Gun control a failure in Canada....of course it is.....

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Gun control only works when the citizens of a country decide not to commit crimes with guns....otherwise? It doesn't work at all....

I keep telling the anti-gun extremists and democrats that the crime rates in Canada and Europe are going to go up because they imported violent men into their countries...and those men will use guns to protect their illegal drug trade......and they don't give a rat's ass about Western Laws, Western police, Western culture.........


Canada is pretty proud of all the gun control they've enacted lately. Over the last handful of years, they went to a set of gun laws that weren't terribly dissimilar to ours in some ways to one of the more restrictive schemes anywhere in the world
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Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves here.


In Hamilton, there have been 58 shootings as of Nov. 4, compared to 35 for all of last year — a record for the city, according to Staff Sgt. Steve Bereziuk.
He leads the Hamilton Police Service's shooting response team, one of the few police units of its kind in Canada, recently formed to address the rise in gun violence there.
"These shootings are occurring specifically at all hours of the day but what we're starting to see is a trend of daytime shootings and not just daytime shootings, but shootouts between individuals and involving more than one firearm," Bereziuk said.
He said there have been several notably disturbing incidents in the last year, including one daytime shooting in August in the city's east end where someone was used a human shield. In another incident, a man was shot after letting a six-year-old play with his gun.
"We're concerned. That is no secret. These are scary numbers," Bereziuk said.
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York and Toronto are seeing similar increases.
In Toronto, there have been 126 more shootings so far this year compared to the same period last year, according to the police data portal. With a total of 395 incidents since January, it also marks the most shootings the city has seen in four years.
York is also seeing a four-year high, according to numbers provided by its police force, with 63 shootings as of the end of October this year.

 
Wow, dude, where have you been. We thought you had an "accident" while you were fondling your guns?

Okay, let's get real.

Gun death rate in the US vs Canada.


US - 4.054 per 100,000
Canada - 0.889 per 100,000 - About a fifth of ours.

And Canada doesn't have really strict gun laws. Let's look at the rest of the G-7, shall we?

Germany .065
Japan - 0.003
Italy 0.202
France 0.1
United Kingdom - 0.047
 
Wow, dude, where have you been. We thought you had an "accident" while you were fondling your guns?

Okay, let's get real.

Gun death rate in the US vs Canada.


US - 4.054 per 100,000
Canada - 0.889 per 100,000 - About a fifth of ours.

And Canada doesn't have really strict gun laws. Let's look at the rest of the G-7, shall we?

Germany .065
Japan - 0.003
Italy 0.202
France 0.1
United Kingdom - 0.047

As I keep telling you....the criminals in those countries simply choose not to commit murder......when they decide to commit murder, gun controls are not going to stop them, as we see now in Canada...
 
As I keep telling you....the criminals in those countries simply choose not to commit murder......when they decide to commit murder, gun controls are not going to stop them, as we see now in Canada...

Or... they don't commit murders because murders are harder to commit without guns.

Canada has a lot less murder than we do. Not because they've banned guns, but because they make it harder for the wrong people to get guns.


Canada has several gun control laws, including:
  • Handgun freeze
    As of October 21, 2022, individuals can't buy, sell, or transfer handguns in Canada, with some exceptions.
    Assault-style firearm ban
    As of May 1, 2020, over 1,500 models of assault-style firearms are prohibited, along with certain components.


    Muzzle energy and bore diameter limits
    Firearms with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 Joules or a bore diameter of 20 mm or greater are prohibited.


    • Firearms licensing
      To own a firearm, you must be at least 18 years old, have no violent misdemeanors or felonies, and have a possession and acquisition license (PAL). To get a PAL, you must pass a written and practical test, complete an 8-hour training session, and pay a fee. The RCMP also takes at least 45 days to process a firearms license application.



    • Firearm storage
      If you own a gun, you must store it properly. If you don't, your license could be revoked.



    • Firearm transportation
      If you transport a gun in your vehicle, it must be unloaded and in a lockable compartment.



