Will Russia Collapse in 2025?How Putin fooled Russians.

[Litwin]

 

[ESay]

Wow. You see, you are still parroting stupid Ukrainian propaganda, based on the mindset of the cheap Ukrainian prostitutes. For them yes, life of Russian oligarchs is 24/7 orgies, boutiques, resorts and all other BS. Real life is different

Not at all. Why orgies and similar stuff? Just usual things a really reach person can enjoy - villas next to the warm sea or mountains or the lakes, yachts, golf courses, gated and restricted communities in some pleasant places, private schools and colleges for their children, this sort of things. All things where their home is. In the West.

Russian army, right now, not in the city-taking business. Right now Russian Army in the Nazi-killing business. And business is going well. When all Banderlogs are dead - we'll take almost undamaged and almost unpopulated cities

Okay, but it was you who mentioned those cities. And I remember well when you, back then SilverCat and playing a fool posing as an American here, predicted that Kharkiv would fall till the end of the summer, and Odesa would do till the end of the autumn. In 2022. So far, all your predictions and narratives aren't worth a crap.

You see, there is the difference between Russian elites and Ukrainian elites. For Russian elites ordinary people are tools and weapons. They invest in them to achieve the best result. For Ukrainian elites ordinary Ukrainians are "bydlo" they sell them as cannon fodder and don't care about them afterwards.
And Putin rules Russia for 25 years not because he ignores the needs of Russian people

For Ukrainian pans and Russian boyars, their bydlo and kozly respectively are worth the same. The only difference between them is the Russian boyars have far greater recourses than Ukrainian pans for buying kozly for the war, rather than just dragging them out of the streets. That's all.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

This clip with millions of hits in han-China calls for han-China to take over Siberia, Lake Baikal, Sakhalin and other parts of Moscow empire after it

This clip with millions of hits in han-China calls for han-China to take over Siberia, Lake Baikal, Sakhalin and other parts of Moscow empire after it loses in Ukraine & falls apart. han- commie China take advantage of Moscow empire 's weakened position. Believe nothing else! Its not personal...

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This is from same people who told Biden and Zelen$ky that “Russia is a paper tiger, they use WWII T34 tanks and their officers are all drunks. They will surrender to NATO in 6 weeks!!!”

 

[Litwin]

Biden

he didn´t want to break the backbone of Moscow empire, any idea why ?

ps

 

[CrusaderFrank]

he didn´t want to break the backbone of Moscow empire, any idea why ?

ps

18 days left in the Ukrainian Money Laundering Operation

 

[Zavulon]

Not at all. Why orgies and similar stuff? Just usual things a really reach person can enjoy - villas next to the warm sea or mountains or the lakes, yachts, golf courses, gated and restricted communities in some pleasant places, private schools and colleges for their children, this sort of things. All things where their home is. In the West.

Of course, no... Home is first of all - safety, second - earning money. And home is Russia. There are a lot of warm seas, nice villas marinas for yachts and so on in the world (not only in West). And there is only one Russia (in wide meaning of the word). There are not many people feeling irrational love to West in Russia (in difference with post-Maidan Ukraine, where live for West is a part of 24/7 propaganda). If there is a choice between earning good money and wasting them in, say, Japan or Maldives, or losing money and restoring hypothetical possibility to waste them in France and Italy - ok, its much better to have money. Actually, that choice was made. Russian people earn money and have their resorts in Krasnodar, Dubai, Cuba or Maldives and stupid Ukrainians have hypothetical capability to visit Vienna.
What is even more important, rich people are often (not always, of course) are rich because they put business before pleasure. And if I have a choice - to earn for few beans some commercial real-estate in Kiev or Odessa, or to waste a holiday in Monaco instead of Macao, they choice is obvious - business first.

Okay, but it was you who mentioned those cities. And I remember well when you, back then SilverCat and playing a fool posing as an American here, predicted that Kharkiv would fall till the end of the summer, and Odesa would do till the end of the autumn. In 2022. So far, all your predictions and narratives aren't worth a crap.

Trump has very few choices now . He can:
1) de-escalate and then Russia will took Kharkov, Odessa, Kiev and even Lvov,
2) escalate - and endanger American cities.
3) try to keep situation more or less balanced with continuous flow of money and resources - and lost initiative and endanger american economy.

For Ukrainian pans and Russian boyars, their bydlo and kozly respectively are worth the same. The only difference between them is the Russian boyars have far greater recourses than Ukrainian pans for buying kozly for the war, rather than just dragging them out of the streets. That's all.

There is the difference between employing a person and enslaving him. What is even more important - rifle is a source of power. If you give weapons to people who hates you - you are creating potential problems for yourself. So, there are limits for the forced mobilisation.

