Wikileak'd video shows eager-to-kill troops firing on Reuters reporters and children

[CurveLight]

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, is he?

Hmmmmm.....

"The Defense Department can't locate its copy of the video of a July 2007 air strike that killed two Reuters employees in Iraq, a military official told The Associated Press."
Http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/military-cant-find-its-video-showing-newsmens-deaths/19429850


I looked for an update and couldn't find any so is the DOD still claiming they can't find the video?

I don't doubt that they lack an extensive and organized library of all footage ever shot in case something pops up a few years later or something.

This shooting was investigated so yes it should be archived in those files.

 

[CurveLight]

It has nothing to do with the sighting system. I've already explained this to you. You can keep trying to back-peddle if you want, you're statement is further evidence that, despite your time in uniform, you don't really have a clear idea of what happened here and why.

Of course, it he helicopter pilots did what you wanted them to do and fired warning shots and a child was inadvertently hurt because you can't predict with 100% accuracy where the shell is going to land and what the fragments are going to do, you'd be bitching about that too.

At over 10 rounds per second, it's impossible for the Apache to be accurate and fire a round over someone's head like Curvie wants them to do.

So it's pretty much a Vulcan gun? Couple thousand huge-ass rounds before you hear the gun on the ground?

Yes it can do that but as I've shown it can also fire warning shots due to the optical sight in the helmet. Where the pilot looks is where it shoots.

 

[CurveLight]

Thats not the full video either. The full video goes on for over an hour. But the parts that didn't portray our soldiers as bloodthirsty goons were cut.

The video could be six hours long have footage of US soldiers doing charity work before this incident and it wouldn't matter these fuckers.

Charity work six hours earlier would have nothing to do with the events in question. So no, it doesn't matter anymore than what they did the week before. Unless you're saying that six hours before, they encountered these individuals or some other event occured that's actually relevant, you can stop running your mouth.


Again, I don't care about the first time shots were fired. Right or wrong, they appear to have believed the men posed a threat to ground troops.


Now back to the van...

I agree that is a salient point being ignored. Once the crazy horses opened fired they did not receive any return fire and neither did the ground unit so a civilian van showing up to pick up the wounded posed no threat. They had no reason to keep firing.

 

[Tom Clancy]

And right now, im finishing up shcool, getting a few extra credits, and then I'm taking a Sabbatical while attending a Community College, then next year I'll either be at Eastern Carolina University, or North Carolina State.

Both of them have very good ROTC programs..

After 4 years of ROTC, i'll be signing up for Army, And my 2 MOS Choices right now are Aviation (Flying AH-64's, UH-60, etc.) Or Become a Infantry Officer.. Still deciding though.. You Recommend anything?

I am always hesitant to make recommendations. Do what you think you'll enjoy.

I thought being an Infantry Officer was the best job in the Army, but I am probably biased. I lucked out in that I always had exceptional commanders. Of course, you throw that dice no matter what branch. I do think the combat arms has the best leadership and soldiers.

I see.. Well, I'm asking for recommendations to people who have previous Experience.. you know, how it was when you were a Officer etc..

All i know is that Aviation takes around 16-18 months to complete and get sent out.

I don't know if i want to wait that long before i get shipped out..

But then again, i have around 4 1/2 years left to think about what MOS I really want..

I'm guessing they teach you about those Officer MOS's in ROTC?

 

[geauxtohell]

Oh yeah, the Apache only fires explosive founds. Either DU or HE.

DU's considered an explosive armament? I thought it fell under armor-piercing?

I think DU is so dense that it confers enough energy upon impact to make and explosion. I think that's how sabot rounds function to knock out tanks. I could be wrong about that though. I never dealt with DU rounds.

 

[geauxtohell]

Lol...not sure what's funnier....that you would ignore the type of sight system or that you try to behind a typo by that website. Here's a different link *****.

Http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/man/uswpns/air/attack/ah64_apache.html

Hey retard, nothing in your links even hints that the m230 can be used in a way in which you describe.