    • Firearm discharge
      You must not break the Criminal Code of Canada when discharging a firearm on your property.


Canada's gun control laws are federally regulated through the Criminal Code, the Firearms Act, and the Canadian Firearms Program.

Sorry, man, all of this sounds... really kind of reasonable.
 
Or... they don't commit murders because murders are harder to commit without guns.

Canada has a lot less murder than we do. Not because they've banned guns, but because they make it harder for the wrong people to get guns.


Canada has several gun control laws, including:
  • Handgun freeze
    As of October 21, 2022, individuals can't buy, sell, or transfer handguns in Canada, with some exceptions.
    Assault-style firearm ban
    As of May 1, 2020, over 1,500 models of assault-style firearms are prohibited, along with certain components.


    Muzzle energy and bore diameter limits
    Firearms with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 Joules or a bore diameter of 20 mm or greater are prohibited.

    • Firearms licensing
      To own a firearm, you must be at least 18 years old, have no violent misdemeanors or felonies, and have a possession and acquisition license (PAL). To get a PAL, you must pass a written and practical test, complete an 8-hour training session, and pay a fee. The RCMP also takes at least 45 days to process a firearms license application.



    • Firearm storage
      If you own a gun, you must store it properly. If you don't, your license could be revoked.



    • Firearm transportation
      If you transport a gun in your vehicle, it must be unloaded and in a lockable compartment.



    • Firearm discharge
      You must not break the Criminal Code of Canada when discharging a firearm on your property.

Canada's gun control laws are federally regulated through the Criminal Code, the Firearms Act, and the Canadian Firearms Program.

Sorry, man, all of this sounds... really kind of reasonable.


Yeah...you are stupid....




Toronto police say they have arrested 23 people after close to 100 shots were fired outside a recording studio in Toronto's west end on Monday night – though no one was injured.

Officers were in the area of Queen Street W. and Sudbury Street around 11:20 p.m. for an unrelated investigation, Deputy Chief Lauren Pogue said at a news conference Tuesday morning.

A stolen car pulled up to the area, she said, and three people exited the vehicle and opened fire on the recording studio and the people gathered outside.

Pogue said the violence escalated into an exchange of gunfire between two groups.

During the gunfire, an unmarked police vehicle with officers inside was struck by bullets, she said.

 
Or... they don't commit murders because murders are harder to commit without guns.

Canada has a lot less murder than we do. Not because they've banned guns, but because they make it harder for the wrong people to get guns.


Canada has several gun control laws, including:
  • Handgun freeze
    As of October 21, 2022, individuals can't buy, sell, or transfer handguns in Canada, with some exceptions.
    Assault-style firearm ban
    As of May 1, 2020, over 1,500 models of assault-style firearms are prohibited, along with certain components.


    Muzzle energy and bore diameter limits
    Firearms with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 Joules or a bore diameter of 20 mm or greater are prohibited.

    • Firearms licensing
      To own a firearm, you must be at least 18 years old, have no violent misdemeanors or felonies, and have a possession and acquisition license (PAL). To get a PAL, you must pass a written and practical test, complete an 8-hour training session, and pay a fee. The RCMP also takes at least 45 days to process a firearms license application.



    • Firearm storage
      If you own a gun, you must store it properly. If you don't, your license could be revoked.



    • Firearm transportation
      If you transport a gun in your vehicle, it must be unloaded and in a lockable compartment.



    • Firearm discharge
      You must not break the Criminal Code of Canada when discharging a firearm on your property.

Canada's gun control laws are federally regulated through the Criminal Code, the Firearms Act, and the Canadian Firearms Program.

Sorry, man, all of this sounds... really kind of reasonable.


Yeah....you aren't very bright....criminals need guns to shoot people, so criminals will get guns to shoot people......Canada has been lucky that their citizens for the most part were not oriented to crime...but decades of social welfare and immigration of violent men has changed their criminal populations....

'WILD, WILD WEST:' 5 dead, several injured after violent 24 hours across GTA


 
Or... they don't commit murders because murders are harder to commit without guns.

