Women and gun safety around children...

[2aguy]

this article looks at owning a gun when you have children...the writer is a woman and looks at the things that should be done when you have decided to own and possibly carry a gun to defend your family......

Since anti gunners do their best to keep gun safety education away from children......since injured and dead children are their best tool to push their anti gun views.....someone needs to help teach gun safety to new gun owners and to children, and to the general, non gun owning public.

Guns & Your Children

If you choose to keep a gun in your home, the safety of your children and the children that visit your home is your responsibility and only yours. Guns and your children is a subject you cannot avoid or postpone. If dealing with the issues of guns and children is not one you can take seriously and take the steps necessary to protect them, than do not have a gun in your home. That means the safe storage and use of guns and the safety of your children must be your top priority.

Most states impose some form of legal duty on adults to take reasonable steps to deny access by children to dangerous substances or instruments and guns. As the adult, it is your responsibility to understand and follow all laws regarding gun purchase, ownership, storage, transport, etc. Contact your state police and/or local police for information regarding such laws.

 

[JoeB131]

a gun in the home- 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.

 

[2aguy]

a gun in the home- 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.

Joe....you have been shown over and over that that number is a lie...even the anti gun researcher who lied about it had to retract it.......that you keep using it shows you are a moron.....

 

[2aguy]

a gun in the home- 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.

And again...here is the lie exposed...

Nine Myths Of Gun Control

Myth #6 "A homeowner is 43 times as likely to be killed or kill a family member as an intruder"


To suggest that science has proven that defending oneself or one's family with a gun is dangerous, gun prohibitionists repeat Dr. Kellermann's long discredited claim: "a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder." [17]

This fallacy , fabricated using tax dollars, is one of the most misused slogans of the anti-self-defense lobby.

The honest measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved, and the property protected not Kellermann's burglar or rapist body count.

Only 0.1% (1 in a thousand) of the defensive uses of guns results in the death of the predator.

[3] Any study, such as Kellermann' "43 times" fallacy, that only counts bodies will expectedly underestimate the benefits of gun a thousand fold.

Think for a minute. Would anyone suggest that the only measure of the benefit of law enforcement is the number of people killed by police? Of course not. The honest measure of the benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved by deaths and injuries averted, and the property protected. 65 lives protected by guns for every life lost to a gun. [2]


Kellermann recently downgraded his estimate to "2.7 times," [18] but he persisted in discredited methodology.

He used a method that cannot distinguish between "cause" and "effect."

His method would be like finding more diet drinks in the refrigerators of fat people and then concluding that diet drinks "cause" obesity.


Also, he studied groups with high rates of violent criminality, alcoholism, drug addiction, abject poverty, and domestic abuse .

From such a poor and violent study group he attempted to generalize his findings to normal homes.

Interestingly, when Dr. Kellermann was interviewed he stated that, if his wife were attacked, he would want her to have a gun for protection.[19] Apparently, Dr. Kellermann doesn't even believe his own studies.

 

[PredFan]

a gun in the home- 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.

I raised 5 daughters. The youngest is going to college next fall. I have had loaded guns all over my house their entire lives. Not once has a gun shot anyone. Not one of my daughters, not my wife, not any of my kids friends, nor our friends. Your idiotic statistic is hyperbolic bull shit.

 

[PredFan]

a gun in the home- 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.

And again...here is the lie exposed...

Nine Myths Of Gun Control

Myth #6 "A homeowner is 43 times as likely to be killed or kill a family member as an intruder"


To suggest that science has proven that defending oneself or one's family with a gun is dangerous, gun prohibitionists repeat Dr. Kellermann's long discredited claim: "a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder." [17]

This fallacy , fabricated using tax dollars, is one of the most misused slogans of the anti-self-defense lobby.

The honest measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved, and the property protected not Kellermann's burglar or rapist body count.

Only 0.1% (1 in a thousand) of the defensive uses of guns results in the death of the predator.