 

[Zavulon]

he didn´t want to break the backbone of Moscow empire, any idea why ?

ps

Yeah. Ukraine also played with the water and energetic blockade of Crimea. And what happened then? If Moldova wants to become a second Ukraine - no problem. We can recognise independence of Transnistria and bomb Moldova, too. And yes, Transnistria has enough of coal for two months. Its not an emergency.

 

[Zavulon]

he didn´t want to break the backbone of Moscow empire, any idea why ?

ps

Two main reasons. 1) He can't. 2) Even if he could - it means unacceptable damage to the USA.

 

[ESay]

one Russia (in wide meaning of the word). There are not many people feeling irrational love to West in Russia (in difference with post-Maidan Ukraine, where live for West is a part of 24/7 propaganda). If there is a choice between earning good money and wasting them in, say, Japan or Maldives, or losing money and restoring hypothetical possibility to waste them in France and Italy - ok, its much better to have money. Actually, that choice was made. Russian people earn money and have their resorts in Krasnodar, Dubai, Cuba or Maldives and stupid Ukrainians have hypothetical capability to visit Vienna.
What is even more important, rich people are often (not always, of course) are rich because they put business before pleasure. And if I have a choice - to earn for few beans some commercial real-estate in Kiev or Odessa, or to waste a holiday in Monaco instead of Macao, they choice is obvious - business first

It is quite simple, Yurez, don't know what you can't grasp here. 'Vahta' (maybe this word will be easier for your understanding). Their visiting and living in Russia from time to time is like 'vahta' (a number of shifts done every year by a person who works in Russian North or Siberia, but lives somewhere else). They 'work' in Russia and earn their money there, but keep and spend them somewhere else. So, your word salad here has little meaning.

Trump has very few choices now . He can:
1) de-escalate and then Russia will took Kharkov, Odessa, Kiev and even Lvov,
2) escalate - and endanger American cities.
3) try to keep situation more or less balanced with continuous flow of money and resources - and lost initiative and endanger american economy

He has only one option, that he can sell to his supporters, opponents, partners, etc - freezing this war. And he will definitely try to realize that.

Your boyars will explain to their 'kozly' why it is the best choice for them. After all, this war isn't about territories, remember Yurez?

There is the difference between employing a person and enslaving him. What is even more important - rifle is a source of power. If you give weapons to people who hates you - you are creating potential problems for yourself. So, there are limits for the forced mobilisation

The main 'limit' of the forced mobilization is a rapidly growing number of soldiers who don't want to train, don't want to fight, and who are psychologically not ready for this war. Here, I should agree. The Putin regime has an advantage. They have far more of 'kozly' for this war.

 

[Zavulon]

It is quite simple, Yurez, don't know what you can't grasp here. 'Vahta' (maybe this word will be easier for your understanding). Their visiting and living in Russia from time to time is like 'vahta' (a number of shifts done every year by a person who works in Russian North or Siberia, but lives somewhere else). They 'work' in Russia and earn their money there, but keep and spend them somewhere else. So, your word salad here has little meaning.

No. They work in Russia, they live in Russia, those who really leave Russia (like Berezovskiy - are going to be hanged on their own scarves).

He has only one option, that he can sell to his supporters, opponents, partners, etc - freezing this war. And he will definitely try to realize that.

He is not Subzero or any other freaking supe to freeze something. Trump is a human being and he control (partly) only the USA.

Your boyars will explain to their 'kozly' why it is the best choice for them. After all, this war isn't about territories, remember Yurez?

Yes, its not about territories. But already Russian territories (including Kherson and Zaporozhye) must be liberated, Kievan terrorists should be eliminated, Russians should have the equal rights, and NATO's military infrastructure should be returned to 1997 borders. Without it, whatever treaties are made - they are all useless. Neither Putin, nor his boyars won't be able to stop the war.

The main 'limit' of the forced mobilization is a rapidly growing number of soldiers who don't want to train, don't want to fight, and who are psychologically not ready for this war. Here, I should agree. The Putin regime has an advantage. They have far more of 'kozly' for this war.

So, even if Trump keeps support on more or less same level, Ukraine is running out of Banderlogs in a year or two and then Russia takes Russian cities (including Kiev and Lvov) without significant damages.

 

[ESay]

No. They work in Russia, they live in Russia, those who really leave Russia (like Berezovskiy - are going to be hanged on their own scarves

Wrong. Berezovskiy was the one who brought Putin to power. He knew too much and tried to exploit that. Those who agreed to follow the rules feel themselves quite well and are relatively free in their deeds. Including earning money in Russia and keeping them in the West.

He is not Subzero or any other freaking supe to freeze something. Trump is a human being and he control (partly) only the USA

This scenario is desirable not only for Mr Subzero. But also for Europe, the Global South, and the golden elite of the Putin regime.