Canada has a lot less murder than we do. Not because they've banned guns, but because they make it harder for the wrong people to get guns.


Canada has several gun control laws, including:
  • Handgun freeze
    As of October 21, 2022, individuals can't buy, sell, or transfer handguns in Canada, with some exceptions.
    Assault-style firearm ban
    As of May 1, 2020, over 1,500 models of assault-style firearms are prohibited, along with certain components.


    Muzzle energy and bore diameter limits
    Firearms with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 Joules or a bore diameter of 20 mm or greater are prohibited.

    • Firearms licensing
      To own a firearm, you must be at least 18 years old, have no violent misdemeanors or felonies, and have a possession and acquisition license (PAL). To get a PAL, you must pass a written and practical test, complete an 8-hour training session, and pay a fee. The RCMP also takes at least 45 days to process a firearms license application.



    • Firearm storage
      If you own a gun, you must store it properly. If you don't, your license could be revoked.



    • Firearm transportation
      If you transport a gun in your vehicle, it must be unloaded and in a lockable compartment.



    • Firearm discharge
      You must not break the Criminal Code of Canada when discharging a firearm on your property.

Canada's gun control laws are federally regulated through the Criminal Code, the Firearms Act, and the Canadian Firearms Program.

Sorry, man, all of this sounds... really kind of reasonable.

Yeah....you don't know anything about anything.....

Record-breaking year so far

In Hamilton, there have been 58 shootings as of Nov. 4, compared to 35 for all of last year — a record for the city, according to Staff Sgt. Steve Bereziuk.

He leads the Hamilton Police Service's shooting response team, one of the few police units of its kind in Canada, recently formed to address the rise in gun violence there.
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"These shootings are occurring specifically at all hours of the day but what we're starting to see is a trend of daytime shootings and not just daytime shootings, but shootouts between individuals and involving more than one firearm," Bereziuk said.


 
Or... they don't commit murders because murders are harder to commit without guns.

Canada has a lot less murder than we do. Not because they've banned guns, but because they make it harder for the wrong people to get guns.


Canada has several gun control laws, including:
  • Handgun freeze
    As of October 21, 2022, individuals can't buy, sell, or transfer handguns in Canada, with some exceptions.
    Assault-style firearm ban
    As of May 1, 2020, over 1,500 models of assault-style firearms are prohibited, along with certain components.


    Muzzle energy and bore diameter limits
    Firearms with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 Joules or a bore diameter of 20 mm or greater are prohibited.

    • Firearms licensing
      To own a firearm, you must be at least 18 years old, have no violent misdemeanors or felonies, and have a possession and acquisition license (PAL). To get a PAL, you must pass a written and practical test, complete an 8-hour training session, and pay a fee. The RCMP also takes at least 45 days to process a firearms license application.



    • Firearm storage
      If you own a gun, you must store it properly. If you don't, your license could be revoked.



    • Firearm transportation
      If you transport a gun in your vehicle, it must be unloaded and in a lockable compartment.



    • Firearm discharge
      You must not break the Criminal Code of Canada when discharging a firearm on your property.

Canada's gun control laws are federally regulated through the Criminal Code, the Firearms Act, and the Canadian Firearms Program.

Sorry, man, all of this sounds... really kind of reasonable.

Maybe next you can tell us why Kamala lost.....

  • Police services in Canada reported around 14,000 incidents of firearm-related violent crime in 2022, roughly 1,400 more than the previous year.
  • In 2022, the rate of firearm-related violent crime was 36.7 incidents per 100,000 population, an 8.9% increase from 2021 (33.7 incidents per 100,000 population). This is the highest rate recorded since comparable data were first collected in 2009.
  • The increase in the rate of firearm-related violent crime from 2021 is mainly attributable to fairly significant increases in Ontario (1,016 more incidents, a rate increase of 24%), New Brunswick (64 more incidents, a rate increase of 24%) and British Columbia (194 more incidents, a rate increase of 12%).
  • In Toronto, Canada’s largest census metropolitan area (CMA), the proportion of violent crimes that were firearm-related (4.7%) was the second-highest among CMAs. Its rate of firearm-related violent crime (43.2 incidents per 100,000 population) rose 36% from 2021 and 93% since a low in 2013.
  • Canada’s other two largest CMAs also saw their rate of firearm-related violent crime increase in 2022. In Montréal, the rate (28.0 incidents per 100,000 population) increased slightly (+0.4%) from 2021, following a 12% increase from 2020 to 2021. In Vancouver, the rate (23.6 incidents per 100,000 population) increased 24% from 2021.

