How big was Jerusalem at the time of Jesus?

[ding]

Right, as if we’d have any idea or capability to determine a city’s population from 2,000 years ago within a few hundred people.

Archaeologist can tell a lot..

They don’t know a lot more than they claim to know. They look at fragments of a past culture. No one knows the real history.

Have you been to Jerusalem.. The old city is quite small. They didn't have enough water and the land is very stony.. The north around Galilee and the Decapolis was more prosperous.

So what exactly are you trying to get at?

I follow Israeli archaeologist pretty closely for the past 40 years.. I have been to Jordan and Palestine several times so it interests me .Everything in the OT is exaggerated...

Everything in the OT is exaggerated
Prove it.

By the way, have you read the last 2 chapters of Deuteronomy?

Of course. Why? Do you think Moses wrote the Pentateuch? There are a number of doublets in the stories because Israel and Judah had different accounts that were cobbled together about the time of King Omri... and the origins of those stories are older from Sumer and the north Coast Canaanites. It doesn't diminish the value or the truth of the stories. But, they aren't history.

There are a number of doublets in the stories because Israel and Judah
Proof?
Link?

and the origins of those stories are older from Sumer and the north Coast Canaanites
What makes you so certain other than your hatred of religion?

How do you know he hates religion? I didn't get that from him/her.

Definitely a touch of superiority going on.

No more so than any one else who has conviction of belief. You and I do the same. I would expect anyone with conviction of belief to come off as confident in their beliefs. He's not acting like many of the assholes I see on the forum. And I see lots of assholes on this forum everyday.

Too many non-facts or generalities being expressed.
I have learned to keep my mouth shut until I consult someone whos knows the subject.
But they have to prove they know the subject.
You wouldn't believe the way people fake their way through Tanakh.

I have a very scholarly Jewish friend who helps me understand the Tanakh.. Its different than the Christian OT and IMO we get a lot of things dead wrong. I have a Muslim friend, a judge, who speaks and reads Amharic, Hebrew and Arabic.. and another who was a Catholic Chaplin. These guys are smart and very cool.

You probably realize by now you have to study Tanakh in Hebrew...translations just won't do it.
I hope you pay attention to every word, it's prefix and suffix and it's context within the verse.
You also know that the verses and chapters are artificial so the Church could argue with the Rabbis.
Heck, I'm still learning nuances after 50 years.

Don't be silly.. I'm not going to read it in Hebrew... Yes I know the verses and chapters are different.

Very different.
What is the relationship between Tanakh and the findings and theories of an archeologist?

NOt different from archaeology ..Different from what Christians are taught.. Offhand I would say Hosea, Jeremiah and Isaiah.. I don't think Christians should fiddle with scripture.. It causes too much confusion.

Christians are never taught in context.
Everything is a cherry picked verse.
I have yet to meet a Christian who has ever read Tanakh starting from Genesis 1:1.

Dude, you read Genesis literally. I don't believe you should be throwing rocks at anyone's understanding of the Bible.

you read Genesis literally

Give me an example.
I have several hundred books on Chumash and I can interpret Genesis 1:1 in about 100 ways; more if I contemplate.

No. I don’t read Genesis literally. I read it allegorically. Because that’s how it is meant to be read.

 

[surada]

Right, as if we’d have any idea or capability to determine a city’s population from 2,000 years ago within a few hundred people.

Archaeologist can tell a lot..

They don’t know a lot more than they claim to know. They look at fragments of a past culture. No one knows the real history.

Have you been to Jerusalem.. The old city is quite small. They didn't have enough water and the land is very stony.. The north around Galilee and the Decapolis was more prosperous.

Israel depends on God to provide the rain; it's explicitly in the Torah.
God gave the descendants of Ham the Nile because He had no interest in their prayers or devotion to God.

Ham is a fictional character.. Its a wonderful story of redemption, but its based on a tale about a king of Sumer and floods in the Euphrates River Basin.

Wow! For someone who tries so hard to appear to be mature, you really haven't thought this out too much.

If an event occurs, 1,000 publications and/or outlets will report it to attract their audience.

Genesis, Chapter 10...Shem and Yefes settled in the land known today as Israel and Ham settled in the Gaza and Egypt.
Each one of them had many families who didn't travel all that often.
Each family reported the version of the Flood that appealed to them.

It happens everyday.

The flood story was borrowed from Sumer.. Its a morality tale about redemption.

 

[ding]

Right, as if we’d have any idea or capability to determine a city’s population from 2,000 years ago within a few hundred people.

Archaeologist can tell a lot..

