Zone1 Will SCOTUS overturn VA gerrymandering to create Dem districts?

[WorldWatcher]

They could if we repealed the 17th Amendment...They'd then be officers of the State, and not federally elected.

The states can do anything they damned well please with their officials.

Nope, once the Senator is sworn in they are federal officers.

The 17th only changed the method of selection, it's did change their status. The Constitution never contained any provisions for state removal of a federal Senator. The only way (outside of death or resignation) for early removal was Senate expulsion.

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[JohnDB]

Laws of physics of time and space needed to be suspended for this election.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Laws of physics of time and space needed to be suspended for this election.

Fairfax has DS200 polling location scanners. As votes are cast they are read by the optical scanners.

The highspeed scanners would be used for bulk processing mail in ballots and recounts.

The the increase in numbers isn't based on just high speed scanners, it's based on local precincts reporting in.

The laws of time and physics are safe.

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[JohnDB]

Fairfax has DS200 polling location scanners. As votes are cast they are read by the optical scanners.

The highspeed scanners would be used for bulk processing mail in ballots and recounts.

The the increase in numbers isn't based on just high speed scanners, it's based on local precincts reporting in.

The laws of time and physics are safe.

WW

The numbers still look hinky.
Maybe if there wasn't so much cheating documented already....the numbers might be accepted as a one time fluke.

What is VA going to do if this doesn't actually work out the way they think it will?

You know....like if Republicans win these districts with a 60% margin or something.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

The numbers still look hinky.
Maybe if there wasn't so much cheating documented already....the numbers might be accepted as a one time fluke.

What is VA going to do if this doesn't actually work out the way they think it will?

You know....like if Republicans win these districts with a 60% margin or something.

Well..they'd go to court, right?
Isn't that where losers go to whine in America now---it's become an inevitable part of the process.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The numbers still look hinky.
Maybe if there wasn't so much cheating documented already....the numbers might be accepted as a one time fluke.

What is VA going to do if this doesn't actually work out the way they think it will?

You know....like if Republicans win these districts with a 60% margin or something.

What will VA do?

Swear in the Republican's in your hypothetical that won the election.

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[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

There was another case in Maryland where the Democrats tried to redistrict their way into a stolen seat, and they were struck down.

So, we’ll see.

Democrats used race as the basis for their plan. SCOTUS said no!

 

[Lisa558]

Democrats used race as the basis for their plan. SCOTUS said no!

That’s exactly what happened. The Dems created some crazy zig-zag district carving in black neighborhoods.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

That’s exactly what happened. The Dems created some crazy zig-zag district carving in black neighborhoods.

Not in VA. They counted Democrats, not blacks.

 

[JohnDB]

Would for the LOVE OF MIKE the Democrats get a freaking brain!

The Democrat Party is on its deathbed making last gasp attempts.

They can't even win a rigged election anymore....
But they somehow believe they are popular and going to move forward with their agenda?

Most people have an instinctive reaction to government....it's called oppositional defiance. Meaning just because it's the Government asking most people will say "NO" without even pondering the question.

IOW the scariest thing you can say to people is "I'm from the government, I'm here to help".
Watch people run like cockroaches after that sort of statement.

Now just as I'm afraid of a Democrat Party takeover (screwed up my Healthcare last time that happened....time before that was 9-11....time before that was recession of 08....time before that was great depression.....I can continue).

I am equally afraid of a complete Republican takeover for when the Democrat Party implodes.
Because I enjoy a stalemate in congress.
No new groundbreaking regulations that change the landscape. I can survive when I have sufficient freedom and know the rules.

But if they continue on with their current agenda.....they are going to become irrelevant.

 

[Lisa558]

Not in VA. They counted Democrats, not blacks.

Yes, I’m talking about the MD case.

But didn’t the lower courts in VA rule that what the Dems did - disenfranchising half the state’s voters - was unconstitutional?

Regardless, I think the case will focus on the misleading language of the ballot question. I saw a poll in which 50% of voters admitted they were confused as to what they were voting for.

The election was based on deceiving voters.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yes, I’m talking about the MD case.

But didn’t the lower courts in VA rule that what the Dems did - disenfranchising half the state’s voters - was unconstitutional?

Regardless, I think the case will focus on the misleading language of the ballot question. I saw a poll in which 50% of voters admitted they were confused as to what they were voting for.

The election was based on deceiving voters.

I was just explaining why the MD case was different.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

The election was based on deceiving voters.

Aren't they all?

 

[JohnDB]

Not in VA. They counted Democrats, not blacks.

Sometimes that is the same thing....not always but sometimes.

But the discrimination of political persuasions for a precinct?...
Likely to get struck down too.

The Constitution Framers were very concerned about Rural vx Urban conflicts. As the cities needed the resources from the rural areas and the rural areas needed their voices to be heard just as much as urban city dwellers....even if there were fewer rural people.