[3] Any study, such as Kellermann' "43 times" fallacy, that only counts bodies will expectedly underestimate the benefits of gun a thousand fold.

Think for a minute. Would anyone suggest that the only measure of the benefit of law enforcement is the number of people killed by police? Of course not. The honest measure of the benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved by deaths and injuries averted, and the property protected. 65 lives protected by guns for every life lost to a gun. [2]


Kellermann recently downgraded his estimate to "2.7 times," [18] but he persisted in discredited methodology.

He used a method that cannot distinguish between "cause" and "effect."

His method would be like finding more diet drinks in the refrigerators of fat people and then concluding that diet drinks "cause" obesity.


Also, he studied groups with high rates of violent criminality, alcoholism, drug addiction, abject poverty, and domestic abuse .

From such a poor and violent study group he attempted to generalize his findings to normal homes.

Interestingly, when Dr. Kellermann was interviewed he stated that, if his wife were attacked, he would want her to have a gun for protection.[19] Apparently, Dr. Kellermann doesn't even believe his own studies.

Idiotic left wing nutter talking point busted!

 

[jon_berzerk]

this article looks at owning a gun when you have children...the writer is a woman and looks at the things that should be done when you have decided to own and possibly carry a gun to defend your family......

Since anti gunners do their best to keep gun safety education away from children......since injured and dead children are their best tool to push their anti gun views.....someone needs to help teach gun safety to new gun owners and to children, and to the general, non gun owning public.

Guns & Your Children

If you choose to keep a gun in your home, the safety of your children and the children that visit your home is your responsibility and only yours. Guns and your children is a subject you cannot avoid or postpone. If dealing with the issues of guns and children is not one you can take seriously and take the steps necessary to protect them, than do not have a gun in your home. That means the safe storage and use of guns and the safety of your children must be your top priority.

Most states impose some form of legal duty on adults to take reasonable steps to deny access by children to dangerous substances or instruments and guns. As the adult, it is your responsibility to understand and follow all laws regarding gun purchase, ownership, storage, transport, etc. Contact your state police and/or local police for information regarding such laws.

the last thing in the world that the anti gun crowd

could possibly want is firearm safety training

they need Tragedy to try and advance their agenda

 

[JoeB131]

a gun in the home- 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.

Joe....you have been shown over and over that that number is a lie...even the anti gun researcher who lied about it had to retract it.......that you keep using it shows you are a moron.....

Kellerman never retracted his study. And the fact that the CDC was banned from doing gun research from NRA pressure on Congress tells me that he had it about right.

But simple enough solution. Let's actually list every gun death, and tally them up.

Suicides - 19,500
Accidents - 800
Homicides - 11,000
Self defense - 200

So just looking at those numbers, you can tell Kellerman got it right. Most gun deaths are NOT people getting killed trying to commit a crime, they are people getting killed by depression, by accident or by a loved one who got upset someone drank the last can of Milwaukee's Best.

 

[JoeB131]

the last thing in the world that the anti gun crowd

could possibly want is firearm safety training

they need Tragedy to try and advance their agenda

Yeah, whatever happened to Eddie Eagle? Did he go the way of Joe Camel because he was a creepy corporate Mascot?

 

[2aguy]

a gun in the home- 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.

Joe....you have been shown over and over that that number is a lie...even the anti gun researcher who lied about it had to retract it.......that you keep using it shows you are a moron.....

Kellerman never retracted his study. And the fact that the CDC was banned from doing gun research from NRA pressure on Congress tells me that he had it about right.

But simple enough solution. Let's actually list every gun death, and tally them up.

Suicides - 19,500
Accidents - 800
Homicides - 11,000
Self defense - 200

So just looking at those numbers, you can tell Kellerman got it right. Most gun deaths are NOT people getting killed trying to commit a crime, they are people getting killed by depression, by accident or by a loved one who got upset someone drank the last can of Milwaukee's Best.

