Winter Does Not Disprove Global Warming

[RollingThunder]

Once again CO2 does NOT drive climate, never has.

Chanting the mantras of your little cult of AGW denial over and over won't make them real or true no matter how many times you repeat them, Klod. In fact, multiple lines of research have shown that changing CO2 levels was indeed one of the main drivers of climate change throughout Earth's long history.

And still no datasets with source code to prove their assertion.

There is an enormous amount of data of many kinds supporting the Theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming. Besides being a scientific illiterate, Klod, you obviously have your head wedged way too far up your own ass to know anything about this subject.

All the AGW cultists can do is post the AGW church propaganda.

All you crackpot denier cultists can do blow hot air and repeat the lies and myths of your cult. You have no scientific support for your brainwashed denial of the reality of AGW.

Just like the nutjobs in the 'Flat Earth Society', you denier cultists are so crazy that you call the scientific research and the testimony of thousands of scientists all around the world, "church propaganda". Trying to equate science with religion because you're too stupid to understand the difference is an aberration common to anti-science, 'faith(in nonsense)-based' morons like you, Klod. People all around the world are seeing for themselves the changes in climate patterns, seasonal timing, precipitation, temperatures and other indicators so your lame denial of the obvious effects of the increased CO2 levels just makes you and the other deniers look increasingly insane.

 

[thanatos144]

Once again CO2 does NOT drive climate, never has.

Chanting the mantras of your little cult of AGW denial over and over won't make them real or true no matter how many times you repeat them, Klod. In fact, multiple lines of research have shown that changing CO2 levels was indeed one of the main drivers of climate change throughout Earth's long history.

And still no datasets with source code to prove their assertion.

There is an enormous amount of data of many kinds supporting the Theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming. Besides being a scientific illiterate, Klod, you obviously have your head wedged way too far up your own ass to know anything about this subject.

All the AGW cultists can do is post the AGW church propaganda.

All you crackpot denier cultists can do blow hot air and repeat the lies and myths of your cult. You have no scientific support for your brainwashed denial of the reality of AGW.

Just like the nutjobs in the 'Flat Earth Society', you denier cultists are so crazy that you call the scientific research and the testimony of thousands of scientists all around the world, "church propaganda". Trying to equate science with religion because you're too stupid to understand the difference is an aberration common to anti-science, 'faith(in nonsense)-based' morons like you, Klod. People all around the world are seeing for themselves the changes in climate patterns, seasonal timing, precipitation, temperatures and other indicators so your lame denial of the obvious effects of the increased CO2 levels just makes you and the other deniers look increasingly insane.

Hey stupid can you tell me how oxygen is made?

 

[RollingThunder]

Hey stupid can you tell me how oxygen is made?

Sure thing, retard, although it's a bit off-topic.

Oxygen is "made" in a process called nucleosynthesis at the end of the helium fusion process in massive stars.

 

[skookerasbil]

I'm terribly sorry you missed that. I would have bet my eyeteeth that everyone had seen it. Here's how it goes.

Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, man, by the combustion of fossil fuels (primarily coal and petroleum of course) has put hundreds of billions of tons of carbon dioxide into the Earth's atmosphere: enough to raise the level from 280 parts per million to 400 parts per million.

Carbon dioxide is one of the greenhouse gases. It absorbs some of the infrared spectra. So, sunlight shines on the Earth where it is absorbed by the ocean and the land and a little by the air. Anything above absolute zero (and that would be everything) radiates infrared light (also known as radiant heat). A planet whose atmosphere had no carbon dioxide or other greenhouse gases would allow all of that reradiated infrared (that wasn't aimed back at the Earth) to escape to space. But planets like ours, whose atmospheres DO have some greenhouse gases (GHGs from hereon) trap a portion of that radiation. Thus they tend to accumulate solar energy which increases their temperatures which increases the amount of infrared radiation. This carries on till things balance out again. But if the level of GHGs increases, the atmosphere will have to warm up to find a new equilibrium point again. If GHGs just keep climbing, so will temperatures. If the Earth had no carbon dioxide, it's average temperature would be almost 33 centigrade degrees cooler than it is. The Earth would be a snowball. So we humans need SOME CO2.

So, the CO2 that humans have added to the Earth's atmosphere has caused it to accumulate solar energy and it is still warming up, trying to find an equilibrium point. Of course we're still pumping GHGs into the air faster and faster, so it's always playing catch up. And CO2 stays in the air for quite a long time, so that even if we could magically stop all further CO2 emissions right this instant, the Earth's temperature would continue to rise for many, many years.