Keep backpedaling

My bad. Forgot I'm dealing with kids who need their hands held.

"As the pilots waited for clearance, an overweight male emerged from a building, making hand signals in the direction of the British troops.

Widow 79 gave the clearance to attack. The Apaches prepared to fire warning shots. From the underside of Ugly Five Zero, the 30mm cannon barked, and its spent shell casings rained down below. There was a couple of seconds ’ delay, and then the rounds tore into the hard-beaten surface of the dirt track in front of the compound. The figures inside didn’t seem to so much as flinch.
A second warning burst was fired, this time much closer."
Http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1044410/Britains-4-billion-Killing-Machine.html

Yes. The British Army = The American Army.

Excellent point.

 

[geauxtohell]

has anyone said what transpired to make the van seem like a threat?

Per the 15-6 it was legitimate engagement because it was perceived as trying to remove weapons from the scene.

 

[geauxtohell]

And right now, im finishing up shcool, getting a few extra credits, and then I'm taking a Sabbatical while attending a Community College, then next year I'll either be at Eastern Carolina University, or North Carolina State.

Both of them have very good ROTC programs..

After 4 years of ROTC, i'll be signing up for Army, And my 2 MOS Choices right now are Aviation (Flying AH-64's, UH-60, etc.) Or Become a Infantry Officer.. Still deciding though.. You Recommend anything?

I am always hesitant to make recommendations. Do what you think you'll enjoy.

I thought being an Infantry Officer was the best job in the Army, but I am probably biased. I lucked out in that I always had exceptional commanders. Of course, you throw that dice no matter what branch. I do think the combat arms has the best leadership and soldiers.

I see.. Well, I'm asking for recommendations to people who have previous Experience.. you know, how it was when you were a Officer etc..

All i know is that Aviation takes around 16-18 months to complete and get sent out.

I don't know if i want to wait that long before i get shipped out..

But then again, i have around 4 1/2 years left to think about what MOS I really want..

I'm guessing they teach you about those Officer MOS's in ROTC?

Yeah, you should get exposure to all of the branches. Just don't make the mistake that a lot of ROTC cadets make and interpret the infantry tactics and experiences you have as an ROTC student with life in an actual infantry unit. It's much different.

Must less stupidity.

 

[Tom Clancy]

I am always hesitant to make recommendations. Do what you think you'll enjoy.

I thought being an Infantry Officer was the best job in the Army, but I am probably biased. I lucked out in that I always had exceptional commanders. Of course, you throw that dice no matter what branch. I do think the combat arms has the best leadership and soldiers.

I see.. Well, I'm asking for recommendations to people who have previous Experience.. you know, how it was when you were a Officer etc..

All i know is that Aviation takes around 16-18 months to complete and get sent out.

I don't know if i want to wait that long before i get shipped out..

But then again, i have around 4 1/2 years left to think about what MOS I really want..

I'm guessing they teach you about those Officer MOS's in ROTC?

Yeah, you should get exposure to all of the branches. Just don't make the mistake that a lot of ROTC cadets make and interpret the infantry tactics and experiences you have as an ROTC student with life in an actual infantry unit. It's much different.

Must less stupidity.

Different how?

 

[SFC Ollie]

Just read one of the Official Summary Reports of the incident.

There is no crime no foul. The Helicopters were in support of Infantry units which had recently received fire from AKs and RPGs. The guy who crouched at the corner of the building was facing a HMVEE only about a block away.

Good Job Gentlemen continue on to next mission.

http://www2.centcom.mil/sites/foia/...Air Cavalry Brigade AR 15-6 Investigation.pdf

 

[geauxtohell]

I see.. Well, I'm asking for recommendations to people who have previous Experience.. you know, how it was when you were a Officer etc..

All i know is that Aviation takes around 16-18 months to complete and get sent out.

I don't know if i want to wait that long before i get shipped out..

But then again, i have around 4 1/2 years left to think about what MOS I really want..

I'm guessing they teach you about those Officer MOS's in ROTC?