They don’t know a lot more than they claim to know. They look at fragments of a past culture. No one knows the real history.

Have you been to Jerusalem.. The old city is quite small. They didn't have enough water and the land is very stony.. The north around Galilee and the Decapolis was more prosperous.

Israel depends on God to provide the rain; it's explicitly in the Torah.
God gave the descendants of Ham the Nile because He had no interest in their prayers or devotion to God.

Ham is a fictional character.. Its a wonderful story of redemption, but its based on a tale about a king of Sumer and floods in the Euphrates River Basin.

Wow! For someone who tries so hard to appear to be mature, you really haven't thought this out too much.

If an event occurs, 1,000 publications and/or outlets will report it to attract their audience.

Genesis, Chapter 10...Shem and Yefes settled in the land known today as Israel and Ham settled in the Gaza and Egypt.
Each one of them had many families who didn't travel all that often.
Each family reported the version of the Flood that appealed to them.

It happens everyday.

The flood story was borrowed from Sumer.. Its a morality tale about redemption.

I think there was a flood event. All major ancient civilizations had an account. I think it was this.

Is it possible that the allegorical account of a great flood is true?

Massive crater under Greenland’s ice points to climate-altering impact in the time of humans Is it possible that the allegorical account of a great flood, which all ancient cultures have, is true?

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[ding]

Right, as if we’d have any idea or capability to determine a city’s population from 2,000 years ago within a few hundred people.

Archaeologist can tell a lot..

They don’t know a lot more than they claim to know. They look at fragments of a past culture. No one knows the real history.

Have you been to Jerusalem.. The old city is quite small. They didn't have enough water and the land is very stony.. The north around Galilee and the Decapolis was more prosperous.

Israel depends on God to provide the rain; it's explicitly in the Torah.
God gave the descendants of Ham the Nile because He had no interest in their prayers or devotion to God.

Ham is a fictional character.. Its a wonderful story of redemption, but its based on a tale about a king of Sumer and floods in the Euphrates River Basin.

Wow! For someone who tries so hard to appear to be mature, you really haven't thought this out too much.

If an event occurs, 1,000 publications and/or outlets will report it to attract their audience.

Genesis, Chapter 10...Shem and Yefes settled in the land known today as Israel and Ham settled in the Gaza and Egypt.
Each one of them had many families who didn't travel all that often.
Each family reported the version of the Flood that appealed to them.

It happens everyday.

The flood story was borrowed from Sumer.. Its a morality tale about redemption.

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) were written by Moses - an adopted son of the king of Egypt - in approximately 1400 B.C.. These five books focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years. Moses did not really write the first 11 chapters of the Bible. Moses was the first Hebrew to record them.

Approximately 800 years before Moses recorded the allegorical accounts of the history of the world. The Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses recorded it. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

 

[Indeependent]

Right, as if we’d have any idea or capability to determine a city’s population from 2,000 years ago within a few hundred people.

Archaeologist can tell a lot..

They don’t know a lot more than they claim to know. They look at fragments of a past culture. No one knows the real history.

Have you been to Jerusalem.. The old city is quite small. They didn't have enough water and the land is very stony.. The north around Galilee and the Decapolis was more prosperous.

Israel depends on God to provide the rain; it's explicitly in the Torah.
God gave the descendants of Ham the Nile because He had no interest in their prayers or devotion to God.

Ham is a fictional character.. Its a wonderful story of redemption, but its based on a tale about a king of Sumer and floods in the Euphrates River Basin.

Wow! For someone who tries so hard to appear to be mature, you really haven't thought this out too much.

If an event occurs, 1,000 publications and/or outlets will report it to attract their audience.

Genesis, Chapter 10...Shem and Yefes settled in the land known today as Israel and Ham settled in the Gaza and Egypt.
Each one of them had many families who didn't travel all that often.
Each family reported the version of the Flood that appealed to them.

It happens everyday.

The flood story was borrowed from Sumer.. Its a morality tale about redemption.

People write history from their own perspective and for their own agenda.
Ham went to Egypt and Gaza and wrote his version.
Shem and Yefes settled in Israel and each wrote his version.
It happens every day in the papers.

 

[theHawk]

Right, as if we’d have any idea or capability to determine a city’s population from 2,000 years ago within a few hundred people.

Archaeologist can tell a lot..

They don’t know a lot more than they claim to know. They look at fragments of a past culture. No one knows the real history.

Have you been to Jerusalem.. The old city is quite small. They didn't have enough water and the land is very stony.. The north around Galilee and the Decapolis was more prosperous.

