Winter storm emergency, Solar & Wind fail

None operate in a blizzard in sub-zero temperatures? You are a liar, Elektra.

Watching Wind Turbines in Snow Sheds Light on Inefficiencies

The new research was led by by University of Minnesota assistant professor Jiarong Hong, whose team spent time watching weather forecasts, waiting for a nighttime storm in which they could light up snowflakes around a turbine at the school's wind energy research station.

Hong, a mechanical engineer, was encouraged by more ordinary observation of snow early in his work: "When you look at the snowflakes around street lamps, that actually illustrate vividly how snow motions can be captured and might be able to be used to track [air] flows."

Sometimes, his seven-person team drove out to the field station, set up all their equipment, and the snow didn't come.

Other times, they braved ten-hour stretches of working in subzero temperatures, only to be hampered by malfunctioning equipment and, at least once, a stranded vehicle. "It's really a heroic effort to get data like this," Hong said.

The experiment came together around 2 a.m. one snowy morning in February of last year, when Hong's researchers positioned a spotlight behind a 2.5 megawatt wind turbine. The spotlight was fitted to cast a thin sheet of light that illuminated the snow as the turbine sliced through it.

Hong and his team were finally able to gather data showing how air behaves behind a utility-scale turbine, giving new insights into how the turbulence works. For instance, they found that the air disturbances that other researchers had detected occur closer to the turbine blades than described in previous studies.
 
Stupid ass, look it up.

National Wind Watch Output From Industrial Wind Power

General Electric (GE) makes a once widely used 1.5-megawatt model. 1.5 MW is its rated, or maximum, capacity, at which rate it will produce power when the wind is in the ideal range for that model, between 27 and 56 mph. Turbines are now generally in the range of 2-3 MW.
Last I checked, 40 mph is between 27-56 mph.

Now is that a sustained wind of 56 mph in ideal conditions or is that a 56 mph wind generated by a sub-zero winter storm with hurricane force gusts?

Give it a break, Old Crock. If you don't I will go back to calling you, old crock.

Old Crock, why are referencing a propaganda site? Seriously, if you are going to reference a GE model, why not use the model name and the actual Technical Data? Your site gives kindergarten answers to kindergarten questions.

Old Crock, what you wish to discuss is the "cut-out" wind speed. Actually, Old Crock does not want to discuss the cut-out wind speed, Old Crock must stay as far as possible from the truth, that is why Old Crock is talking about Wind Turbines in England, not New England, two very different types of weather (climate for those scientific democrat types).
 
None operate in a blizzard in sub-zero temperatures? You are a liar, Elektra.

Watching Wind Turbines in Snow Sheds Light on Inefficiencies

The new research was led by by University of Minnesota assistant professor Jiarong Hong, whose team spent time watching weather forecasts, waiting for a nighttime storm in which they could light up snowflakes around a turbine at the school's wind energy research station.

Hong, a mechanical engineer, was encouraged by more ordinary observation of snow early in his work: "When you look at the snowflakes around street lamps, that actually illustrate vividly how snow motions can be captured and might be able to be used to track [air] flows."

Sometimes, his seven-person team drove out to the field station, set up all their equipment, and the snow didn't come.

Other times, they braved ten-hour stretches of working in subzero temperatures, only to be hampered by malfunctioning equipment and, at least once, a stranded vehicle. "It's really a heroic effort to get data like this," Hong said.

The experiment came together around 2 a.m. one snowy morning in February of last year, when Hong's researchers positioned a spotlight behind a 2.5 megawatt wind turbine. The spotlight was fitted to cast a thin sheet of light that illuminated the snow as the turbine sliced through it.

