Will Russia Collapse in 2025?How Putin fooled Russians.

[Baron]

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Being patriotic doesn't mean to be stupid. I don't keep all eggs in one basket. And those greenbacks are not in Russian banks only.

Why do you prefer to keep your savings in dollars?
What's about Somalia shillings, North Korean wons and another cruzeiros.
Do you trust more currency of your enemies more as those of your friends?

 

[Litwin]

Some examples please.
Supposedly you're talking about some unimportant tribes in the third world

 

[ESay]

B

Being patriotic doesn't mean to be stupid. I don't keep all eggs in one basket. And those greenbacks are not in Russian banks only.

Of course not, you are smart enough to keep your money in the currency of your supposed enemy, and babble here about its demise in a year.

 

[Baron]

I don't believe Ukraine defeats Russia because it isn't the purpose of Zelensky to win.
The same is about Putin.
But the regime of Putin definitively gonna be collapsed in this or the next year.
Russian start continuously to understand they're fooled by Putin and his gang

 

[Zavulon]

Why do you prefer to keep your savings in dollars?
What's about Somalia shillings, North Korean wons and another cruzeiros.
Do you trust more currency of your enemies more as those of your friends?

I don't prefer to keep my savings in dollars. I prefer to keep them in gold and real estates. In dollars (roubles, euros, yens and yuans) I keep some operational reserves - not too much.
Right now dollar is good enough for buying things. I don't need dollars per se, I need things.
Dollar system is working, and it is good for the global trade. But while America is destroying it - it is bad, for both global trade and America, but its just little inconvenience for the world, and big inconvenience for America. And I prefer to see America as a friend, parthner or even ally, rather then enemy. Any sane person prefer it. The only question is the price of the said friendship.

As for me, America retreating from East and Central Europe, but still keeping world wide dollar system (may be after some reforms) is mutually acceptable win-win situation.

 

[Zavulon]

Of course not, you are smart enough to keep your money in the currency of your supposed enemy, and babble here about its demise in a year.

Why not? If there is a war - both pre-war dollars and roubles gone in ash anyway. If there is a mutually acceptable solution (I very doubt, but there is still a hope) resume of mutually profitable trading is good, not bad. And if there is continuity of the current situation - having some dollars for the international trade is also good.

 

[ESay]

Why not? If there is a war - both pre-war dollars and roubles gone in ash anyway. If there is a mutually acceptable solution (I very doubt, but there is still a hope) resume of mutually profitable trading is good, not bad. And if there is continuity of the current situation - having some dollars for the international trade is also good.

There is nothing bad in this at all. And when Russia finally agrees on freezing the Ukraine war and gets the economic sanctions relief, you can freely spend these dollars in Turkey or Greece or wherever you choose.

 

[Baron]

There is nothing bad in this at all. And when Russia finally agrees on freezing the Ukraine war and gets the economic sanctions relief, you can freely spend these dollars in Turkey or Greece or wherever you choose.

You're funny as always.

The war doesn't gotta frozen because it isn't purpose of Zelensky, Putin & Co
It will last for indefinite time until the last Russian or Ukrainian troop get eliminated.
Thereafter Russia (and Ukraine too) will divided and shared among nations of winners (USA, China, EU nations etc)

Putin makes it possible

 

[ESay]

You're funny as always.

The war doesn't gotta frozen because it isn't purpose of Zelensky, Putin & Co
It will last for indefinite time until the last Russian or Ukrainian troop get eliminated.
Thereafter Russia (and Ukraine too) will divided and shared among nations of winners (USA, China, EU nations etc)

Putin makes it possible

Dude, get back to your Covid fantasies. They were more entertaining.

 

[Zavulon]

There is nothing bad in this at all. And when Russia finally agrees on freezing the Ukraine war and gets the economic sanctions relief, you can freely spend these dollars in Turkey or Greece or wherever you choose.

There will be no freezing Ukrainian conflict. And no, I still can spend those dollars more or less freely.

 

[Zavulon]

You're funny as always.

The war doesn't gotta frozen because it isn't purpose of Zelensky, Putin & Co

Yep.

It will last for indefinite time until the last Russian or Ukrainian troop get eliminated.
Thereafter Russia (and Ukraine too) will divided and shared among nations of winners (USA, China, EU nations etc)

No. After last Banderlog is killed Russian lands (including Ukrainian) will be reunited.

Putin makes it possible

Its not only him, you know.

 

[ESay]

There will be no freezing Ukrainian conflict. And no, I still can spend those dollars more or less freely.

The odds of it are much higher that all that nonsense you constantly write about on here.

 

[Litwin]

I don't believe Ukraine defeats Russia

we (FREE WORLD) will defeat Moscow empire like we did in 1991. you know the drill

Stolen (by Moscow 🇷🇺 imperialists ) Siberian gas supplies to Moscow-occupied parts of Moldova and Slovakia have completely stopped.

Stolen (by Moscow imperialists ) Siberian gas supplies to Moscow-occupied parts of Moldova and Slovakia have completely stopped. Romania will take care of Moldova's gas. Everything will be okay. The scare will pass. Moldova will be pushed closer to Romania/EU-USA-Turkey and the master...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[Zavulon]

The odds of it are much higher that all that nonsense you constantly write about on here.