 
Yeah...you are stupid....




Toronto police say they have arrested 23 people after close to 100 shots were fired outside a recording studio in Toronto's west end on Monday night – though no one was injured.

Officers were in the area of Queen Street W. and Sudbury Street around 11:20 p.m. for an unrelated investigation, Deputy Chief Lauren Pogue said at a news conference Tuesday morning.

A stolen car pulled up to the area, she said, and three people exited the vehicle and opened fire on the recording studio and the people gathered outside.

Pogue said the violence escalated into an exchange of gunfire between two groups.


During the gunfire, an unmarked police vehicle with officers inside was struck by bullets, she said.


So they had some idiots firing guns, no one was killed.

Great. Wish we had that in Chicago, where they finally had to scrap Shot-tracker because it was giving them so many false leads.
 
So they had some idiots firing guns, no one was killed.

Great. Wish we had that in Chicago, where they finally had to scrap Shot-tracker because it was giving them so many false leads.

No, shot tracker was giving them criminals....so the gangs leaned on the aldermen to get rid of it....
 
Yeah....you don't know anything about anything.....

Record-breaking year so far

In Hamilton, there have been 58 shootings as of Nov. 4, compared to 35 for all of last year — a record for the city, according to Staff Sgt. Steve Bereziuk.

He leads the Hamilton Police Service's shooting response team, one of the few police units of its kind in Canada, recently formed to address the rise in gun violence there.
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"These shootings are occurring specifically at all hours of the day but what we're starting to see is a trend of daytime shootings and not just daytime shootings, but shootouts between individuals and involving more than one firearm," Bereziuk said.


If canada had more black people it would probably have more hun deaths


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Or... they don't commit murders because murders are harder to commit without guns.

Canada has a lot less murder than we do. Not because they've banned guns, but because they make it harder for the wrong people to get guns.


Canada has several gun control laws, including:
  • Handgun freeze
    As of October 21, 2022, individuals can't buy, sell, or transfer handguns in Canada, with some exceptions.
    Assault-style firearm ban
    As of May 1, 2020, over 1,500 models of assault-style firearms are prohibited, along with certain components.


    Muzzle energy and bore diameter limits
    Firearms with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 Joules or a bore diameter of 20 mm or greater are prohibited.


    • Firearms licensing
      To own a firearm, you must be at least 18 years old, have no violent misdemeanors or felonies, and have a possession and acquisition license (PAL). To get a PAL, you must pass a written and practical test, complete an 8-hour training session, and pay a fee. The RCMP also takes at least 45 days to process a firearms license application.



    • Firearm storage
      If you own a gun, you must store it properly. If you don't, your license could be revoked.



    • Firearm transportation
      If you transport a gun in your vehicle, it must be unloaded and in a lockable compartment.



    • Firearm discharge
      You must not break the Criminal Code of Canada when discharging a firearm on your property.


Canada's gun control laws are federally regulated through the Criminal Code, the Firearms Act, and the Canadian Firearms Program.

Sorry, man, all of this sounds... really kind of reasonable.
Criminals find murder with edged weapons easy. People were being killed by bad men in wholesale lots long before the first firearm was invented. For instance Spartacus personally is thought to have killed nearly a thousand people with edged weapons. Kublai Khan had similar numbers. Alexander at least several hundred personally. Wreckers killed entire ship’s crews by luring them onto rocks with fake lights.
 
Or... they don't commit murders because murders are harder to commit without guns.