Okay, got the big picture? Do let me know if you have any other questions. I'd be glad to help out wherever I can.

Right, the "the big picture, I have a question.

Do you believe every Molecule of CO2 released into the atmosphere stays there forever?

CO2, hard for people to grasp its significance, or insignificance.

Thus far all you got is theories, no fact.

Here is a fact, any particle from space, as in radiation that strikes a molecule of CO2, radiation from the sun, solar radiation loses enuergy after striking CO2.

Stuff is not bouncing around making things hot, its as simple as Billiards, or even a nuclear reaction, it gets weak, quickly. Hell, one can actually stand next to spent nuclear fuel and not get burnt to a crisp, its a simple principle, once a molecule or neutron or whatever strikes something, it loses its strength, even its heat.

CO2, a freind of life, which makes it an enemy of....................

The Earth is warming and the evidence of that warming is getting more obvious almost everywhere.

 

[skookerasbil]

Sorry......I cant help it. Im particularly fond of making fun of the sicko's!!

 

[thanatos144]

Hey stupid can you tell me how oxygen is made?

Sure thing, retard, although it's a bit off-topic.

Oxygen is "made" in a process called nucleosynthesis at the end of the helium fusion process in massive stars.

really? What gas again does plants change into oxygen?

 

[westwall]

Climate change deniers cite snowstorm: Debunking Donald Trump et al.

An intense blizzard, appropriately named Hercules, has blanketed the Northeast. Antarctic ice locked in a Russian ship containing a team of scientists—en route, no less, to do climate research. Record low temperatures have been seen in parts of the United States, and in Winnipeg, Manitoba, temperatures on Dec. 31, 2013 were as cold as temperatures on ... Mars.....

....

1. Statements about climate trends must be based on, er, trends. Not individual events or occurrences. Weather is not climate, and anecdotes are not statistics.

2. Global warming is actually expected to increase “heavy precipitation in winter storms,” and for the Northern Hemisphere, there is evidence that these storms are already more frequent and intense, according to the draft U.S. National Climate Assessment.

3. Antarctica is a very cold place. But global warming is affecting it as predicted: Antarctica is losing ice overall, according to the latest report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. However, sea ice is a different matter than land-based or glacial ice. Antarctic sea ice is increasing, and moreover, the reason for this may be climate change! (For more, read here.)

Finally, just one last thing: When it’s winter on Earth, it’s also summer on Earth ... somewhere else. Thus, allow us to counter anecdotal evidence about cold weather with more anecdotal evidence: It’s blazing hot in Australia, with temperatures in some regions set to possibly soar above 120 degrees Fahrenheit in the coming days.

its a shame we've let this become yet another partisan football because, in the end, if allow the continued dumbing down of America, we all lose.

Nor does summer support it..... See how that works...

 

[Kosh]

Once again CO2 does NOT drive climate, never has.

Chanting the mantras of your little cult of AGW denial over and over won't make them real or true no matter how many times you repeat them, Klod. In fact, multiple lines of research have shown that changing CO2 levels was indeed one of the main drivers of climate change throughout Earth's long history.

And still no datasets with source code to prove their assertion.

There is an enormous amount of data of many kinds supporting the Theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming. Besides being a scientific illiterate, Klod, you obviously have your head wedged way too far up your own ass to know anything about this subject.

All the AGW cultists can do is post the AGW church propaganda.

All you crackpot denier cultists can do blow hot air and repeat the lies and myths of your cult. You have no scientific support for your brainwashed denial of the reality of AGW.

Just like the nutjobs in the 'Flat Earth Society', you denier cultists are so crazy that you call the scientific research and the testimony of thousands of scientists all around the world, "church propaganda". Trying to equate science with religion because you're too stupid to understand the difference is an aberration common to anti-science, 'faith(in nonsense)-based' morons like you, Klod. People all around the world are seeing for themselves the changes in climate patterns, seasonal timing, precipitation, temperatures and other indicators so your lame denial of the obvious effects of the increased CO2 levels just makes you and the other deniers look increasingly insane.

The irony of this entire post.

 

[Kosh]

Let's not cherry pick the data. We are talking climate so let's look at some real data. Some data that covers enough to get a true picture:

Lovely picture. It's from Vostok I presume. You didn't say.

What's your point? Are you going to tell me how CO2 always lags behind temperature?

Are you? Don't be afraid. If that's what you were going to say, you go right ahead and say it.

