Wikileak'd video shows eager-to-kill troops firing on Reuters reporters and children

[CurveLight]

So you hope to avoid the fact you have not provided any evidence of this phantom video

Don't know how to read, huh?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/milit...rs-reporters-and-children-15.html#post2197480

Rotfl! You got a real source?

 

[RadiomanATL]

So you hope to avoid the fact you have not provided any evidence of this phantom video

Don't know how to read, huh?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/milit...rs-reporters-and-children-15.html#post2197480

Rotfl! You got a real source?

Still embarrassed you can't read, huh?

Here ya go:

 

[Liability]

Yep. Just reiterating that they are there and that those us that have actually done this for a living can see it.

what kind of a moron thinks evil is assigned to one half of the world

Who the **** said ANYTHING about evil being assigned to half the world?

You are stupider and crazier and more of an outright liar than usual tonight, you shitforbrains lying Troofer *****.

What I DID say, you ***** lying filthy scumbag piece of rat shit, is that nothing will or could ever convince shit-suckers like you and bent tight that WE are not the evil force in today's world.

who is WE .... moron ...so evil is assigned to us and them ?

Good God in heaven, you are retarded. We are the guys on our side, you ******* id-eot.

And no. Evil is NOT assigned to us and them. I am merely denying the implicit claim of shit fuckers like you, you scumbag, that WE are evil.

We aren't now and have never been.

Scumbags like you revel in pointing out that we have been in the wrong, from time to time, in the past. No shit, asshole. Everyone is. It's the human condition. But the fact is that overall, we are a factor for good in this world and have long been such a factor and have tried to be such a factor. We aim to be in the right.

Denying that WE are the evil force in the world, you scumbag lying piece of shit, is NOT the same as contending that anybody else is. As a matter of fact, though, to clear things up for your little retarded mind, there ARE some evil ***** out there in the real world. We just happen not to fit in that category. And nobody (other than you, you lying shithead) ever discussed it as a half vs half thing.

You seriously are a stupid ******. And you are also a compulsive liar. **** yourself, id-eots.

 

[geauxtohell]

The $64K question.

With a follow up: do you think all the munitions you loaded your Cobras up with magically only hit Iraqi soldiers?

Christ, in Gulf War I there was even less concern for collateral damage then we have now.

It's a strawman you dumfuk. Keep embarrassing yourself.

Yeah, you got nothing. Just like I suspected. Thanks for playing.

Did you see the post where CL, with his advanced knowledge of helicopter armament, stated they pilots should have fired "warning shots" with an area-kill weapon (Apache main gun)?

If you are going to Monday morning quarterback the event, at least call legit plays.

 

[CurveLight]

How does a Crew Chief get in a situation to know the armaments on our attack helicopters? The scary part is you are probably serious.

That's not what you said, boss. You said you had directly been in situations similar to this.

A curious statement for a helicopter ground's crewman to make.

Why not just be honest. You have never been in a "situation like this" have you?

Holy fuk you are pathetic. It's been amusing watching you punks work yourselves into a frenzy when you think you have a "Gotcha!" try to pay attention.

I said the pilots could have popped off a couple of warning rounds and you responded by saying they couldn't do that because the apache gun is an area kill weapon so I responded by pointing out you obviously don't know the sight system.

Somehow some way you and crimsonbitch get it in your head I claimed I was in the pilot's position then celebrate your "Gotcha!" but it's a strawman as I never said that. What I did say is I was in similar situations from the ground:

Post 116:

"We had situations where we would be approached by civilians on the ground and we still could not fire without threat confirmation. Most of the time the people were just hungry and thirsty so we gave them MREs and water."

Now you punks will add to the amusement factor by denying your fuk up.

 

[RadiomanATL]

It's a strawman you dumfuk. Keep embarrassing yourself.

Yeah, you got nothing. Just like I suspected. Thanks for playing.

Did you see the post where CL, with his advanced knowledge of helicopter armament, stated they pilots should have fired "warning shots" with an area-kill weapon (Apache main gun)?

Rare photo of Curvie in the military:

http://thepriorart.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/dont_worry_sir_i_m_from_the_internet.jpg

 

[RadiomanATL]

but it's a strawman as I never said that.

Hey Geaux,

Toldja!

 

[CurveLight]

Lol....you've never proven the video you were referencing existed (just like radioass) but here you get indignant and I noticed you didn't ask him for a link to prove his claim. Got hypocrisy?

That is because he provided a link proving that 30 minutes was missing from the 39 minute video that you posted.

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, is he?

Hmmmmm.....

"The Defense Department can't locate its copy of the video of a July 2007 air strike that killed two Reuters employees in Iraq, a military official told The Associated Press."
Http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/military-cant-find-its-video-showing-newsmens-deaths/19429850


I looked for an update and couldn't find any so is the DOD still claiming they can't find the video?