Canada has a lot less murder than we do. Not because they've banned guns, but because they make it harder for the wrong people to get guns.


Canada has several gun control laws, including:
  • Handgun freeze
    As of October 21, 2022, individuals can't buy, sell, or transfer handguns in Canada, with some exceptions.
    Assault-style firearm ban
    As of May 1, 2020, over 1,500 models of assault-style firearms are prohibited, along with certain components.


    Muzzle energy and bore diameter limits
    Firearms with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 Joules or a bore diameter of 20 mm or greater are prohibited.


    • Firearms licensing
      To own a firearm, you must be at least 18 years old, have no violent misdemeanors or felonies, and have a possession and acquisition license (PAL). To get a PAL, you must pass a written and practical test, complete an 8-hour training session, and pay a fee. The RCMP also takes at least 45 days to process a firearms license application.



    • Firearm storage
      If you own a gun, you must store it properly. If you don't, your license could be revoked.



    • Firearm transportation
      If you transport a gun in your vehicle, it must be unloaded and in a lockable compartment.



    • Firearm discharge
      You must not break the Criminal Code of Canada when discharging a firearm on your property.


Canada's gun control laws are federally regulated through the Criminal Code, the Firearms Act, and the Canadian Firearms Program.

Sorry, man, all of this sounds... really kind of reasonable.
Very little of that sounds reasonable. Possession of a firearm is left up to police discretion.
 
So they had some idiots firing guns, no one was killed.

Great. Wish we had that in Chicago, where they finally had to scrap Shot-tracker because it was giving them so many false leads.
That just means they were lousy shots. You don’t fire into a crowd unless you intend to kill someone.
 
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Oh, okay, if you say so...

Meanwhile in the real world.




So you are in favor of CPD stopping using a system that can locate a shooting to square meters in favor of depending on 911 calls reporting gunshots somewhere nearby.
 
Criminals find murder with edged weapons easy. People were being killed by bad men in wholesale lots long before the first firearm was invented. For instance Spartacus personally is thought to have killed nearly a thousand people with edged weapons. Kublai Khan had similar numbers. Alexander at least several hundred personally. Wreckers killed entire ship’s crews by luring them onto rocks with fake lights.

Wow, you are comparing guys leading armies to random thugs in the street? Hey, here's a simple solution. Instead of letting your "Well-regulated militia" have guns, we should just let them have swords.




Very little of that sounds reasonable. Possession of a firearm is left up to police discretion.

You guys are perfectly fine with "police discretion" when it comes to shooting a black kid with his hands up.

That just means they were lousy shots. You don’t fire into a crowd unless you intend to kill someone.

I agree. It's why guns should be really hard to get.


So you are in favor of CPD stopping using a system that can locate a shooting to square meters in favor of depending on 911 calls reporting gunshots somewhere nearby.

Given that 90% of what they were responding to were false alarms, um, yeah.


The IG’s report follows a similarly critical report and legal filing by the Northwestern School of Law’s MacArthur Justice Center and devastating investigative reporting by Vice News and the Associated Press. Last week, the AP profiled Michael Williams, a man who spent a year in jail on murder charges based on evidence from ShotSpotter before having his charges dismissed when prosecutors admitted they had insufficient evidence against him.

  • ShotSpotter false alarms send police on numerous trips (in Chicago, more than 60 times a day) into communities for no reason and on high alert expecting to potentially confront a dangerous situation. Given the already tragic number of shootings of Black people by police, that is a recipe for trouble.
  • Indeed, the Chicago IG’s analysis of Chicago police data found that the “perceived aggregate frequency of ShotSpotter alerts” in some neighborhoods leads officers to engage in more stops and pat downs.
  • The placement of sensors in some neighborhoods but not others means that the police will detect more incidents (real or false) in places where the sensors are located. That can distort gunfire statistics and create a circular statistical justification for over-policing in communities of color.
The MacArthur Justice Center’s report found that in Chicago, initial police responses to 88.7 percent of ShotSpotter alerts found no incidents involving a gun. The company disputes whether this means its technology is inaccurate, pointing out that someone can shoot a gun but leave no evidence behind. But a review of the accuracy debate by IPVM concluded that “while public data does not enable a definitive estimation of false alerts,” the problem “is likely significantly greater than what ShotSpotter insinuates” because the company “uses misleading assumptions and a misleading accuracy calculation” in their advertised accuracy rates.
 