So in other words you don't like science facts, you prefer the AGW church propaganda.

We already knew that about you.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Climate change deniers cite snowstorm: Debunking Donald Trump et al.

An intense blizzard, appropriately named Hercules, has blanketed the Northeast. Antarctic ice locked in a Russian ship containing a team of scientists—en route, no less, to do climate research. Record low temperatures have been seen in parts of the United States, and in Winnipeg, Manitoba, temperatures on Dec. 31, 2013 were as cold as temperatures on ... Mars.....

....

1. Statements about climate trends must be based on, er, trends. Not individual events or occurrences. Weather is not climate, and anecdotes are not statistics.

2. Global warming is actually expected to increase “heavy precipitation in winter storms,” and for the Northern Hemisphere, there is evidence that these storms are already more frequent and intense, according to the draft U.S. National Climate Assessment.

3. Antarctica is a very cold place. But global warming is affecting it as predicted: Antarctica is losing ice overall, according to the latest report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. However, sea ice is a different matter than land-based or glacial ice. Antarctic sea ice is increasing, and moreover, the reason for this may be climate change! (For more, read here.)

Finally, just one last thing: When it’s winter on Earth, it’s also summer on Earth ... somewhere else. Thus, allow us to counter anecdotal evidence about cold weather with more anecdotal evidence: It’s blazing hot in Australia, with temperatures in some regions set to possibly soar above 120 degrees Fahrenheit in the coming days.

its a shame we've let this become yet another partisan football because, in the end, if allow the continued dumbing down of America, we all lose.

Two points.

• If winter doesn't disprove the warming alarmism, summer doesn't prove it.
• It is summer in Antarctica, not winter, which makes your argument that it being winter is why they were caught in the ice look even dumber than your usual posts.

That aside, feel free to keep telling me I am dumb because I know this all the time, and you only know it when it makes you look good.

 

[Abraham3]

No one is trying to use summer to prove global warming. For one thing, it is unnecessary. Global warming is shown by the global, ANNUALLY-AVERAGED temperature record of the last 150 years.

The people trying to use Winter to disprove it would be all the folks going on about the Arctic cold spell that has descended on the US and Canada the last couple of weeks. Those would all be folks on your side of the argument. However, your statement: that if Winter isn't evidence, Summer isn't evidence, is just fine with me. At least it indicates someone on your side of the argument is aware that Winter isn't evidence.

Right? Right.

 

[skookerasbil]

Frost quakes in Canada!!!!

Rare events that happen when it gets colder than cold!!! Gigantic booms heard in communities all over Canada.


Canada is so cold it is now experiencing 'frost quakes' | Mail Online



Shit.......these people need a little global warming!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

No one is trying to use summer to prove global warming. For one thing, it is unnecessary. Global warming is shown by the global, ANNUALLY-AVERAGED temperature record of the last 150 years.

The people trying to use Winter to disprove it would be all the folks going on about the Arctic cold spell that has descended on the US and Canada the last couple of weeks. Those would all be folks on your side of the argument. However, your statement: that if Winter isn't evidence, Summer isn't evidence, is just fine with me. At least it indicates someone on your side of the argument is aware that Winter isn't evidence.

Right? Right.

yuk.......yuk.........yuk..........


What climate change? Fewer people than EVER believe the world is really warming up | UK | News | Daily Express



LMAO......and this poll BEFORE this epic cold!!!!

 

[westwall]

No one is trying to use summer to prove global warming. For one thing, it is unnecessary. Global warming is shown by the global, ANNUALLY-AVERAGED temperature record of the last 150 years.

The people trying to use Winter to disprove it would be all the folks going on about the Arctic cold spell that has descended on the US and Canada the last couple of weeks. Those would all be folks on your side of the argument. However, your statement: that if Winter isn't evidence, Summer isn't evidence, is just fine with me. At least it indicates someone on your side of the argument is aware that Winter isn't evidence.

Right? Right.

16 years no warming. Right? Right?

 

[Dot Com]

Climate change deniers cite snowstorm: Debunking Donald Trump et al.

An intense blizzard, appropriately named Hercules, has blanketed the Northeast. Antarctic ice locked in a Russian ship containing a team of scientists—en route, no less, to do climate research. Record low temperatures have been seen in parts of the United States, and in Winnipeg, Manitoba, temperatures on Dec. 31, 2013 were as cold as temperatures on ... Mars.....

....

1. Statements about climate trends must be based on, er, trends. Not individual events or occurrences. Weather is not climate, and anecdotes are not statistics.

