn't have 'good touch bad touch' then, but the recommendation was to give children permission to decline to associate with anyone who made them feel uncomfortable. On the show it said that most victims knew something was wrong but did not leave the situation because the person was a family member or a trusted friend. That is what I did with my children. I told them that if ANYONE, no matter who it was, made them uncomfortable not to be around the person. Years later, my daughter told me of someone in my late husband's family she really felt was a creep and had avoided like the plague when she was very young because of what I told her would not stay around him. I was glad to know that. I don't know if he ever perpetrated anyone, but he was a sleaze bag.
Years later after I had been to school and was working I asked all of my patients who were survivors if they had any inkling that something was wrong. To the person, Just as on the show, they all said 'yes' but that the person was a trusted relative, family friend, bus driver, teacher, shopkeeper, neighbor, etc. Most of us have gut feelings. Few of us have permission to follow our gut feelings.
I recommend a book: The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker. Anyone who reads it will have no problem believing in and heeding their gut feelings about other people.
As we progress to the master's level as clinicians, we learn the models and theories, but we never forget that if we walk into a group of people and the hair on the back of our necks stands up, something is definitely wrong.
Thank you for your thoughtful post. In my various capacities scout leader, volunteer at my son's school etc I am around children a great deal and I am required to take numerous courses regarding some of the issues expressed in this thread. I have read what many people have said, I have taken in constructive posts such as yours and they gave me pause and time to reflect on different elements of Allen's behavior, Dylan's behavior and that of the family unit. I looked at this thread in a global way rather than the sole issue of Allen's guilt or innocence. In fact, I have not thought much about that , although I have tried to look at all the facts, circumstances etc. that were available.
One thing I do know...kid's can tell tales, kids have very active and vivid imaginations and kids can easily be manipulated by those they love and trust. IMO the telltale sign is in the behavior of the child and whether that behavior is aberrant or within normal parameters and from there with counseling the truth can be drawn out over time. Then perhaps the road to healing can traversed it is rife with pain, however, when the other end is reached the person may begin to feel whole.
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There's a real simple explanation for "finger fuck" I sprained my wrist and I'm stuck typing with only one hand and it's making me crazy to type this slow.
Consequently I'm taking short cuts with words and phrases and "finger fuck" is a hell of a lot easier than continually typing in "vaginal penetration with his finger while kissing her all over".
Regarding the Judge. It was his open attack on what a piece of shit Woody was as a father that was astonishing.
I mean he ripped Woody a new asshole in his judgement.
Re: Dylan well hell's bells I've brought up the testimony of the babysitters, court documents and today I brought to the board a fabulous op ed of a professional child abuse investigator who really pointed out in this piece how horrifically this case was handled.
It's worth the read. I don't know if Dylan was molested or not. I only jumped in on the Dylan part to try to smack down those who were just rabidly going after Mia Farrow.
I mean hell's bells your babysitters employer calls you and tells you she saw Woody on his knees in front of Dylan with his head in her lap and then Dylan tells Mia what Daddy did, what the hell was Mia to do?
Ignore it? Tell the child she's imagining shit? Tell her she's a bad girl for making up lies?
I believe Mia did the only thing she could do. Take her to a doctor and have an investigation started.
Frankly I was just keeping to the "creepy" part of Soon Yi before certain individuals wanted to get into a dust up. I will always oblige
This really really worth the read.
Patrick Perion is a child abuse investigator in Illinois. In this article he gives his professional opinion on the Woody Allen/Dylan Farrow abuse case.
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Your "professional" abuse investigator was not there, did not talk to any of the witnesses, and is just speculating on media reports. Therefore, he's really not very "professional".
But let's look at what we have as REAL evidence.
No Physical evidence.
Dylan couldn't keep her story straight when she talked to the first people who examined her at Yales.
Allen took a lie detector test and passed.
Moses Farrow has said nothing happened and his mother is batshit crazy.
The Prosecutor, as much as he wanted to, did not press charges.
But, hey, fuck all that kind of evidence and concepts of reasonable doubt.
let's hang him because we think his relationship with an adult (Soon-Yi) is creepy.
I love to argue and debate so here goes. 
Give me a break. 
I am curious as to those who are claiming Allen is innocent due to no proof. Would THEY let their 7 year old child be with Allen for an hour or two, alone?