 

[RadiomanATL]

The ground unit was in no immediate danger so the pilots could have popped off a couple of warning rounds and watched the reaction. That isn't MMQing, it's common fuxxing sense for any of us who have been in that type of situation.

You said you had directly been in situations similar to this.

A curious statement for a helicopter ground's crewman to make.

Why not just be honest. You have never been in a "situation like this" have you?

He's going to say he never said that.

but it's a strawman as I never said that.

LOL.


Pwned!!

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[geauxtohell]

Holy fuk you are pathetic. It's been amusing watching you punks work yourselves into a frenzy when you think you have a "Gotcha!" try to pay attention.

I said the pilots could have popped off a couple of warning rounds and you responded by saying they couldn't do that because the apache gun is an area kill weapon so I responded by pointing out you obviously don't know the sight system.

You're not getting it smart guy. You don't fire "warning shots" with an area kill weapon. You do it with point kill weapons. You don't use an area kill weapon to fire warning shots because you can't be completely precise about where the round is going to land and the damage it's going to do. It's not evenly remotely doctrinally correct (which still ignores the fact that these pilots didn't want to send a "warning shot" to an element they perceived to be about to attack American forces).

It's great that you are familiar with the ins and outs of keeping helicopters up and going. You know jack and shit about tactical operations on the ground. That includes what your helicopters did/do when they are flying in support of infantry.

Somehow some way you and crimsonbitch get it in your head I claimed I was in the pilot's position then celebrate your "Gotcha!" but it's a strawman as I never said that. What I did say is I was in similar situations from the ground:

Post 116:

"We had situations where we would be approached by civilians on the ground and we still could not fire without threat confirmation. Most of the time the people were just hungry and thirsty so we gave them MREs and water."

Now you punks will add to the amusement factor by denying your fuk up.

That is in no-way a similar situation to this. Why in the **** would you even consider firing on civilians who were of no threat and wanted food and water?

Dealing with civilians in the combat zone doesn't even come close to being analogous to this situation, and you know it.

BTW, you can find the port-hole to the official 15-6 here:

Wings Over Iraq: I lied, final thoughts on the Apache video (for the morning)

It's hard to get on the centcom site because of traffic. However, in the 15-6 the fact pattern mentions that Bushmaster had been in contact when the Apaches checked onto station.

 

[CurveLight]

It's a strawman you dumfuk. Keep embarrassing yourself.

Yeah, you got nothing. Just like I suspected. Thanks for playing.

Did you see the post where CL, with his advanced knowledge of helicopter armament, stated they pilots should have fired "warning shots" with an area-kill weapon (Apache main gun)?

If you are going to Monday morning quarterback the event, at least call legit plays.

Keep proving your ignorance......or do something totally different and learn about the eyepiece sight system for the 30mm.

Http://www.warfare.ru/?linkid=2032&catid=260

 

[RadiomanATL]

Yeah, you got nothing. Just like I suspected. Thanks for playing.

Did you see the post where CL, with his advanced knowledge of helicopter armament, stated they pilots should have fired "warning shots" with an area-kill weapon (Apache main gun)?

If you are going to Monday morning quarterback the event, at least call legit plays.

Keep proving your ignorance......or do something totally different and learn about the eyepiece sight system for the 30mm.

Http://www.warfare.ru/?linkid=2032&catid=260

From your link:

Armament: M230 33mm gun

Retard.

If your going to post a link to try and prove your assertion, don't post a link with such a glaring factual error.

 

[geauxtohell]

Yeah, you got nothing. Just like I suspected. Thanks for playing.

Did you see the post where CL, with his advanced knowledge of helicopter armament, stated they pilots should have fired "warning shots" with an area-kill weapon (Apache main gun)?

If you are going to Monday morning quarterback the event, at least call legit plays.

Keep proving your ignorance......or do something totally different and learn about the eyepiece sight system for the 30mm.

Http://www.warfare.ru/?linkid=2032&catid=260

It has nothing to do with the sighting system. I've already explained this to you. You can keep trying to back-peddle if you want, you're statement is further evidence that, despite your time in uniform, you don't really have a clear idea of what happened here and why.

Of course, it he helicopter pilots did what you wanted them to do and fired warning shots and a child was inadvertently hurt because you can't predict with 100% accuracy where the shell is going to land and what the fragments are going to do, you'd be bitching about that too.

Oh yeah, the Apache only fires explosive founds. Either DU or HE.

Maybe they could have just thrown a "warning grenade" instead?

 

[CurveLight]

The ground unit was in no immediate danger so the pilots could have popped off a couple of warning rounds and watched the reaction. That isn't MMQing, it's common fuxxing sense for any of us who have been in that type of situation.

You said you had directly been in situations similar to this.

A curious statement for a helicopter ground's crewman to make.

Why not just be honest. You have never been in a "situation like this" have you?

He's going to say he never said that.

but it's a strawman as I never said that.

LOL.


Pwned!!