2. Global warming is actually expected to increase “heavy precipitation in winter storms,” and for the Northern Hemisphere, there is evidence that these storms are already more frequent and intense, according to the draft U.S. National Climate Assessment.

3. Antarctica is a very cold place. But global warming is affecting it as predicted: Antarctica is losing ice overall, according to the latest report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. However, sea ice is a different matter than land-based or glacial ice. Antarctic sea ice is increasing, and moreover, the reason for this may be climate change! (For more, read here.)

Finally, just one last thing: When it’s winter on Earth, it’s also summer on Earth ... somewhere else. Thus, allow us to counter anecdotal evidence about cold weather with more anecdotal evidence: It’s blazing hot in Australia, with temperatures in some regions set to possibly soar above 120 degrees Fahrenheit in the coming days.

its a shame we've let this become yet another partisan football because, in the end, if allow the continued dumbing down of America, we all lose.

I know right? deniers are so predictable

 

[RollingThunder]

No one is trying to use summer to prove global warming. For one thing, it is unnecessary. Global warming is shown by the global, ANNUALLY-AVERAGED temperature record of the last 150 years.

The people trying to use Winter to disprove it would be all the folks going on about the Arctic cold spell that has descended on the US and Canada the last couple of weeks. Those would all be folks on your side of the argument. However, your statement: that if Winter isn't evidence, Summer isn't evidence, is just fine with me. At least it indicates someone on your side of the argument is aware that Winter isn't evidence.

Right? Right.

16 years no warming. Right? Right?

No, wrong, wrong, you ridiculous retard. 16 years of continued accelerating warming. 16 years of severe Arctic ice cap melting. 16 years of melting permafrost. 16 years of Greenland ice melting. 16 years of West Antarctic ice melting. 16 years of rapidly melting mountain glaciers. 16 years of rapidly rising ocean temperatures. 16 years of rising sea levels.

Get your imaginary 'pause' off me, you damn delusional deniers

 

[Stephanie]

It's amusing to me how warmers adapt argument to suit any occasion.


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Wasn't that their reason for changing it from, globull warming to CLIMATE CHANGE

Suckers born every damn minute and politicans knows how to play them like a fiddle

sheesh

 

[RollingThunder]

Wasn't that their reason for changing it from, globull warming to CLIMATE CHANGE
Suckers born every damn minute and politicans knows how to play them like a fiddle

If a sucker is born every minute, then you certainly were one of them, Stupidanie. You'd have to be a complete sucker to be taken in by that moldy old denier cult lie.

As I just told another denier cult nitwit earlier in this thread in post #17:

"And another denier cult retard demonstrates how brainwashed and befuddled he is by parroting one of the most absurd and idiotic of the denier cult myths.

In reality, 'global warming' and 'climate change' mean somewhat different things and both terms have been used by the scientific community since at least the 1970s. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was formed in 1988. Both terms are still widely used because the Earth is still rapidly warming and the increased temperatures are still causing changes in previously long established climate patterns."

 

[Stephanie]

Wasn't that their reason for changing it from, globull warming to CLIMATE CHANGE
Suckers born every damn minute and politicans knows how to play them like a fiddle

If a sucker is born every minute, then you certainly were one of them, Stupidanie. You'd have to be a complete sucker to be taken in by that moldy old denier cult lie.

As I just told another denier cult nitwit earlier in this thread in post #17:

"And another denier cult retard demonstrates how brainwashed and befuddled he is by parroting one of the most absurd and idiotic of the denier cult myths.

In reality, 'global warming' and 'climate change' mean somewhat different things and both terms have been used by the scientific community since at least the 1970s. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was formed in 1988. Both terms are still widely used because the Earth is still rapidly warming and the increased temperatures are still causing changes in previously long established climate patterns."

oh brother, another blowhard know it all bully jerk]
blah blah blah blah

 

[Quantum Windbag]

No one is trying to use summer to prove global warming. For one thing, it is unnecessary. Global warming is shown by the global, ANNUALLY-AVERAGED temperature record of the last 150 years.

The people trying to use Winter to disprove it would be all the folks going on about the Arctic cold spell that has descended on the US and Canada the last couple of weeks. Those would all be folks on your side of the argument. However, your statement: that if Winter isn't evidence, Summer isn't evidence, is just fine with me. At least it indicates someone on your side of the argument is aware that Winter isn't evidence.

Right? Right.

I bet you believe no one is pro abortion, and that GMO food causes autism.