Israel depends on God to provide the rain; it's explicitly in the Torah.
God gave the descendants of Ham the Nile because He had no interest in their prayers or devotion to God.

Ham is a fictional character.. Its a wonderful story of redemption, but its based on a tale about a king of Sumer and floods in the Euphrates River Basin.

Wow! For someone who tries so hard to appear to be mature, you really haven't thought this out too much.

If an event occurs, 1,000 publications and/or outlets will report it to attract their audience.

Genesis, Chapter 10...Shem and Yefes settled in the land known today as Israel and Ham settled in the Gaza and Egypt.
Each one of them had many families who didn't travel all that often.
Each family reported the version of the Flood that appealed to them.

It happens everyday.

The flood story was borrowed from Sumer.. Its a morality tale about redemption.

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) were written by Moses - an adopted son of the king of Egypt - in approximately 1400 B.C.. These five books focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years. Moses did not really write the first 11 chapters of the Bible. Moses was the first Hebrew to record them.

Approximately 800 years before Moses recorded the allegorical accounts of the history of the world. The Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses recorded it. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

Correct, none of these lefty atheist morons can get it through their heads that the Bible didn’t “steal” this ancient stories, it’s just a different account of the same events.

 

[Indeependent]

Right, as if we’d have any idea or capability to determine a city’s population from 2,000 years ago within a few hundred people.

Archaeologist can tell a lot..

They don’t know a lot more than they claim to know. They look at fragments of a past culture. No one knows the real history.

Have you been to Jerusalem.. The old city is quite small. They didn't have enough water and the land is very stony.. The north around Galilee and the Decapolis was more prosperous.

Israel depends on God to provide the rain; it's explicitly in the Torah.
God gave the descendants of Ham the Nile because He had no interest in their prayers or devotion to God.

Ham is a fictional character.. Its a wonderful story of redemption, but its based on a tale about a king of Sumer and floods in the Euphrates River Basin.

Wow! For someone who tries so hard to appear to be mature, you really haven't thought this out too much.

If an event occurs, 1,000 publications and/or outlets will report it to attract their audience.

Genesis, Chapter 10...Shem and Yefes settled in the land known today as Israel and Ham settled in the Gaza and Egypt.
Each one of them had many families who didn't travel all that often.
Each family reported the version of the Flood that appealed to them.

It happens everyday.

The flood story was borrowed from Sumer.. Its a morality tale about redemption.

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) were written by Moses - an adopted son of the king of Egypt - in approximately 1400 B.C.. These five books focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years. Moses did not really write the first 11 chapters of the Bible. Moses was the first Hebrew to record them.

Approximately 800 years before Moses recorded the allegorical accounts of the history of the world. The Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses recorded it. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

Correct, none of these lefty atheist morons can get it through their heads that the Bible didn’t “steal” this ancient stories, it’s just a different account of the same events.

That's because they get 100% of their news from CNN.

 

[surada]

Right, as if we’d have any idea or capability to determine a city’s population from 2,000 years ago within a few hundred people.

Archaeologist can tell a lot..

They don’t know a lot more than they claim to know. They look at fragments of a past culture. No one knows the real history.

Have you been to Jerusalem.. The old city is quite small. They didn't have enough water and the land is very stony.. The north around Galilee and the Decapolis was more prosperous.

Israel depends on God to provide the rain; it's explicitly in the Torah.
God gave the descendants of Ham the Nile because He had no interest in their prayers or devotion to God.

Ham is a fictional character.. Its a wonderful story of redemption, but its based on a tale about a king of Sumer and floods in the Euphrates River Basin.

Wow! For someone who tries so hard to appear to be mature, you really haven't thought this out too much.

If an event occurs, 1,000 publications and/or outlets will report it to attract their audience.

Genesis, Chapter 10...Shem and Yefes settled in the land known today as Israel and Ham settled in the Gaza and Egypt.
Each one of them had many families who didn't travel all that often.
Each family reported the version of the Flood that appealed to them.

It happens everyday.

The flood story was borrowed from Sumer.. Its a morality tale about redemption.

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) were written by Moses - an adopted son of the king of Egypt - in approximately 1400 B.C.. These five books focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years. Moses did not really write the first 11 chapters of the Bible. Moses was the first Hebrew to record them.

Approximately 800 years before Moses recorded the allegorical accounts of the history of the world. The Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses recorded it. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

Genesis and Exodus were written AFTER the Babylonian exile.. Leviticus and Deuteronomy were written first. There was no world wide flood.. There is NO world wide flood footprint. The Tower of Babel is about the collapse of a civilization and the collapse of literacy. There are ziggurats all over the Middle East.. They could see an enemy coming for 20 miles and they could send signals at night.

