Zone1 Without God Who Or What Decides What Moral Law Is?

[playtime]

Regardless it is still subjective.

then i suppose everything is. why have laws?

 

[Blues Man]

then i suppose everything is. why have laws?

Another stupid question.

Societies create laws that ensure the success of that society.

Those laws punish unacceptable behaviors an that list of acceptable and unacceptable behaviors has changed over time.

 

[playtime]

Another stupid question.

it was snark. guess you were too stupid to recognize that.

 

[Blues Man]

it was snark. guess you were too stupid to recognize that.

if you can't figure out why we have laws that's your own problem

 

[BreezeWood]

if you can't figure out why we have laws that's your own problem

you imply correctly why there are laws, what's not as obvious is why there is religion ... in so far as there can only be one religion that is the origin of life on planet earth having little to do with identifiable figures.

- and would leave question as to what exactly are the desert versions and their true objective.

 

[Blues Man]

you imply correctly why there are laws, what's not as obvious is why there is religion ... in so far as there can only be one religion that is the origin of life on planet earth having little to do with identifiable figures.

- and would leave question as to what exactly are the desert versions and their true objective.

It is very obvious why there is religion.

During our evolution and for most of the time humans have existed on this planet we knew next to nothing about the natural world.

Things in nature terrified humans and in an effort to assuage their fears , early humans made up explanations for the things they did not understand. Thus, gods were born. Gods of thunder, gods of fire, gods of rain etc

As we came to understand these things we discarded the gods we invented to explain the world.

Now, for the most part people are down to one god left to explain the 2 things we still don't understand; how the universe got here and what happens after we die.

 

[BreezeWood]

you imply correctly why there are laws, what's not as obvious is why there is religion ...

It is very obvious why there is religion.

During our evolution and for most of the time humans have existed on this planet we knew next to nothing about the natural world.

Things in nature terrified humans and in an effort to assuage their fears , early humans made up explanations for the things they did not understand. Thus, gods were born. Gods of thunder, gods of fire, gods of rain etc

As we came to understand these things we discarded the gods we invented to explain the world.

Now, for the most part people are down to one god left to explain the 2 things we still don't understand; how the universe got here and what happens after we die.

- and, what has the natural world have to do w/ the 10 commandments ... what is their real intent through religion than law. the jews and that guy, moses - the trickster than the true reason for religion. and those people. the desert religions.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Aren’t people capable of determining right or wrong on their own?

No. Then EVERYONE is "right." In their own eyes and there would be no need for laws.

Foolish liberal

 

[rightwinger]

No. Then EVERYONE is "right." In their own eyes and there would be no need for laws.

Foolish liberal

I am talking about people as a society vs relying on religion

 

[Blues Man]

- and, what has the natural world have to do w/ the 10 commandments ... what is their real intent through religion than law. the jews and that guy, moses - the trickster than the true reason for religion. and those people. the desert religions.

Religions were invented by men therefore so were the 10 commandments.

 

[BreezeWood]

... what is their real intent through religion than law.

Religions were invented by men therefore so were the 10 commandments.

your statement is only partially correct ... and yes for the 10 commandments negating their scriptures, the desert religions as authentic - as to their underlying intent as usual there is omission ... different story.

because the desert is phony is not to dismiss a difference between law, foundation and a fundamental, metaphysical - religion, as proven by the progression of evolution ... there not necessarily being deities.

proven by the unique spiritual content to each physiology forged from a heavenly origin that surly allows remission for those so willing to understand the means to substantiate its existence to remain after their physiology expires.

 

[ding]

First, you need to define what you mean by "a positive case".
Second, you need to show us why that makes any difference.
Third, I made more than five different points supporting my contentions. You made none at the time and now you'veve refused to address any of the points I made.

Let's start over. Please describe for us some of the feedbacks from nature that result from violating the a priori universal laws you tell us are embedded there.

If you don’t understand what a positive case means you have no business discussing anything.

 

[BreezeWood]

Second, you need to show us why that makes any difference.

If you don’t understand what a positive case means you have no business discussing anything.

bing, try and keep up ...

not sure with the difference, surly though your positive case is just another doge from the true meaning of a subject to a warped distraction based solely on your own self appeasement.

 

[onefour1]

Without God Who Or What Decides What Moral Law Is?​

The World Economic Forum of course. More especially their great advisor Yuval Noah Harari

 

[The Duke]

- and, what has the natural world have to do w/ the 10 commandments ... what is their real intent through religion than law. the jews and that guy, moses - the trickster than the true reason for religion. and those people. the desert religions.

Wow..

No words.

Wait! Words!

The world does work according to how the Bible says.

Like clockwork. The natural world has everything to do with the Biblical world because they are one and the same.

It is what it is.

 

[BreezeWood]

Like clockwork. The natural world has everything to do with the Biblical world because they are one and the same.

entirely two different considerations - desert religions are repression through servitude to singular corruptions made for self serving purposes - duke.

natural world is inclusive for all living beings ...

Then God said, “Let us make life in our image, in our likeness, the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky the livestock and all the wild animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground.”

what jesus taught - before being crucified ...

Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

duke and the desert - nothing natural or religious - at all - for their self serving beliefs their path from the garden they will never return to. all three desert religions.

 

[surada]

I think that it's a very good question actually. She brings up a very good point.

Read the Code of Hamurabbi.

 

[irosie91]

Read the Code of Hamurabbi.

She would make a good high school Social Studies teacher----but beyond the
teenaged mind----I see no value in her "sermon" As to the Code of Hammarabi,
of course it is good to know-----but it is a really primitive set of laws. I will resist
the temptation to compare it to this or that code

 

[onefour1]

This is the type of moral law they wish to implement:

 

[expat_panama]

Read the Code of Hamurabbi.

Wait a sec, have YOU read the Code of Hammurabi? It's HUGE!! It a lot more like the Napoleonic Code in its complexity. Add to that a bureaucratic inflexibility that only a government could provide.

Don't get me wrong, my bet is that it was a big step forward, but let's understand that it's not something to read while ur say, on a bus.