Hong and his team were finally able to gather data showing how air behaves behind a utility-scale turbine, giving new insights into how the turbulence works. For instance, they found that the air disturbances that other researchers had detected occur closer to the turbine blades than described in previous studies.
They did an experiment with snowflakes Old Crock, is that the same as a blizzard with hurricane force winds? How come you link to an article, not the study? Not even the abstract? What was the Wind conditions in the "experiment". 10 m/s? Hardly reaching the "cut-out" wind speed of the GE model (?) Old Crock referenced, which is 25 m/s.

Old Crock, can you convert 25 m/s into mph? Do they measure wind speed, technically with mph or kph? Technically neither, right.

It is as I state, correct? Ignore this post if its a bit embarrassing Old Crock.
 
As I write this, I am sitting in the Storm Room of one of the major New England utility companies.......

That rock of coal would do us no good. The Communistwealth of Massachusetts shut down the last coal-fueled generator here earlier this year. What would be a massive assistance would be getting out of the way of the additional natural gas pipelines needed from the New York border to the NG-generating facilities across the state. That would have signifiacntly reduced the massive rate increase we all saw this fall/winter.

As for the "green" energies..... I don't deal with them directly in my position, but I do know that solar farms don't generate much electricity when they are covered in snow, and/or there's a blizzard going on outside. I also know that there are certain limits which the wind turbies are allowed to be run during. Eventually the wind gets too high and they have to be shut down for SAFETY reasons.
 
You concluded, before you ever saw a trace of evidence, that solar and wind energy were both bad ideas. Your claims that producing solar and wind facilities consumed more energy than they would save was, perhaps, the zenith of your nonsense. Your opinions on the topic are a running joke.
 
He shows your conclusions invalid, moron.
You concluded, before you ever saw a trace of evidence, that solar and wind energy were both bad ideas. Your claims that producing solar and wind facilities consumed more energy than they would save was, perhaps, the zenith of your nonsense. Your opinions on the topic are a running joke.
I concluded before I saw a trace of evidence that Solar and Wind were bad ideas? Yet you concluded the opposite with even less evidence and certainly with zero technical knowledge.

You bring up evidence, tell us the evidence you base your decision on? At the same time make sure you tell us home much energy is used, what types, tell us about all those chemicals that used in production, where they come from, if they use of certain chemicals and elements increase or decrease the consumption of crude oil and other natural resources.

So tell us about all that evidence you based your decision on. Inform us or run away from your comments, as you always do.
 
None operate in a blizzard in sub-zero temperatures? You are a liar, Elektra.

Watching Wind Turbines in Snow Sheds Light on Inefficiencies

The new research was led by by University of Minnesota assistant professor Jiarong Hong, whose team spent time watching weather forecasts, waiting for a nighttime storm in which they could light up snowflakes around a turbine at the school's wind energy research station.

Hong, a mechanical engineer, was encouraged by more ordinary observation of snow early in his work: "When you look at the snowflakes around street lamps, that actually illustrate vividly how snow motions can be captured and might be able to be used to track [air] flows."

Sometimes, his seven-person team drove out to the field station, set up all their equipment, and the snow didn't come.

Other times, they braved ten-hour stretches of working in subzero temperatures, only to be hampered by malfunctioning equipment and, at least once, a stranded vehicle. "It's really a heroic effort to get data like this," Hong said.

The experiment came together around 2 a.m. one snowy morning in February of last year, when Hong's researchers positioned a spotlight behind a 2.5 megawatt wind turbine. The spotlight was fitted to cast a thin sheet of light that illuminated the snow as the turbine sliced through it.

Hong and his team were finally able to gather data showing how air behaves behind a utility-scale turbine, giving new insights into how the turbulence works. For instance, they found that the air disturbances that other researchers had detected occur closer to the turbine blades than described in previous studies.
Really? Wind flow patterns?? your posting this crap? When the storm The OP is talking about has glazed and thrown out of balance the wind turbines, the wind speeds have exceeded safety levels, and the dam fools didn't have enough foresight to see the potential for total shut down...

Stupidity meet irrelevance...
 