The Jews don't go back thousands and thousands of years. They emerged from the North Coast Canaanites in present day Syria.

Ugarit was an ancient port city in northern Syria, in the outskirts of modern Latakia, discovered by accident in 1928 together with the Ugaritic texts. Its ruins are often called Ras Shamra. The Ugarit tablets are written in 5 languages an predate Genesis by a thousand to 1500 years.. They are studied today because they help translate ancient Hebrew.

By the time Genesis was written the Sumerians had written language, agriculture and irrigation and sailboats.

 

[surada]

Right, as if we’d have any idea or capability to determine a city’s population from 2,000 years ago within a few hundred people.

Archaeologist can tell a lot..

They don’t know a lot more than they claim to know. They look at fragments of a past culture. No one knows the real history.

Have you been to Jerusalem.. The old city is quite small. They didn't have enough water and the land is very stony.. The north around Galilee and the Decapolis was more prosperous.

Israel depends on God to provide the rain; it's explicitly in the Torah.
God gave the descendants of Ham the Nile because He had no interest in their prayers or devotion to God.

Ham is a fictional character.. Its a wonderful story of redemption, but its based on a tale about a king of Sumer and floods in the Euphrates River Basin.

Wow! For someone who tries so hard to appear to be mature, you really haven't thought this out too much.

If an event occurs, 1,000 publications and/or outlets will report it to attract their audience.

Genesis, Chapter 10...Shem and Yefes settled in the land known today as Israel and Ham settled in the Gaza and Egypt.
Each one of them had many families who didn't travel all that often.
Each family reported the version of the Flood that appealed to them.

It happens everyday.

The flood story was borrowed from Sumer.. Its a morality tale about redemption.

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) were written by Moses - an adopted son of the king of Egypt - in approximately 1400 B.C.. These five books focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years. Moses did not really write the first 11 chapters of the Bible. Moses was the first Hebrew to record them.

Approximately 800 years before Moses recorded the allegorical accounts of the history of the world. The Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses recorded it. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

Correct, none of these lefty atheist morons can get it through their heads that the Bible didn’t “steal” this ancient stories, it’s just a different account of the same events.

Its an account of a flood in the Euphrates River Basin in 2900 BC. From time to time the whole basin flooded for days on end (its flat so there are no mountains to cover) When spring snowmelt from the mountains combined with heavy spring rains it flooded all the way to the Persian Gulf. That's what built the delta South of Basra.

These are morality tales NOT history.

 

[Indeependent]

Right, as if we’d have any idea or capability to determine a city’s population from 2,000 years ago within a few hundred people.

Archaeologist can tell a lot..

They don’t know a lot more than they claim to know. They look at fragments of a past culture. No one knows the real history.

Have you been to Jerusalem.. The old city is quite small. They didn't have enough water and the land is very stony.. The north around Galilee and the Decapolis was more prosperous.

Israel depends on God to provide the rain; it's explicitly in the Torah.
God gave the descendants of Ham the Nile because He had no interest in their prayers or devotion to God.

Ham is a fictional character.. Its a wonderful story of redemption, but its based on a tale about a king of Sumer and floods in the Euphrates River Basin.

Wow! For someone who tries so hard to appear to be mature, you really haven't thought this out too much.

If an event occurs, 1,000 publications and/or outlets will report it to attract their audience.

Genesis, Chapter 10...Shem and Yefes settled in the land known today as Israel and Ham settled in the Gaza and Egypt.
Each one of them had many families who didn't travel all that often.
Each family reported the version of the Flood that appealed to them.

It happens everyday.

The flood story was borrowed from Sumer.. Its a morality tale about redemption.

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) were written by Moses - an adopted son of the king of Egypt - in approximately 1400 B.C.. These five books focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years. Moses did not really write the first 11 chapters of the Bible. Moses was the first Hebrew to record them.

Approximately 800 years before Moses recorded the allegorical accounts of the history of the world. The Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses recorded it. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

Genesis and Exodus were written AFTER the Babylonian exile.. Leviticus and Deuteronomy were written first. There was no world wide flood.. There is NO world wide flood footprint. The Tower of Babel is about the collapse of a civilization and the collapse of literacy. There are ziggurats all over the Middle East.. They could see an enemy coming for 20 miles and they could send signals at night.

The Jews don't go back thousands and thousands of years. They emerged from the North Coast Canaanites in present day Syria.