Yes....let's look at the truth...

In 2013 there were over 320,000,000 million guns in private hands, in 2015...there were 357,000,000 million guns in private hands...

Accidental gun deaths:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf


Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

Accidental gun deaths over time....

Then by year accidental gun deaths going down according to CDC final statistics table 10 from 2010-2013...

2010...606
2011...591
2012...548
2013...505


Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-14 years old: 39

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)


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Gun suicide vs. non gun suicide:

Gun Suicide: 21,175

Non gun suicide: 19,974

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Gun murder:

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

From 2014…..and I added 2011……

2006

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 and

2006 fbi table 8

Murder by firearm….

Federal Bureau of Investigation - Uniform Crime Reports - 2000

gun murder rate 1997 -2000


1997..... 10,729
1998..... 9,257
1999..... 8,480
2000..... 8,493
2001..... 8,719
2002... 9,369
2003.... 9,638
2004..... 9,385
2005.... 10,158
2006.... 10,225
2007 10,129
2008-- 9,528
2009-- 9,199
2010- 8,874
2011-- 8,653
2012-- 8,897
2013-- 8,454
2014-- 8,124

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Self defense with a gun:

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[2aguy]

a gun in the home- 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.

Joe....you have been shown over and over that that number is a lie...even the anti gun researcher who lied about it had to retract it.......that you keep using it shows you are a moron.....

Kellerman never retracted his study. And the fact that the CDC was banned from doing gun research from NRA pressure on Congress tells me that he had it about right.

But simple enough solution. Let's actually list every gun death, and tally them up.

Suicides - 19,500
Accidents - 800
Homicides - 11,000
Self defense - 200

So just looking at those numbers, you can tell Kellerman got it right. Most gun deaths are NOT people getting killed trying to commit a crime, they are people getting killed by depression, by accident or by a loved one who got upset someone drank the last can of Milwaukee's Best.

And you are wrong on every single point...

Most gun deaths are NOT people getting killed trying to commit a crime, they are people getting killed by depression, by accident or by a loved one who got upset someone drank the last can of Milwaukee's Best.

And of course you are wrong even about the victims of gun murder......

Chicago police boss calls weekend gun violence 'completely unacceptable'

At an unrelated news conference Monday on the city's Southwest Side, Johnson brought up the Mother's Day weekend violence himself in his prepared remarks. He focused his remarks on how much of the bloodshed is being driven by about 1,300 individuals on the Police Department's "strategic subject list" — those believed to be most prone to violence as a victim or offender.

About 78 percent of the homicide victims and about 84 percent of the nonfatal shooting victims this weekend were on the list, he said.

"That means essentially we know who they are," he told reporters at 50th Street and South Karlov Avenue, where a Chicago police officer fatally shot a bank robbery suspect on Monday. "Oftentimes, they have gang affiliations, and many have had previous arrests and convictions."
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He then ticked off nearly 10 examples of how many arrests these victims had on their records, ranging from 20 each all the way up to 41.

 

[2aguy]

a gun in the home- 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.

Joe....you have been shown over and over that that number is a lie...even the anti gun researcher who lied about it had to retract it.......that you keep using it shows you are a moron.....

Kellerman never retracted his study. And the fact that the CDC was banned from doing gun research from NRA pressure on Congress tells me that he had it about right.

But simple enough solution. Let's actually list every gun death, and tally them up.

Suicides - 19,500
Accidents - 800
Homicides - 11,000
Self defense - 200

So just looking at those numbers, you can tell Kellerman got it right. Most gun deaths are NOT people getting killed trying to commit a crime, they are people getting killed by depression, by accident or by a loved one who got upset someone drank the last can of Milwaukee's Best.

Even in Australia most of their gun murder victims are career criminals and not normal Aussies...

