Will White Privilege End Affirmative Action?

[22lcidw]

How long has it been since a Jew was tossed into an Oven, but that is still used as an excuse to justify the bad behavior of Israel? (See, I was being nice and didn't call it the "Zionist Entity" that time. )

So let's look what happened AFTER slavery ended. They passed Jim Crow laws to keep blacks from participating in society. They passed anti-miscegenation laws to keep the racial groups distinct. (Unlike Brazil, which had no such laws and after slavery ended, the population blended). And this kind of shit continued up until the 1960's.

You can't erase 400 years of bad policy in a few decades.

Now, all that said, this argument over Harvard is a bit silly, because the vast majority of Americans- black and white - have no real chance of getting into Harvard. That Harvard and Yale dominate our political and business culture as much as they do is the problem here, not who actually gets in.

For someone of any race to say, "Boo-Hoo, I didn't get into Harvard, I'm going to have to settle for State University" is not a crisis.

Perhaps not. But we could have spent ten percent of what we did for the same results over the same decades by your statement.

 

[Mac-7]

Why are you racists so scared to talk about what you did after slavery.

You crutch is Jim Crow which was mostly practiced in the south

whereas the chinese and japanese were treated little better ehen they first arrived here

In fact visit the hood today and you will find shops owned by asian immigrants selling to the native black people

blacks who cash their welfare check and rush to the vietnamese nail shop or the korean owned beauty supply for their wigs

 

[JoeMoma]

You would have to agree with that simple logic

You are expecting IM2 to agree with logic?

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

You are expecting IM2 to agree with logic?

I never expect much so never disappointed...lol

I'm still waiting for his response to Hunters racist disgusting emails in contrast if
Don Jr said them.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Today with a majority right wing supreme court thanks to 2 stolen seats due to ethically questionable tactics by Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Affirmative Action will be on the chopping block with odds looking very bad for it’s survival. Much of this is due to the tireless racism of one Edward Blum. Blum has tried countless times to end affirmative action. This time he has latched on to Asians to use in his maniacal quest to return America to white supremacy. Let us look at the particulars of Students for Fair Admissions v. President & Fellows of Harvard College. It is a case first filed in 2014.

In this case the contention is that Asians are being discriminated against based on number of Asians turned down for Harvard admission. More than 30,000 student each year apply to Harvard. In 2019, there were 36,000 applicants for 1,600 slots. That meant 34,400 students of all races were not admitted. The claim is Asians are being excluded for black and hispanic students. Ironically they aren’t being denied for white legacy students. Students for Fair Admissions claimed that Harvard violated title VI of the Civil Rights Act. Title VI, “prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, and national origin in programs and activities receiving federal financial assistance.” Now this is where the claim gets sticky. But before we get to that, we need to understand what courts use as regulations guiding a decision of cases such as this.

When a case such as this goes to court there are many things the court considers. As it pertains to this case, First Circuit Court determined that Harvard’s policy satisfied “strict scrutiny” and did not discriminate against Asians relative to admissions. Strict scrutiny comes into play in equal protection cases such as this one because under the law, race is considered a suspect category therefore if race is used as a classification in situations like this one, it must be proven that using race is “necessary to further a compelling interest.”

It is time to look at Blums claim. He claims Asians are being discriminated against in admissions. Harvard admission numbers do not support his claim. Asians are 6 percent of the American population, but they were 25.9 percent of the students entering Harvard in 2021. That is a full 10 percentage points more than African Americans(15.9%) and more than double the percentage of Hispanics(12.5%) and Native Americans(11%). In addition, a study was published by the National Bureau of Economic Research and reported on the NBC.com web site on September 20, 2019, revealed this:

“Using publicly released reports, we examine the preferences Harvard gives for recruited athletes, legacies, those on the dean’s interest list, and children of faculty and staff (ALDCs). Among white admits, over 43% are ALDC. Among admits who are African American, Asian American, and Hispanic, the share is less than 16% each. Our model of admissions shows that roughly three quarters of white ALDC admits would have been rejected if they had been treated as white non-ALDCs. Removing preferences for athletes and legacies would significantly alter the racial distribution of admitted students, with the share of white admits falling and all other groups rising or remaining unchanged.”