Yes, its not about territories. But already Russian territories (including Kherson and Zaporozhye) must be liberated, Kievan terrorists should be eliminated, Russians should have the equal rights, and NATO's military infrastructure should be returned to 1997 borders. Without it, whatever treaties are made - they are all useless. Neither Putin, nor his boyars won't be able to stop the war

Meaningless tales for Russian 'kozly'. The war will be ended as soon as the boyars are offered a good deal for them.

So, even if Trump keeps support on more or less same level, Ukraine is running out of Banderlogs in a year or two and then Russia takes Russian cities (including Kiev and Lvov) without significant damages

It won't be support 'on more or less same level'. It will be stopping the war in its active phase.

 

[Zavulon]

Wrong. Berezovskiy was the one who brought Putin to power. He knew too much and tried to exploit that. Those who agreed to follow the rules feel themselves quite well and are relatively free in their deeds. Including earning money in Russia and keeping them in the West.

Misperception and wishful thinking.

This scenario is desirable not only for Mr Subzero. But also for Europe, the Global South, and the golden elite of the Putin regime.

Simply mistake.

Meaningless tales for Russian 'kozly'. The war will be ended as soon as the boyars are offered a good deal for them.

Misperception.

It won't be support 'on more or less same level'. It will be stopping the war in its active phase.

He simply can't. He doesn't control Russia, he doesn't control Ukraine, he doesn't control the EU, and he barely controls the USA. All what he can do - is to escalate (and endanger the USA) or deescalate (and leave Ukraine).

 

[AlexanderPK]

 

[Zavulon]

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Nice song, but I very doubt that Trump will choose "deescalation". I think (and partly hope) that he will choose "escalation".

 

[Zavulon]

I wish you, that 2025 bring Freedom Justice and Safety for your new Empire

 

[ESay]

Misperception and wishful thinking.


Simply mistake.

Misperception.

Not at all. A bare reality, without Russian political shows and good songs that have nothing to do with a real life now.

He simply can't. He doesn't control Russia, he doesn't control Ukraine, he doesn't control the EU, and he barely controls the USA. All what he can do - is to escalate (and endanger the USA) or deescalate (and leave Ukraine)

There is not 'Ukraine' here, but Zelensky and his cronies; there isn't 'Russia' here, but Putin and his golden elite. It could be possible to say there isn't 'the US' either if you wish, but there is/will be the new American administration that still has a sway on more than half of international trade and energy markets. The crooks in Ukraine and Russia will be put before a choice they can't reject.

 

[Failzero]

China & the NORKs can get parts of Russia without firing shot

 

[Zavulon]

Not at all. A bare reality, without Russian political shows and good songs that have nothing to do with a real life now.

It is "reality" only in a mindset of a cheap prostitute. The West based their sanction strategy on this assumption, and you know what - it failed. Russian oligarchs survived 3 years without French boutiques and Monaco's casino's, and they can easily survive 30 years more without them.
And you are simply parroting Zelenskiy's propaganda about "peremoga".

There is not 'Ukraine' here, but Zelensky and his cronies; there isn't 'Russia' here, but Putin and his golden elite. It could be possible to say there isn't 'the US' either if you wish, but there is/will be the new American administration that still has a sway on more than half of international trade and energy markets. The crooks in Ukraine and Russia will be put before a choice they can't reject.

Really? And what is this choice? As far as I know there is no ultimatum that we can't reject, even if Trump is ready to escalate to the level of all-out nuclear war (and as far as I know - he is not ready).

 

[Zavulon]

China & the NORKs can get parts of Russia without firing shot

Really? But can they survive after that? And why shoud they? Taiwan is much more valuable for them then a piece of taiga.

 

[ESay]

It is "reality" only in a mindset of a cheap prostitute. The West based their sanction strategy on this assumption, and you know what - it failed. Russian oligarchs survived 3 years without French boutiques and Monaco's casino's, and they can easily survive 30 years more without them.
And you are simply parroting Zelenskiy's propaganda about "peremoga

Wrong. The vast majority of them can still enjoy these pleasant things, and they obviously do. Maybe only the top of the most famous of them had to change that on Dubai.

Really? And what is this choice? As far as I know there is no ultimatum that we can't reject, even if Trump is ready to escalate to the level of all-out nuclear war (and as far as I know - he is not ready

We? There isn't 'we' in this equation, but there is 'you' - the kozly, and 'they' - the golden elite. Try to comprehend this simple reality and maybe then you will stop pushing these silly childish narratives.

How can Trump persuade 'them'? Start freezing (again this word) not only Russian 'state' assets, but personal assets of the elite; start enforcing a real price cap on Russian oil at the level of say 40 bucks per barrel. In other words, begin direct targeting of what they value the most - 'their' wallets.