Yeah, you should get exposure to all of the branches. Just don't make the mistake that a lot of ROTC cadets make and interpret the infantry tactics and experiences you have as an ROTC student with life in an actual infantry unit. It's much different.

Must less stupidity.

Different how?

All of you leadership evaluations and training in ROTC land is based on leading infantry small unit missions (ambush, recon, react to contact, etc). Your ROTC instructors are going to come from a lot of different branches and backgrounds and there is just a lot of stupidity in ROTC land in the field that is not going to be the norm in an actual infantry unit when you are dealing with professionals and an infantry unit.

A lot of people assume because they spent their time in ROTC-land doing a lot of hokey and idiotic stuff that some Quartermaster Corps officer dreamed up for an FTX, that that is what it's like to be in an infantry unit.

It's a lot different.

 

[CurveLight]

Hey retard, nothing in your links even hints that the m230 can be used in a way in which you describe.

Keep backpedaling

My bad. Forgot I'm dealing with kids who need their hands held.

"As the pilots waited for clearance, an overweight male emerged from a building, making hand signals in the direction of the British troops.

Widow 79 gave the clearance to attack. The Apaches prepared to fire warning shots. From the underside of Ugly Five Zero, the 30mm cannon barked, and its spent shell casings rained down below. There was a couple of seconds ’ delay, and then the rounds tore into the hard-beaten surface of the dirt track in front of the compound. The figures inside didn’t seem to so much as flinch.
A second warning burst was fired, this time much closer."
Http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1044410/Britains-4-billion-Killing-Machine.html

Yes. The British Army = The American Army.

Excellent point.

Apache 30mm=Apache 30mm.

Or are you implying British pilots are superior to American pilots therefore they have the ability to fire warning shots but our pilots do not?

Or are you desperately searching any laughable means of ignoring the fact the Apache
can fire warning shots? This is why you are pure *****.

 

[Samson]

My bad. Forgot I'm dealing with kids who need their hands held.

"As the pilots waited for clearance, an overweight male emerged from a building, making hand signals in the direction of the British troops.

Widow 79 gave the clearance to attack. The Apaches prepared to fire warning shots. From the underside of Ugly Five Zero, the 30mm cannon barked, and its spent shell casings rained down below. There was a couple of seconds ’ delay, and then the rounds tore into the hard-beaten surface of the dirt track in front of the compound. The figures inside didn’t seem to so much as flinch.
A second warning burst was fired, this time much closer."
Http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1044410/Britains-4-billion-Killing-Machine.html

Yes. The British Army = The American Army.

Excellent point.

Apache 30mm=Apache 30mm.

Or are you implying British pilots are superior to American pilots therefore they have the ability to fire warning shots but our pilots do not?

Or are you desperately searching any laughable means of ignoring the fact the Apache
can fire warning shots? This is why you are pure *****.

You are wrong.

 

[geauxtohell]

Apache 30mm=Apache 30mm.

Or are you implying British pilots are superior to American pilots therefore they have the ability to fire warning shots but our pilots do not?

Or are you desperately searching any laughable means of ignoring the fact the Apache
can fire warning shots? This is why you are pure *****.

I am not implying anything. The point, which was obvious, is that different nations have different doctrines. Even then, I'd be surprised if it's doctrinally correct in the British Army to use the Apache main gun to fire "warning shots". Just because someone did it doesn't mean it was an accepted practice.

All of which misses the larger point. These pilots had no intent to "warn" these guys. They planned to destroy them, because their assessment was that these guys were going to set up on the infantry unit.

You can toss out names and insults all you want on here, you've been so thoroughly discredited that I am only surprised that you think anyone cares what your opinion is.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Why in hell would anyone want to fire a warning shot at people who appear to be preparing an ambush for advancing ground troops. Want to even up the odds by allowing them to get under cover?

Some people make no sense.

 

[Liability]

Oh yeah, the Apache only fires explosive founds. Either DU or HE.

DU's considered an explosive armament? I thought it fell under armor-piercing?

I think DU is so dense that it confers enough energy upon impact to make and explosion. I think that's how sabot rounds function to knock out tanks. I could be wrong about that though. I never dealt with DU rounds.