And no one has yet to post a link that states that all the wind generation in the Northeast was down at the same time. So it is safe to assume that is just another 'fact' that Elektra pulled out of her ass.
 
And no one has yet to post a link that states that all the wind generation in the Northeast was down at the same time. So it is safe to assume that is just another 'fact' that Elektra pulled out of her ass.
All? Links, we don't need no stinking links. Anybody who knows anything technical about Wind Turbines understand the limitations of man's expensive toys in winds over the cut-out speed.

Who operates the Gloucester Wind Turbines? Old Crock, I bet they are not even working at this moment. I bet you all those local papers won't even mention the Wind Turbines.

I say 45 mph wind would shut down every Wind Turbine in Michigan. Maybe 55 mph in Gloucester, beings that they are as tall as tall and massive as 3-40 story office buildings.

and as a side note, how do you fight a fire on an out of control 40 story tall wind turbine?
 
WINTER STORM Snow cold did not affect wind turbines in the Big Country - Reporter News

Thanks to the proximity of wind farms, many West Texans avoided most of the rolling blackouts other parts of the state experienced Wednesday as power companies relieved the strain on generating plants.

Greg Wortham of Sweetwater, executive director for Texas Wind Energy Clearinghouse, said the snow and cold did not affect the turbines. By contrast, plants using water or fossil fuel encountered frozen water lines or other problems with the cold.

"The wind farms provided approximately 7 percent of the energy during the blackouts," he said. Since the transmission lines connect directly to many West Texas communities, they received the extra power.

Hmmmmmmmm.....................

DEFLECT DEFLECT DEFLECT.
 
A sad day in the USA, the worst winter storm this year, people fear freezing to death, as Solar and Wind power fail across New England.

If only they had a chunk of Coal.


wind and solar are expensive but "ok" when idling along

they fail when it comes for demand or peak usage

the times when it is most needed such as during blizzards and extreme hot days

if we insist on converting everything over to wind and panel

get used to rolling brown outs -blackouts and sitting in the cold or hot
 
WINTER STORM Snow cold did not affect wind turbines in the Big Country - Reporter News

Thanks to the proximity of wind farms, many West Texans avoided most of the rolling blackouts other parts of the state experienced Wednesday as power companies relieved the strain on generating plants.

Greg Wortham of Sweetwater, executive director for Texas Wind Energy Clearinghouse, said the snow and cold did not affect the turbines. By contrast, plants using water or fossil fuel encountered frozen water lines or other problems with the cold.

"The wind farms provided approximately 7 percent of the energy during the blackouts," he said. Since the transmission lines connect directly to many West Texas communities, they received the extra power.

Hmmmmmmmm.....................

from the link

About half of the turbines were producing Wednesday, putting out about 4,000 megawatts of energy.

why only 1/2

that doesnt sound reliable at all

and it does sound like it was the turbines fault

not mentioned in the article was the wind factor shutting down wind turbines

wind another factor associated with blizzards

bliz·zard
ˈblizərd/
noun
  1. a severe snowstorm with high winds and low visibility.
    synonyms: snowstorm, whiteout, snow squall, snowfall;
 
WINTER STORM Snow cold did not affect wind turbines in the Big Country - Reporter News

Thanks to the proximity of wind farms, many West Texans avoided most of the rolling blackouts other parts of the state experienced Wednesday as power companies relieved the strain on generating plants.

Greg Wortham of Sweetwater, executive director for Texas Wind Energy Clearinghouse, said the snow and cold did not affect the turbines. By contrast, plants using water or fossil fuel encountered frozen water lines or other problems with the cold.

"The wind farms provided approximately 7 percent of the energy during the blackouts," he said. Since the transmission lines connect directly to many West Texas communities, they received the extra power.

Hmmmmmmmm.....................
Texas is not in New England, moron.

But New England has experienced their largest snow events in generations. So it is clear that any problems wind or solar is having there is atypical. So, erm, what, again was your point?
 

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