Gun control only works when the citizens of a country decide not to commit crimes with guns....otherwise? It doesn't work at all....

I keep telling the anti-gun extremists and democrats that the crime rates in Canada and Europe are going to go up because they imported violent men into their countries...and those men will use guns to protect their illegal drug trade......and they don't give a rat's ass about Western Laws, Western police, Western culture.........


Canada is pretty proud of all the gun control they've enacted lately. Over the last handful of years, they went to a set of gun laws that weren't terribly dissimilar to ours in some ways to one of the more restrictive schemes anywhere in the world
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Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves here.





Happiness is not a warm gun and Canadians are all safer as a result of these laws.

Gun murders in Canada in 2022, which was a high crime year, 343.

48,000 people died as a result of gun violence in the USA in 2021. And while 25,000 of those deaths were suicides, more than 23,000 were murders.

These numbers don’t include the more than 100,000 shooting survivors.

Gun violence is now the leading cause of death for American children. Tell us again how unborn lives matter because the lives of those who are born really don’t.

So keep pretending guns are not a problem for Americans.
 
Happiness is not a warm gun and Canadians are all safer as a result of these laws.

Gun murders in Canada in 2022, which was a high crime year, 343.

48,000 people died as a result of gun violence in the USA in 2021. And while 25,000 of those deaths were suicides, more than 23,000 were murders.

These numbers don’t include the more than 100,000 shooting survivors.

Gun violence is now the leading cause of death for American children. Tell us again how unborn lives matter because the lives of those who are born really don’t.

So keep pretending guns are not a problem for Americans.

Gun crime is increasing in Canada...so you have no argument.

The majority of gun deaths in the U.S., which you assholes always hide, is suicide. Then, you also fail to mention that the majority of gun murder is committed by young black males, in democrat party controlled cities. Considering that young black men can't own, or carry guns legally because they are usually under 21 when they commit the murder...you again, have no point.

And, you are either stupid or lying....since guns are not the leading cause of death of American children....you lying hack.....gang members shooting each other are not "children," in any sense of the word....

about 1/3rd of the firearm deaths for those under 20 involve homicide, where the victims are 18 and 19 years old. About another 20% of involve homicides for 15, 16, and 17-year-olds. These deaths are largely gang-related and even banning guns is unlikely to stop drug gangs from getting a hold of guns to protect their extremely valuable drugs.



IF gun control worked in Canada....gun crime and murder would not be increasing in Canada...

Ward is one of many family members grappling with the consequences of growing gun violence in Hamilton and across the Greater Toronto Area (GTA) this year. Several of the region's police forces have warned of an alarming rise in shootings since January.

The rise in gun violence in the GTA also reflects a larger trend that's taking place across Canada.

Record-breaking year so far

In Hamilton, there have been 58 shootings as of Nov. 4, compared to 35 for all of last year — a record for the city, according to Staff Sgt. Steve Bereziuk.

He leads the Hamilton Police Service's shooting response team, one of the few police units of its kind in Canada, recently formed to address the rise in gun violence there.



 
Happiness is not a warm gun and Canadians are all safer as a result of these laws.

Gun murders in Canada in 2022, which was a high crime year, 343.

48,000 people died as a result of gun violence in the USA in 2021. And while 25,000 of those deaths were suicides, more than 23,000 were murders.

These numbers don’t include the more than 100,000 shooting survivors.

Gun violence is now the leading cause of death for American children. Tell us again how unborn lives matter because the lives of those who are born really don’t.

So keep pretending guns are not a problem for Americans.
Why don't you spend your time posting on a Canadian board rather than wasting our time with your propaganda nonsense. Like most Canadians, you aren't wanted here.
 

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