A valiant effort there JoeB. But all your points are so easily refutable.
What physical evidence do you want? Dylan was very specific that she was only penetrated by her Father's fingers. There could be no semen. So how could there be physical evidence?
Moses didn't see anything? Seriously what the hell does that mean? How many brothers and sisters never knew that Daddy was targeting one of the family in sexual abuse cases? Happens all the time.
Moses is Johnny Nada. Of course he didn't see anything. Daddy didn't invite him to a front row seat did he now?
Re: Soon Yi For me she doesn't count in the sense that as perverse as it was, it has only to do with how the other children like Ronan feel about their father/brother in law and Soon Yi sister/step mother.
That's FUBAR'D no matter how you slice and dice it.
But and please duly note this, it factored into the Judge's judgement to give Farrow full custody.
Passing a lie dector test?
I should have been a defense lawyer!
I like to defend men from snake ex-wives!
I should have been a great one too!
The 78-year-old filmmaker says Dylan Farrow's open letter published last week by The New York Times includes "creative flourishes that seem to have magically appeared during our 21-year estrangement." "Of course, I did not molest Dylan," writes Allen. "I loved her and hope one day she will grasp how she has been cheated out of having a loving father and exploited by a mother more interested in her own festering anger than her daughter's well-being." Allen was investigated for the alleged molestation, but was never charged. A team of child abuse specialists from the Yale-New Haven Hospital, brought in to the case by prosecutors and police, concluded that Dylan Farrow had not been molested. "Now it's 21 years later and Dylan has come forward with the accusations that the Yale experts investigated and found false," Allen said. At the time of the breakup of their 12-year relationship more than two decades ago, Mia Farrow accused Allen of molesting Dylan Farrow. Allen has consistently denied the abuse allegation.
Their split followed the discovery of an affair between Allen and Mia Farrow's adopted daughter, Soon-Yi Previn, when she was 19 or 21. (Her official date of birth is uncertain.) Allen and Previn married in 1997 and have two adopted daughters. "I still loved (Dylan) deeply, and felt guilty that by falling in love with Soon-Yi I had put her in the position of being used as a pawn for revenge," Allen said. The "Annie Hall" and "Blue Jasmine" director again claims in his open letter that 7-year-old Dylan Farrow was coached by Mia Farrow. "Not that I doubt Dylan hasn't come to believe she's been molested, but if from the age of 7 a vulnerable child is taught by a strong mother to hate her father because he is a monster who abused her, is it so inconceivable that after many years of this indoctrination the image of me Mia wanted to establish had taken root?" Allen said.
Dylan Farrow claimed in her letter last week that in 1992 at the family's Connecticut home, Allen led her to a "dim, closet-like attic" and "then he sexually assaulted me." Dylan Farrow didn't specify Allen's actions, but described other abusive behavior. Allen said in his letter he believes Mia Farrow concocted those details, and they were inspired by the Dory Previn song "With My Daddy in the Attic." "Does the letter really benefit Dylan or does it simply advance her mother's shabby agenda?" Allen said. "That is to hurt me with a smear. There is even a lame attempt to do professional damage by trying to involve movie stars, which smells a lot more like Mia than Dylan."
In his letter, Allen recounts several anecdotes to call Mia Farrow's integrity into question. He also addressed the claim by Mia Farrow that her ex-husband Frank Sinatra could be the father of son Ronan Farrow, not Allen. "Even if he is not Frank's, the possibility she raises that he could be, indicates she was secretly intimate with him during our years," said Allen. "Not to mention all the money I paid for child support. Was I supporting Frank's son? Again, I want to call attention to the integrity and honesty of a person who conducts her life like that."
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Woody Allen has always seemed creepy to me. I'm not familiar with his work because I could never get past the creep-factor long enough to give his movies a chance.
I don't blame you, Sunshine. I'm just surprised the thread hasn't been long forgotten.@Connery
And I have discussed it from the point of view of a clinician. Yet, they simply refuse to see reality.