The meaning is that one group is not allowed to control the conversation.

"Is Johnny racist?" Is not the question on the minds of the masses but "Does racism actually exist?" Likely is the question people want to ask. But if you control the conversation....it definitely makes a difference about what issues are addressed and how they are addressed.

Currently we have a nationwide issue concerning small, independent farms. (They got destroyed through Farm Credit loans)
Consequently we are paying exorbitantly high prices for beef. The current DOJ investigation into their collusion will bear fruit and they will be fined 100 million. However the half billion dollars they will have profited will mean they won't stop and will continue.
Chickens and eggs will soon go back up....and food in general will become expensive.

 

[WorldWatcher]

But the discrimination of political persuasions for a precinct?...
Likely to get struck down too.

Nope.

The Texas redistricting went to the SCOTUS and they said redistricting for political power was A-okay.

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[JohnDB]

Nope.

The Texas redistricting went to the SCOTUS and they said redistricting for political power was A-okay.

WW

Huh....
I'd kinda like to see that.
If you have a quote handy go ahead and post-it up....I can look for it myself if you don't.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Huh....
I'd kinda like to see that.
If you have a quote handy go ahead and post-it up....I can look for it myself if you don't.

Rucho v. Common Cause - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

588 U.S. 684 (2019) is a landmark case of the United States Supreme Court concerning partisan gerrymandering. The Court ruled that while partisan gerrymandering may be "incompatible with democratic principles", the federal courts cannot review such allegations, as they present nonjusticiable political questions outside the jurisdiction of these courts.

The case was one of three heard in the 2018 term dealing with issues related to partisan gerrymandering used in the districting plans of states. It was combined with Rucho v. League of Women Voters of North Carolina, and its decision included the Court's judgment on Lamone v. Benisek, a partisan gerrymandering case from Maryland. The 5–4 decision, divided along ideological lines, left in place North Carolina's congressional districts, which favored the Republican Party, and Maryland's congressional districts, which favored the Democratic Party.

 

[Delldude]

He he he...this would be a kick to the Nad's.

If you’re proud of something, you want people to see it. That is why it’s telling that Virginia Democrats are asking Old Dominion residents to vote for a redistricting scheme without allowing their proposed map to be printed on the ballots.

But it’s no wonder: the mid-decade redistricting proposal is an obscene gerrymander that will wipe out all but one GOP-leaning congressional district in the state. And, of course, they claim it’s all done in the name of "democracy."
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So, what can the president and his allies do? Aside from motivating Virginia residents to oppose this power grab, Trump has another tool he can use to "fight back," to borrow the supporters’ phrase. He could fight fire with fire and choose another type of re-Districting.

In 1790, Virginia and Maryland each gave five square miles of land to the Federal government to create a district for a new national capital. That Virginia land remained part of the District of Columbia until 1847, when it was retroceded to the commonwealth. The shameful reason for that retrocession was protecting slavery in Virginia when the district abolished it.
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President Trump could issue an executive order declaring the slavery-motivated retrocession unconstitutional, triggering certain legal action, and allowing the courts to finally weigh in on whether the county of Arlington and the city of Alexandria in fact properly belong to the District of Columbia.
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If Virginia Democrats’ redistricting succeeds, President Trump should re-District Virginia. It will not only neutralize the president’s political opponents’ move to stack Congress against him – thus protecting him from another likely sham impeachment – but, most importantly, it will save a great number of red Virginians from having their votes canceled out by deep blue D.C.-adjacent liberals.

Trump has a bold option to counter Virginia's new gerrymander scheme

Gov. Abigail Spanberger backs a Virginia redistricting plan that critics say uses misleading ballot language to disguise an extreme gerrymander.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Lisa558]

Rucho v. Common Cause - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

588 U.S. 684 (2019) is a landmark case of the United States Supreme Court concerning partisan gerrymandering. The Court ruled that while partisan gerrymandering may be "incompatible with democratic principles", the federal courts cannot review such allegations, as they present nonjusticiable political questions outside the jurisdiction of these courts.

The case was one of three heard in the 2018 term dealing with issues related to partisan gerrymandering used in the districting plans of states. It was combined with Rucho v. League of Women Voters of North Carolina, and its decision included the Court's judgment on Lamone v. Benisek, a partisan gerrymandering case from Maryland. The 5–4 decision, divided along ideological lines, left in place North Carolina's congressional districts, which favored the Republican Party, and Maryland's congressional districts, which favored the Democratic Party.

The issue is: it’s to be decided by the voters of the state. DID Virginia voters get their true say since the question was misleading and confusing, intended to solicit a “yes”?

Given how close the result was, is it correct to say that disenfranchising goal of the Dems would have succeeded if voters understood the question?