Ugarit was an ancient port city in northern Syria, in the outskirts of modern Latakia, discovered by accident in 1928 together with the Ugaritic texts. Its ruins are often called Ras Shamra. The Ugarit tablets are written in 5 languages an predate Genesis by a thousand to 1500 years.. They are studied today because they help translate ancient Hebrew.

By the time Genesis was written the Sumerians had written language, agriculture and irrigation and sailboats.

The Torah itself was committed to writing after the Exodus from Egypt until the day Moshe passed away.
I will check YouTube for live coverage of yet another version of super pre-historic history.
If it ain't on YouTube, it didn't happen.

 

[Indeependent]

Right, as if we’d have any idea or capability to determine a city’s population from 2,000 years ago within a few hundred people.

Archaeologist can tell a lot..

They don’t know a lot more than they claim to know. They look at fragments of a past culture. No one knows the real history.

Have you been to Jerusalem.. The old city is quite small. They didn't have enough water and the land is very stony.. The north around Galilee and the Decapolis was more prosperous.

Israel depends on God to provide the rain; it's explicitly in the Torah.
God gave the descendants of Ham the Nile because He had no interest in their prayers or devotion to God.

Ham is a fictional character.. Its a wonderful story of redemption, but its based on a tale about a king of Sumer and floods in the Euphrates River Basin.

Wow! For someone who tries so hard to appear to be mature, you really haven't thought this out too much.

If an event occurs, 1,000 publications and/or outlets will report it to attract their audience.

Genesis, Chapter 10...Shem and Yefes settled in the land known today as Israel and Ham settled in the Gaza and Egypt.
Each one of them had many families who didn't travel all that often.
Each family reported the version of the Flood that appealed to them.

It happens everyday.

The flood story was borrowed from Sumer.. Its a morality tale about redemption.

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) were written by Moses - an adopted son of the king of Egypt - in approximately 1400 B.C.. These five books focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years. Moses did not really write the first 11 chapters of the Bible. Moses was the first Hebrew to record them.

Approximately 800 years before Moses recorded the allegorical accounts of the history of the world. The Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses recorded it. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

Correct, none of these lefty atheist morons can get it through their heads that the Bible didn’t “steal” this ancient stories, it’s just a different account of the same events.

Its an account of a flood in the Euphrates River Basin in 2900 BC. From time to time the whole basin flooded for days on end (its flat so there are no mountains to cover) When spring snowmelt from the mountains combined with heavy spring rains it flooded all the way to the Persian Gulf. That's what built the delta South of Basra.

These are morality tales NOT history.

Inform of us why God chose a flood.
The hint is in the verses preceding God talking to Noach.

 

[surada]

Right, as if we’d have any idea or capability to determine a city’s population from 2,000 years ago within a few hundred people.

Archaeologist can tell a lot..

They don’t know a lot more than they claim to know. They look at fragments of a past culture. No one knows the real history.

Have you been to Jerusalem.. The old city is quite small. They didn't have enough water and the land is very stony.. The north around Galilee and the Decapolis was more prosperous.

Israel depends on God to provide the rain; it's explicitly in the Torah.
God gave the descendants of Ham the Nile because He had no interest in their prayers or devotion to God.

Ham is a fictional character.. Its a wonderful story of redemption, but its based on a tale about a king of Sumer and floods in the Euphrates River Basin.

Wow! For someone who tries so hard to appear to be mature, you really haven't thought this out too much.

If an event occurs, 1,000 publications and/or outlets will report it to attract their audience.

Genesis, Chapter 10...Shem and Yefes settled in the land known today as Israel and Ham settled in the Gaza and Egypt.
Each one of them had many families who didn't travel all that often.
Each family reported the version of the Flood that appealed to them.

It happens everyday.

The flood story was borrowed from Sumer.. Its a morality tale about redemption.

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) were written by Moses - an adopted son of the king of Egypt - in approximately 1400 B.C.. These five books focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years. Moses did not really write the first 11 chapters of the Bible. Moses was the first Hebrew to record them.

Approximately 800 years before Moses recorded the allegorical accounts of the history of the world. The Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses recorded it. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

Genesis and Exodus were written AFTER the Babylonian exile.. Leviticus and Deuteronomy were written first. There was no world wide flood.. There is NO world wide flood footprint. The Tower of Babel is about the collapse of a civilization and the collapse of literacy. There are ziggurats all over the Middle East.. They could see an enemy coming for 20 miles and they could send signals at night.

The Jews don't go back thousands and thousands of years. They emerged from the North Coast Canaanites in present day Syria.