So what we see here is that whites are provided entry by a plethora of other preferences they would not qualify for if not for their race. The study shows that Asian admittance is not being stifled or reduced because Harvard must admit blacks and Hispanics that are presumably unqualified. Instead we see that it is white ALDC students who would not qualify under any other circumstance being admitted at more than double the number of Asians, blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans.

So will white privilege whereby a white man can whine for years to the supreme court bringing case after case of meritless crap, end affirmative action when the facts plainly show that more unqualified white students are being admitted into Harvard on preferences they get that non whites can't? Will white privilege whereby whites can pretend that race has nothing to do with legacy, deans interest lists and children of faculty/staff that are majority white win?

Admissions Statistics, A Brief Profile of the Admitted Class of 2025, Harvard welcomes students from across the country and all over, Admissions Statistics

Daniella Silva, Study on Harvard finds 43 percent of white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff, Study finds 43 percent of Harvard's white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff

Peter Arcidiacono, Josh Kinsler, Tyler Ransom, National Bureau Of Economic Research, Legacy And Athlete Preferences At Harvard, Working Paper 26316, Legacy and Athlete Preferences at Harvard

Does ending Affirmative Action mean you're not able to post here any more?

 

[Hellokitty]

OP, so why aren't liberals canceling Harvard?

 

[martybegan]

This is about present ills that continue happening.

Many of them inflicted by democratic/progressive policies.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I am on record saying that whites are still getting preferences while others are denied. That I'm not responsible crap doesn't play here.

Hang on Sloopy, did you actually think he'd address what you said honestly?

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

WHO started "white supremacy"?

THE DEMOCRATS.

WHO keeps "white supremacy" going?

THE DEMOCRATS.

WHO do the blacks worship and choose to run their lives?

THE DEMOCRATS.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

Hang on Sloopy, did you actually think he'd address what you said honestly?

I always hold out hope for some people. Otherwise he would be on Scroll-By a long time ago...lol

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

Does ending Affirmative Action mean you're not able to post here any more?

I had to read that 3 times to understand what you meant....lolol

That was a good sock it to me post...lolol

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

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WHO started "white supremacy"?

THE DEMOCRATS.

WHO keeps "white supremacy" going?

THE DEMOCRATS.

WHO do the blacks worship and choose to run their lives?

THE DEMOCRATS.

Where did you get that photo of the ancestors of our board libturds?

 

[katsteve2012]

Blacks were freed from their chains BEFORE asians began arriving in America

and asians have been the example that black people stubbornly refuse to learn from ever since

That is incorrect.

The first wave of Asian immigrants began to arrive in America in 1850, during the California "Gold Rush".

Slavery was abolished 15 years later in 1865.

Then Jim Crow took effect for the next 100 years.

Granted, Asians were treated poorly when they began to arrive in America, as ALL minorities and immigrants were, however they did not arrive in America in chains for the sole purpose of being used as slaves.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

Many of them inflicted by democratic/progressive policies.

Many????..Almost every Shit Hole inflicted it...lol

 

[Mac-7]

That is incorrect.

The first wave of Asian immigrants began to arrive in America in 1850, during the California "Gold Rush".

Slavery was abolished 15 years later in 1865.

Then Jim Crow took effect for the next 100 years.

Granted, Asians were treated poorly when they began to arrive in America, as ALL minorities and immigrants were, however they did not arrive in America in chains for the sole purpose of being used as slaves.

I wont argue with your dates

but 170 years later a difference of 15 years does not seem like much

asians have made much more of the opportunity America offers and black people have

 

[katsteve2012]

I wont argue with your dates

but 170 years later a difference of 15 years does not seem like much

asians have made much more of the opportunity America offers and black people have

As long as we are clear on the dates, that's fine.

However, Jim Crow laws also played as big a part as slavery.

I'm old enough to have seen its effects personally.

As far as how "Asians have made more of the opportunity that America offers", is certainly possible, considering that they arrived in America voluntarily, with far less contrictions.

 

[AMart]

Blacks were freed from their chains BEFORE asians began arriving in America

and asians have been the example that black people stubbornly refuse to learn from ever since

Or Irish Catholics before that. When they decided to assimilate and mirror WASP culture they were called Lace Curtain Irish as a pejorative by their own elected politicians.