You are totally wrong about the odds. Freezing is unacceptable for Russia, it's unacceptable for Zelenskiy, it's almost unacceptable for the USA. Freezing is acceptable (and even desirable) for poor Tarasiks (because they do want American money but don't want to fight and die), but nobody actually cares about them.

 

[ESay]

You are totally wrong about the odds. Freezing is unacceptable for Russia, it's unacceptable for Zelenskiy, it's almost unacceptable for the USA. Freezing is acceptable (and even desirable) for poor Tarasiks (because they do want American money but don't want to fight and die), but nobody actually cares about them.

It is acceptable for the US - they can keep NATO together exploiting 'Russian threat' narratives, and sell its energy to the EU and take Russian share in it.
It is acceptable for Zelensky - (well, will be) because he won't have any choice. He most certainly will lose the power and the flow of money for personal gains, so he does everything to prolong this war, but the times are changing it seems.
It is acceptable for the Putin regime - because 'the golden elite' of various ranks can turn back to a such desirable and not-too-distant-ago usual life with boutiques and holidays and assets in the 'declining' West.
It is acceptable for 'poor Tarasiki' - who will get 'a bad peace' but peace anyway, with Russian money (300 bln of greenbacks, remember?) being used for rebuilding and social sphere. (No worries, Yurez, it is just numbers on a monitor).

For whom it is unacceptable - it is for stupid Vankas who suddenly will realize what they had fought for was a scorched land with evaporated towns and villages that would have to be rebuilt by their cost. But that is okay, Vankas can took part in that constructin process personally to reduce the costs needed.

 

[Litwin]

unacceptable for Russia,

Do you remember famous Gazprom's propaganda videos about freezing Europe?



There will be a lot of cold communists!

 

[Litwin]

Why do you prefer to keep your savings in dollars?
What's about Somalia shillings, North Korean wons and another cruzeiros.
Do you trust more currency of your enemies more as those of your friends?

What is most surprising in Moscow's manifest, vicious, and openly genocidal imperialism since 2022 is the continuing widespread sympathy for Moscow empire among many left-wing intellectuals in the West....

 

[Zavulon]

What is most surprising in Moscow's manifest, vicious, and openly genocidal imperialism since 2022 is the continuing widespread sympathy for Moscow empire among many left-wing intellectuals in the West....

First of all, Russian imperialism is not "genocidal". We don't kill people because of their genes. We kill people (and sometimes eliminate peoples and nations) who want to kill us. Russian imperialism is "self-defending".
What makes you think that "western intellectuals" (with all inner contradiction of the term) can sympathise for Ukrainian Nazies?

And Dugin's words are just plain constatation of fact. Like "Washington is America, New York is America, Los-Angeles is America, Toronto is America, Gavana is America, Mexico is Ameria". To be specific, all those cities located in America (as a geographic term).

 

[Litwin]

First of all, Russian imperialism is not "genocidal".

Ivan I dont know where to start , ok. 1.) Novgorod EU republic genocide, about 2.) The Circassian genocide (even you) had learn in your soviet imperial school, didn´t you ?

Circassian genocide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Zavulon]

It is acceptable for the US - they can keep NATO together exploiting 'Russian threat' narratives, and sell its energy to the EU and take Russian share in it.

It is not acceptable for the USA, because every day on the current level of conflict means additional risks for American population. And they won't keep NATO members together because, say, Estonia clearly understand that the local Russians can declare Narva's People Republic in any moment and America won't be able to make a shit about it.

It is acceptable for Zelensky - (well, will be) because he won't have any choice. He most certainly will lose the power and the flow of money for personal gains, so he does everything to prolong this war, but the times are changing it seems.

No. Its not acceptable for Zelenskiy because as soon as the war is eneded - he is dead. Therefore, you can't freeze the war without killing him.

It is acceptable for the Putin regime - because 'the golden elite' of various ranks can turn back to a such desirable and not-too-distant-ago usual life with boutiques and holidays and assets in the 'declining' West.

No. Putin's regime is more about earning money, not wasting them. Life of oligarchs is not "all boutiques and holidays". Its a hard work. And, talking about boutiques and holidays, China or Maldives are not worse that Europe. What is even more important, Russian Federation is about safety of Russian people. And the safety of Russian people is unachievable without elimination of Banderlog terrorists. Therefore, Russia will continue elimination of Banderlogs - in Ukraine, in Britain, in Canada, in Argentina and anywhere else.

It is acceptable for 'poor Tarasiki' - who will get 'a bad peace' but peace anyway, with Russian money (300 bln of greenbacks, remember?) being used for rebuilding and social sphere. (No worries, Yurez, it is just numbers on a monitor).

Poor Tarasiki are poor, first of all because they are stupid. Nobody will give you Russian money. Neither Russia, nor the EU, nor the USA. Poor Tarasiki will pay the debts, and the most smart of them will flee from Ukraine as soon as the borders are open.

For whom it is unacceptable - it is for stupid Vankas who suddenly will realize what they had fought for was a scorched land with evaporated towns and villages that would have to be rebuilt by their cost. But that is okay, Vankas can took part in that constructin process personally to reduce the costs needed.

Russia is a democracy (in its normal meaning). That's why Vankas will fight until decisive and profitable victory. Putin knows it, and that's why in his New Year adress he declared 2025 as "The Year of Motherland's defender". Which obviously means that Russia is starting preparations for a war, not for a ceasefire. The first song in the New Year (at the official New Year concert) was "All we need, is the victory. One for all of us, and we don't care about the price".