Ugarit was an ancient port city in northern Syria, in the outskirts of modern Latakia, discovered by accident in 1928 together with the Ugaritic texts. Its ruins are often called Ras Shamra. The Ugarit tablets are written in 5 languages an predate Genesis by a thousand to 1500 years.. They are studied today because they help translate ancient Hebrew.

By the time Genesis was written the Sumerians had written language, agriculture and irrigation and sailboats.

The Torah itself was committed to writing after the Exodus from Egypt until the day Moshe passed away.
I will check YouTube for live coverage of yet another version of super pre-historic history.
If it ain't on YouTube, it didn't happen.

Jewish Theologians and Scholars have known Exodus is a myth for decades. Sina couldn't support 2million people and their livestock. Even today the population is only 800,000.

 

[Indeependent]

Right, as if we’d have any idea or capability to determine a city’s population from 2,000 years ago within a few hundred people.

Archaeologist can tell a lot..

They don’t know a lot more than they claim to know. They look at fragments of a past culture. No one knows the real history.

Have you been to Jerusalem.. The old city is quite small. They didn't have enough water and the land is very stony.. The north around Galilee and the Decapolis was more prosperous.

Israel depends on God to provide the rain; it's explicitly in the Torah.
God gave the descendants of Ham the Nile because He had no interest in their prayers or devotion to God.

Ham is a fictional character.. Its a wonderful story of redemption, but its based on a tale about a king of Sumer and floods in the Euphrates River Basin.

Wow! For someone who tries so hard to appear to be mature, you really haven't thought this out too much.

If an event occurs, 1,000 publications and/or outlets will report it to attract their audience.

Genesis, Chapter 10...Shem and Yefes settled in the land known today as Israel and Ham settled in the Gaza and Egypt.
Each one of them had many families who didn't travel all that often.
Each family reported the version of the Flood that appealed to them.

It happens everyday.

The flood story was borrowed from Sumer.. Its a morality tale about redemption.

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) were written by Moses - an adopted son of the king of Egypt - in approximately 1400 B.C.. These five books focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years. Moses did not really write the first 11 chapters of the Bible. Moses was the first Hebrew to record them.

Approximately 800 years before Moses recorded the allegorical accounts of the history of the world. The Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses recorded it. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

Genesis and Exodus were written AFTER the Babylonian exile.. Leviticus and Deuteronomy were written first. There was no world wide flood.. There is NO world wide flood footprint. The Tower of Babel is about the collapse of a civilization and the collapse of literacy. There are ziggurats all over the Middle East.. They could see an enemy coming for 20 miles and they could send signals at night.

The Jews don't go back thousands and thousands of years. They emerged from the North Coast Canaanites in present day Syria.

Ugarit was an ancient port city in northern Syria, in the outskirts of modern Latakia, discovered by accident in 1928 together with the Ugaritic texts. Its ruins are often called Ras Shamra. The Ugarit tablets are written in 5 languages an predate Genesis by a thousand to 1500 years.. They are studied today because they help translate ancient Hebrew.

By the time Genesis was written the Sumerians had written language, agriculture and irrigation and sailboats.

The Torah itself was committed to writing after the Exodus from Egypt until the day Moshe passed away.
I will check YouTube for live coverage of yet another version of super pre-historic history.
If it ain't on YouTube, it didn't happen.

Jewish Theologians and Scholars have known Exodus is a myth for decades. Sina couldn't support 2million people and their livestock. Even today the population is only 800,000.

Link to some of those atheists and I'll take a gander.
I know this is going to be as good as your last 2 Jew hating Links.

 

[ding]

Right, as if we’d have any idea or capability to determine a city’s population from 2,000 years ago within a few hundred people.

Archaeologist can tell a lot..

They don’t know a lot more than they claim to know. They look at fragments of a past culture. No one knows the real history.

Have you been to Jerusalem.. The old city is quite small. They didn't have enough water and the land is very stony.. The north around Galilee and the Decapolis was more prosperous.

Israel depends on God to provide the rain; it's explicitly in the Torah.
God gave the descendants of Ham the Nile because He had no interest in their prayers or devotion to God.

Ham is a fictional character.. Its a wonderful story of redemption, but its based on a tale about a king of Sumer and floods in the Euphrates River Basin.

Wow! For someone who tries so hard to appear to be mature, you really haven't thought this out too much.

If an event occurs, 1,000 publications and/or outlets will report it to attract their audience.

Genesis, Chapter 10...Shem and Yefes settled in the land known today as Israel and Ham settled in the Gaza and Egypt.
Each one of them had many families who didn't travel all that often.
Each family reported the version of the Flood that appealed to them.