When my children were VERY young and I was a stay at home mom, I saw a TV show about people who had been molested as children. They didn't have 'good touch bad touch' then, but the recommendation was to give children permission to decline to associate with anyone who made them feel uncomfortable. On the show it said that most victims knew something was wrong but did not leave the situation because the person was a family member or a trusted friend. That is what I did with my children. I told them that if ANYONE, no matter who it was, made them uncomfortable not to be around the person. Years later, my daughter told me of someone in my late husband's family she really felt was a creep and had avoided like the plague when she was very young because of what I told her would not stay around him. I was glad to know that. I don't know if he ever perpetrated anyone, but he was a sleaze bag.
Years later after I had been to school and was working I asked all of my patients who were survivors if they had any inkling that something was wrong. To the person, Just as on the show, they all said 'yes' but that the person was a trusted relative, family friend, bus driver, teacher, shopkeeper, neighbor, etc. Most of us have gut feelings. Few of us have permission to follow our gut feelings.
I recommend a book: The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker. Anyone who reads it will have no problem believing in and heeding their gut feelings about other people.
As we progress to the master's level as clinicians, we learn the models and theories, but we never forget that if we walk into a group of people and the hair on the back of our necks stands up, something is definitely wrong.
Thank you for your thoughtful post. In my various capacities scout leader, volunteer at my son's school etc I am around children a great deal and I am required to take numerous courses regarding some of the issues expressed in this thread. I have read what many people have said, I have taken in constructive posts such as yours and they gave me pause and time to reflect on different elements of Allen's behavior, Dylan's behavior and that of the family unit. I looked at this thread in a global way rather than the sole issue of Allen's guilt or innocence. In fact, I have not thought much about that , although I have tried to look at all the facts, circumstances etc. that were available.
One thing I do know...kid's can tell tales, kids have very active and vivid imaginations and kids can easily be manipulated by those they love and trust. IMO the telltale sign is in the behavior of the child and whether that behavior is aberrant or within normal parameters and from there with counseling the truth can be drawn out over time. Then perhaps the road to healing can traversed it is rife with pain, however, when the other end is reached the person may begin to feel whole.
@Connery
Yes, behaviors to tell the tale. When I was teaching I had a student come to my office as torn up as a can of kraut. Her daughter's behavior had changed. So, she got someone to help her log onto the computer using her daughter's password. When she did she learned that the girl and some of her friends had been lured into a teenage prostitution ring by some 50 year old men. My student contacted the FBI who came and got the computer. She received death threats and went through some really horrible stuff. But the men who were running this teenage prostitution ring were apprehended and shut down. It made national news.
If a parent waits until the child's behavior has changed they have waited too late because the abuse has already happened. The goal is to PREVENT the abuse, so the parent has to act preemptively and many parents just don't know to do that or don't think they can. Many still use the old 'don't take candy from strangers' method, and quite frankly most children just don't get that. If the parent dismisses what the child says out of hand, then the parent has failed the child. Children as young as 7 simply don't have the vocabulary or sexual knowledge to make stuff up. If a parent is coaching the child, and yes, that does happen in some bitter divorce cases, it is not difficult for the seasoned professional to tell because the child cannot deviate from the script the parent gave.
Courts are wising up and most states now have what is called a 'parenting plan.' In states that have those, a parent who disses the other parent or draws the child into a conspiratorial relationship such as making accusations of abuse which are not true can lose not only custody, but also visitation rights. In this day and age, using a child in this manner is going to backfire. When I lived in Nashville, the TN Supreme Court hired a psychologist for a 1 year term to write Tennessee's parenting plan. It has teeth in it.
The fact that in this particular case, the child, now an adult, has pursued the issue of her own accord and has clear symptomology really leaves very little doubt in my mind. It really takes courage for a victim to do something like an 'open letter' to a celeb parent. And, as we all can see, it really draws ire not only toward the person who wrote the letter, but to other members of the family. I believe the system failed this child. And I can tell you from years of practice that the system has failed many children in this country. That is how so many authority figures, not just parents, have gotten away with victimizing children in this country for so long. I hope the tide is turning, but the reality is that bringing a perp to justice remains a mine field for the victim. And the Constitution still gives the accused the right to look dead on in a court of law at the victim even when the victim is a child of tender years. That will not change, nor should it. But to refuse to pursue the perp because of the child's tender years denies that child the closure that he/she needs.
Well, I'm pretty well done with this thread. It is just the same asinine BS over and over with the usual suspects defending adults who victimize children. Cheers.