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Good grief you are fuxxing stoopid. I already pointed out what I said in post 116 about being on the ground. Or do you think you can only pop off warning rounds from the air? Do you think it's possible to pop off warning shots from the ground? Do you think that has ever happened? Since I already stated my experience was with similar situations on the ground I didn't think I needed to repeat it but obviously I'm dealing with bitches who don't know how to be honest.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Did you see the post where CL, with his advanced knowledge of helicopter armament, stated they pilots should have fired "warning shots" with an area-kill weapon (Apache main gun)?

If you are going to Monday morning quarterback the event, at least call legit plays.

Keep proving your ignorance......or do something totally different and learn about the eyepiece sight system for the 30mm.

Http://www.warfare.ru/?linkid=2032&catid=260

It has nothing to do with the sighting system. I've already explained this to you. You can keep trying to back-peddle if you want, you're statement is further evidence that, despite your time in uniform, you don't really have a clear idea of what happened here and why.

Of course, it he helicopter pilots did what you wanted them to do and fired warning shots and a child was inadvertently hurt because you can't predict with 100% accuracy where the shell is going to land and what the fragments are going to do, you'd be bitching about that too.

At over 10 rounds per second, it's impossible for the Apache to be accurate and fire a round over someone's head like Curvie wants them to do.

 

[RadiomanATL]

The ground unit was in no immediate danger so the pilots could have popped off a couple of warning rounds and watched the reaction. That isn't MMQing, it's common fuxxing sense for any of us who have been in that type of situation.

but it's a strawman as I never said that.

LOL.


Pwned!!

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Good grief you are fuxxing stoopid. I already pointed out what I said in post 116 about being on the ground. Or do you think you can only pop off warning rounds from the air? Do you think it's possible to pop off warning shots from the ground? Do you think that has ever happened? Since I already stated my experience was with similar situations on the ground I didn't think I needed to repeat it but obviously I'm dealing with bitches who don't know how to be honest.

Keep backpedaling curvie

The quotes have been provided. You lose.

 

[CrimsonWhite]

The ground unit was in no immediate danger so the pilots could have popped off a couple of warning rounds and watched the reaction. That isn't MMQing, it's common fuxxing sense for any of us who have been in that type of situation.

but it's a strawman as I never said that.

LOL.


Pwned!!

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Good grief you are fuxxing stoopid. I already pointed out what I said in post 116 about being on the ground. Or do you think you can only pop off warning rounds from the air? Do you think it's possible to pop off warning shots from the ground? Do you think that has ever happened? Since I already stated my experience was with similar situations on the ground I didn't think I needed to repeat it but obviously I'm dealing with bitches who don't know how to be honest.

So were ground crew and you have been in these types of situations? You want to fire warning shots with a 30MM cannon? And you call us stupid?

 

[geauxtohell]

So were ground crew and you have been in these types of situations? You want to fire warning shots with a 30MM cannon? And you call us stupid?

Clearly we don't know what the **** we are talking about.

I don't know about you, but I always used my 240Bs and MK-19s to fire warning shots

 

[germanguy]

Hi there ....

interesting, what I see is a highly sophisticated debate about tactics, armor, doctrine etc. but nothing what really should interest us:
WTF are the Yanks doing there ? This is a gunship and by definition they are designed and equipped for a different purpose.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the Apache was not constructed to mow down insurgents, but APCs and stuff like that.
So, you have an army in a suburban surrounding, trained and equipped for a battle on a battlefield against a trained army. Add to this frustration, anger, fear etc. and the outcome is foreseeable and can be watched on this video. Man, you are using very big sticks in a suburban area.
Are there only insurgents living in an area like this ? Where are the normal Iraquis ?
What would you think if a gunship would open fire in your neighbourhood ?

Do you think by stunts like that they will forever be thankful to be gotten rid of SAddam ?

Aain:
What it shows or what it not shows is not the point.
If you bring heavy weapons into the area, you have a result like that.

The Brits in Northern Ireland have been clever by not bringing heavy weapons into the "Troubles".
By that they saved civilian lifes and this is what counterinsurgency should be about.
If the civilians fear more to get killed by terrorists than by US troops, than you might have a chance to dry this out.
But videos like that and the following debate I see here leave me head-scratching if the Americans are out of their mind.

To put it frankly:
I have not understood what for you have started this war, for what reason you have lead it the way you did and what the final outcome will be.

But that´s perhaps only me...

kind regards
ze germanguy

 

[geauxtohell]

At over 10 rounds per second, it's impossible for the Apache to be accurate and fire a round over someone's head like Curvie wants them to do.

Yeah, that's what I mean about "area kill" weapon. I didn't make the term up. It's a doctrine thing. As you saw, when the helicopter fired, it pretty much bracketed the ground. The pilots know approximately where the rounds were going to land, but he didn't know exactly where.

To compound the matter, as you saw, the rounds Apaches fire explode on contact.

I couldn't think of a worse weapon to fire "warning shots" with.

All this ignores the larger issue. The pilots wanted to kill the guys on the ground.