It happens everyday.

The flood story was borrowed from Sumer.. Its a morality tale about redemption.

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) were written by Moses - an adopted son of the king of Egypt - in approximately 1400 B.C.. These five books focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years. Moses did not really write the first 11 chapters of the Bible. Moses was the first Hebrew to record them.

Approximately 800 years before Moses recorded the allegorical accounts of the history of the world. The Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses recorded it. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

Genesis and Exodus were written AFTER the Babylonian exile.. Leviticus and Deuteronomy were written first. There was no world wide flood.. There is NO world wide flood footprint. The Tower of Babel is about the collapse of a civilization and the collapse of literacy. There are ziggurats all over the Middle East.. They could see an enemy coming for 20 miles and they could send signals at night.

The Jews don't go back thousands and thousands of years. They emerged from the North Coast Canaanites in present day Syria.

Ugarit was an ancient port city in northern Syria, in the outskirts of modern Latakia, discovered by accident in 1928 together with the Ugaritic texts. Its ruins are often called Ras Shamra. The Ugarit tablets are written in 5 languages an predate Genesis by a thousand to 1500 years.. They are studied today because they help translate ancient Hebrew.

By the time Genesis was written the Sumerians had written language, agriculture and irrigation and sailboats.

They were written based on oral accounts that were passed down for thousands of years.

 

[ding]

Right, as if we’d have any idea or capability to determine a city’s population from 2,000 years ago within a few hundred people.

Archaeologist can tell a lot..

They don’t know a lot more than they claim to know. They look at fragments of a past culture. No one knows the real history.

Have you been to Jerusalem.. The old city is quite small. They didn't have enough water and the land is very stony.. The north around Galilee and the Decapolis was more prosperous.

Israel depends on God to provide the rain; it's explicitly in the Torah.
God gave the descendants of Ham the Nile because He had no interest in their prayers or devotion to God.

Ham is a fictional character.. Its a wonderful story of redemption, but its based on a tale about a king of Sumer and floods in the Euphrates River Basin.

Wow! For someone who tries so hard to appear to be mature, you really haven't thought this out too much.

If an event occurs, 1,000 publications and/or outlets will report it to attract their audience.

Genesis, Chapter 10...Shem and Yefes settled in the land known today as Israel and Ham settled in the Gaza and Egypt.
Each one of them had many families who didn't travel all that often.
Each family reported the version of the Flood that appealed to them.

It happens everyday.

The flood story was borrowed from Sumer.. Its a morality tale about redemption.

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) were written by Moses - an adopted son of the king of Egypt - in approximately 1400 B.C.. These five books focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years. Moses did not really write the first 11 chapters of the Bible. Moses was the first Hebrew to record them.

Approximately 800 years before Moses recorded the allegorical accounts of the history of the world. The Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses recorded it. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

Genesis and Exodus were written AFTER the Babylonian exile.. Leviticus and Deuteronomy were written first. There was no world wide flood.. There is NO world wide flood footprint. The Tower of Babel is about the collapse of a civilization and the collapse of literacy. There are ziggurats all over the Middle East.. They could see an enemy coming for 20 miles and they could send signals at night.

The Jews don't go back thousands and thousands of years. They emerged from the North Coast Canaanites in present day Syria.

Ugarit was an ancient port city in northern Syria, in the outskirts of modern Latakia, discovered by accident in 1928 together with the Ugaritic texts. Its ruins are often called Ras Shamra. The Ugarit tablets are written in 5 languages an predate Genesis by a thousand to 1500 years.. They are studied today because they help translate ancient Hebrew.

By the time Genesis was written the Sumerians had written language, agriculture and irrigation and sailboats.

The Torah itself was committed to writing after the Exodus from Egypt until the day Moshe passed away.
I will check YouTube for live coverage of yet another version of super pre-historic history.
If it ain't on YouTube, it didn't happen.

Jewish Theologians and Scholars have known Exodus is a myth for decades. Sina couldn't support 2million people and their livestock. Even today the population is only 800,000.

Just like every other account, something happened. Was it embellished to make the account more memorable so that it could be more easily remembered? Probably. That doesn't make it a myth. I saw a really great video on this. I'll try to find it.

 

[ding]

Here it is...

 

[DudleySmith]

The 'great flood' is common in early cultures because they could find ancient seabed fossils on high mountains, like Ararat. Even the Himilayas have sea creature fossils high up on them. The ancient Hebrews didn't need to 'borrow' anything from anybody, since it isn't rocket science explaining where their concept of a great flood that covered the Earth came from.