5/7/16 Australian murder report p.20 criminals commit murder...

http://aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/mr/mr01/mr01.pdf

Criminal history Figure 18 shows that in 2006–07, a significant proportion both of homicide offenders and of homicide victims had a criminal history. Nearly two-thirds of male offenders and half of female offenders had a prior criminal history.

Half of male victims too had a criminal history, as did a quarter of female victims.

These ratios have changed little throughout the years of monitoring. In 2006–07, the most common prior criminal history of offenders constituted ‘other assault’, property, and ‘other’ offences.

‘Other’ encompasses crimes such as fraud and traffic violations. Recidivist homicide offending was very low in 2006–07, with only two percent of offenders having a prior conviction of homicide.

The high incidence of a prior criminal history of ‘other assault’ suggests that homicide is often not an isolated incident of violence but part of a longer-term pattern of violent behaviour. Of interest, little difference exists between the sexes of homicide offenders in this respect.

 

[2aguy]

joe.....the truth, the facts and reality all show that you have no fucking clue about guns and gun ownership in the United States......

(drops the mic)

 

[2aguy]

And in another major city.....who exactly are the victims of gun crime....

As Gun-Related Deaths Increase, Prior Criminal Records Is Common Link Among Shooters, Victims | Wisconsin Public Radio

Almost two-thirds of the fatal shootings in the state have taken place in Milwaukee. The others are scattered around 15 different cities and towns. In almost all cases, however, both victims and alleged perpetrators have criminal records.

Mallory O'Brien, of the Milwaukee Homicide Review Commission, tracks those numbers for the city of Milwaukee.

"(About) 94 percent of our victims have an arrest history and 93 percent of our suspects have an arrest history," O'Brien said.

O'Brien said the same percentage is true for non-fatal shooting incidents. There's been an increase in those numbers as well. By the end of June of last year, there were 204 cases and the count at the six-month mark this year, there have been 248 incidents -- a 21-percent increase. She said there' also been an increase in the number of shooting incidents with multiple victims.

 

[SwimExpert]

a gun in the home- 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.

86x if the household member is you.

Know how to handle a gun before you get one. Your problems will be solved.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes....let's look at the truth...

In 2013 there were over 320,000,000 million guns in private hands, in 2015...there were 357,000,000 million guns in private hands...

Again, we banned Lawn Darts when there were only a few deaths. We put safety seals on all medicines after there was one poisoning incident.

We put steel doors on airliners after one hijacking incident.

The idea that "Well, most of the time it's fine" doesn't fly anywhere else except with gun nuts.

 

[JoeB131]

86x if the household member is you.

Know how to handle a gun before you get one. Your problems will be solved.

The problem wasn't that the people involved didn't know how to handle a gun.

The problem was a gun in the house made a bad situation worse.

 

[SwimExpert]

86x if the household member is you.

Know how to handle a gun before you get one. Your problems will be solved.

The problem wasn't that the people involved didn't know how to handle a gun.

The problem was a gun in the house made a bad situation worse.

I understand. You know, there was another study recently that as very similar. It found that those who use automobiles for transportation are 43x more likely to be involved in an automobile accident.

 

[jon_berzerk]

the last thing in the world that the anti gun crowd

could possibly want is firearm safety training

they need Tragedy to try and advance their agenda

Yeah, whatever happened to Eddie Eagle? Did he go the way of Joe Camel because he was a creepy corporate Mascot?

NRA Explore | Eddie Eagle

 

[2aguy]

Yes....let's look at the truth...

In 2013 there were over 320,000,000 million guns in private hands, in 2015...there were 357,000,000 million guns in private hands...

Again, we banned Lawn Darts when there were only a few deaths. We put safety seals on all medicines after there was one poisoning incident.

We put steel doors on airliners after one hijacking incident.

The idea that "Well, most of the time it's fine" doesn't fly anywhere else except with gun nuts.

2013...35,000 car deaths...I guess we will see you protesting the existence of cars.....right, moron?