 

[Maxnovax]

Today with a majority right wing supreme court thanks to 2 stolen seats due to ethically questionable tactics by Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Affirmative Action will be on the chopping block with odds looking very bad for it’s survival. Much of this is due to the tireless racism of one Edward Blum. Blum has tried countless times to end affirmative action. This time he has latched on to Asians to use in his maniacal quest to return America to white supremacy. Let us look at the particulars of Students for Fair Admissions v. President & Fellows of Harvard College. It is a case first filed in 2014.

In this case the contention is that Asians are being discriminated against based on number of Asians turned down for Harvard admission. More than 30,000 student each year apply to Harvard. In 2019, there were 36,000 applicants for 1,600 slots. That meant 34,400 students of all races were not admitted. The claim is Asians are being excluded for black and hispanic students. Ironically they aren’t being denied for white legacy students. Students for Fair Admissions claimed that Harvard violated title VI of the Civil Rights Act. Title VI, “prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, and national origin in programs and activities receiving federal financial assistance.” Now this is where the claim gets sticky. But before we get to that, we need to understand what courts use as regulations guiding a decision of cases such as this.

When a case such as this goes to court there are many things the court considers. As it pertains to this case, First Circuit Court determined that Harvard’s policy satisfied “strict scrutiny” and did not discriminate against Asians relative to admissions. Strict scrutiny comes into play in equal protection cases such as this one because under the law, race is considered a suspect category therefore if race is used as a classification in situations like this one, it must be proven that using race is “necessary to further a compelling interest.”

It is time to look at Blums claim. He claims Asians are being discriminated against in admissions. Harvard admission numbers do not support his claim. Asians are 6 percent of the American population, but they were 25.9 percent of the students entering Harvard in 2021. That is a full 10 percentage points more than African Americans(15.9%) and more than double the percentage of Hispanics(12.5%) and Native Americans(11%). In addition, a study was published by the National Bureau of Economic Research and reported on the NBC.com web site on September 20, 2019, revealed this:

“Using publicly released reports, we examine the preferences Harvard gives for recruited athletes, legacies, those on the dean’s interest list, and children of faculty and staff (ALDCs). Among white admits, over 43% are ALDC. Among admits who are African American, Asian American, and Hispanic, the share is less than 16% each. Our model of admissions shows that roughly three quarters of white ALDC admits would have been rejected if they had been treated as white non-ALDCs. Removing preferences for athletes and legacies would significantly alter the racial distribution of admitted students, with the share of white admits falling and all other groups rising or remaining unchanged.”

So what we see here is that whites are provided entry by a plethora of other preferences they would not qualify for if not for their race. The study shows that Asian admittance is not being stifled or reduced because Harvard must admit blacks and Hispanics that are presumably unqualified. Instead we see that it is white ALDC students who would not qualify under any other circumstance being admitted at more than double the number of Asians, blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans.

So will white privilege whereby a white man can whine for years to the supreme court bringing case after case of meritless crap, end affirmative action when the facts plainly show that more unqualified white students are being admitted into Harvard on preferences they get that non whites can't? Will white privilege whereby whites can pretend that race has nothing to do with legacy, deans interest lists and children of faculty/staff that are majority white win?

Admissions Statistics, A Brief Profile of the Admitted Class of 2025, Harvard welcomes students from across the country and all over, Admissions Statistics

Daniella Silva, Study on Harvard finds 43 percent of white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff, Study finds 43 percent of Harvard's white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff

Peter Arcidiacono, Josh Kinsler, Tyler Ransom, National Bureau Of Economic Research, Legacy And Athlete Preferences At Harvard, Working Paper 26316, Legacy and Athlete Preferences at Harvard

Why can’t you get a job on merit?

 

[Maxnovax]

As long as we are clear on the dates, that's fine.

However, Jim Crow laws also played as big a part as slavery.

I'm old enough to have seen its effects personally.

As far as how "Asians have made more of the opportunity that America offers", is certainly possible, considering that they arrived in America voluntarily, with far less contrictions.

If black ppl are going to vote for democrats the party of kkk, Jim Crow, lbj plan for welfare to destroy blacks for hundreds of years. I can’t help them any more

 

[katsteve2012]

If black ppl are going to vote for democrats the party of kkk, Jim Crow, lbj plan for welfare to destroy blacks for hundreds of years. I can’t help them any more View attachment 596447

I'm not political. Both parties are terrible IMO.

Jim Crow existed in other geographical regions than the south. I witnessed it personally.


Out of curiosity, how have you personally helped "THEM" in the past?