A very good book on lingustics archaeology will show where the majority of language groups came from; many originated very close together in a part of what is now the south central part of the old Soviet Union and the lingiustic links run from Ireland to eastern and southern India and south into Egypt and beyond.

 

[surada]

I checked it out. It was just a wee bit smaller than Los Angeles.

Maybe 10 acres and a thousand people.

 

[surada]

Ancient Jerusalem: The Village, the Town, the City

Ancient Jerusalem made such an enormous impact on Western civilization that it’s hard to fathom how small its population really was.

www.biblicalarchaeology.org

 

[surada]

Ancient Jerusalem: The Village, the Town, the City

Ancient Jerusalem made such an enormous impact on Western civilization that it’s hard to fathom how small its population really was.

www.biblicalarchaeology.org

Excerpt:


The first period that Geva considers in his study is from the 18th–11th centuries B.C.E. (Middle Bronze Age II to Iron Age I, in archaeological terms), the period before the arrival of the Israelites. Jerusalem was then confined to the small spur south of the Temple Mount known today as the City of David. As Geva reminds us, even then Jerusalem “was the center of an important territorial entity.”

From this period, the area includes a massive fortification system that has recently been excavated. Overall, however, the area comprises only about 11–12 acres. Geva estimates the population of the city during this period at between 500 and 700 “at most.” (Previously other prominent scholars had estimated Jerusalem’s population in this period as 880–1,100, 1,000, 2,500, 3,000; still this is hardly what we would consider a metropolis.)


The shaded area reflects the current walled Old City of Jerusalem.
The next period Geva considers is the period of the United Monarchy, the time of King David and King Solomon and a couple centuries thereafter (1000 B.C.E. down to about the eighth century B.C.E.). In David’s time, the borders of the city did not change from the previous period.

However, King Solomon expanded the confines of the city northward to include the Temple Mount. This increased the size of the city to about 40 acres, but the increase in population was not proportionate since much of this expansion was taken up with the Temple and royal buildings. “It is likely that Jerusalem attracted new inhabitants of different social classes,” Geva tells us. “Some of these people came to reside in the city as a consequence of their official and religious capacities, while others came to seek a livelihood in its developing economy.” Geva estimates the population of the city at this time at about 2,000. (Previously, other scholars had estimated the number of people living in the city at this time as 2,000, 2,500 or 4,500–5,000.)

In the mid-eighth century B.C.E., the area usually referred to as the Western Hill was added to the city of Jerusalem. This area is well documented archaeologically. With this addition, more than a hundred acres were added to the city, and the population of the city increased proportionately. According to some scholars, this increase may have been at least in part due to the influx of refugees from the north after the Assyrian conquest of the northern kingdom of Israel in 721 B.C.E.

By the end of the First Temple period (the First Temple was destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 B.C.E.), the walled city of Jerusalem covered 160 acres. By that time, settlement also extended northward outside the city walls, all of which expanded the city further. At its height, the population of Jerusalem at the end of the eighth century B.C.E., according to Geva, was 8,000.

As a result of the siege of Jerusalem by the Assyrian monarch Sennacherib in 701 B.C.E., Jerusalem’s population declined to about 6,000, and so it remained until the Babylonians destroyed the city in 586 B.C.E. and forced much of its population into exile in Babylon.

Other population estimates of Jerusalem during the nearly 200 years before the Babylonian destruction vary widely—partially because they focus on different time periods. Geva’s estimate is carefully grounded in archaeological data.

After the Babylonian destruction, the few inhabitants who remained in the city (or who returned) lived primarily in the old area of the City of David. After the Persians wrested control of Jerusalem from the Babylonians and even after Jerusalem became the capital of the Persian province of Yehud, Jerusalem continued to be confined to the spur known as the City of David with an estimated population of about a thousand people on 40 acres. (Geva calls it “minute.” Israel Finkelstein of Tel Aviv University puts the number even lower: 400 to 500.)

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There were at least 6,000 Roman Soldiers stationed in Jerusalem in the 1st Century CE.

If the population of Israel's Capital was only a few hundred, I seriously doubt Rome would have stationed an entire legion there in 66CE.

There were at least 6,000 Roman Soldiers stationed in Jerusalem in the 1st Century CE.

If the population of Israel's Capital was only a few hundred, I seriously doubt Rome would have stationed an entire legion there in 66CE.

There was just a small contingency in Jerusalem. They were stationed in Syria.. and they were joined by foreign garrisons from the Roman empire.