I always thought its weight made it armor piercing (like anti-tank) shells. But I just discovered it can also serve as part of the armor to make penetration of tanks MORE difficult! Here's a fairly complete synopsis. I'm not a scientist, so I can't verify this piece in most respects, but it should serve as a good point of departure at least:

Depleted uranium ammunition is a very recent advancement in military weapons use

 

[geauxtohell]

Why in hell would anyone want to fire a warning shot at people who appear to be preparing an ambush for advancing ground troops. Want to even up the odds by allowing them to get under cover?

Some people make no sense.

They wouldn't. I was just pointing out that, the fact that the pilots assessed these guys to be hostile aside, CL's "alternate plan" is stupid.

 

[geauxtohell]

DU's considered an explosive armament? I thought it fell under armor-piercing?

I think DU is so dense that it confers enough energy upon impact to make and explosion. I think that's how sabot rounds function to knock out tanks. I could be wrong about that though. I never dealt with DU rounds.

I always thought its weight made it armor piercing (like anti-tank) shells. But I just discovered it can also serve as part of the armor to make penetration of tanks MORE difficult! Here's a fairly complete synopsis. I'm not a scientist, so I can't verify this piece in most respects, but it should serve as a good point of departure at least:

Depleted uranium ammunition is a very recent advancement in military weapons use

This is what I was referring too:

DU also easily burns, just like magnesium, upon penetration, adding to the effectiveness of the ammo as an armor piercing device.14c When the projectile cuts through the armor, the DU penetrator and parts of the tank get so hot that it literally vaporizes. Anywhere from 18-70% of the DU usually oxidizes (depending on type of impact).

A DU round imparts so much kinetic energy upon impact that there is some sort of explosion. That being said, I am not sure if the Apaches were fire DU or HE (high explosive) rounds.

Whatever they were firing, there was some sort of explosion upon impact.

 

[CurveLight]

Apache 30mm=Apache 30mm.

Or are you implying British pilots are superior to American pilots therefore they have the ability to fire warning shots but our pilots do not?

Or are you desperately searching any laughable means of ignoring the fact the Apache
can fire warning shots? This is why you are pure *****.

I am not implying anything. The point, which was obvious, is that different nations have different doctrines. Even then, I'd be surprised if it's doctrinally correct in the British Army to use the Apache main gun to fire "warning shots". Just because someone did it doesn't mean it was an accepted practice.

All of which misses the larger point. These pilots had no intent to "warn" these guys. They planned to destroy them, because their assessment was that these guys were going to set up on the infantry unit.

You can toss out names and insults all you want on here, you've been so thoroughly discredited that I am only surprised that you think anyone cares what your opinion is.

I've been discredited? You whiny ****. You laughed when I said they could have fired warning shots because you didn't think that could be done with the apache. Then you try to ignore a link with a typo that said the gun was a 33mm when I said it is a 30mm. Then you miss the point of my last link.....which was to show warning shots couple be fired from the apache.

You bitches are pure *****. Period. When the facts are in your face you ignore them. I'm calling you names because you deserve it for your cowardice, hypocrisy, and arrogance. The civilians made no threatening moves and after the apache fired nobody shot at the apaches or the ground unit but you keep on ignoring those facts you useless fuxxing ****.

 

[SFC Ollie]

DU's considered an explosive armament? I thought it fell under armor-piercing?

I think DU is so dense that it confers enough energy upon impact to make and explosion. I think that's how sabot rounds function to knock out tanks. I could be wrong about that though. I never dealt with DU rounds.

I always thought its weight made it armor piercing (like anti-tank) shells. But I just discovered it can also serve as part of the armor to make penetration of tanks MORE difficult! Here's a fairly complete synopsis. I'm not a scientist, so I can't verify this piece in most respects, but it should serve as a good point of departure at least:

Depleted uranium ammunition is a very recent advancement in military weapons use

that is why I laugh at those who claim DU is so dangerous, when we use it as a layer of our own armor.