Why Would We Go to War with Iran?

[HikerGuy83]

Anyone attacking Iran has to be an idiot since drones capable or assassinating anyone are very cheap and easy to come by.
Anyone who tries to attack Iran will have a run in with a drone soon after.

It's funny, you using the word "drone".

 

[Rigby5]

I've an alternate theory ....
Trump could care less on the "Revenge Scenario" you propose.
Trump is for a neutralize Iranian threats scenario ....

Iran was never a threat.
We are the bad guys who massacred tens of thousands to install the Shah as dictator in 1953.
Read up on Operation Ajax.

 

[HikerGuy83]

There are plenty of other countries in the ME that would allow us to use their land to launch a massive bombing campaign against the jerk-wad nation of Iran.

 

[Rigby5]

If we go to war, it starts with massive bombing....none of this nickle and dime crap.

We learned that in Vietnam.

While they survived the bombing in Hanoi for a long time, once Nixon got ugly and really cut the AF loose, they came to the table in a hurry.

Referencing Operation Linebacker II:

However, the bombings achieved two effects. First the bombing raids destroyed military targets and curtailed North Vietnam's operations in South Vietnam. Next, the bombings took their psychological toll on individuals in Hanoi. Years later Mark Clodfelter would write in his book, The Limits of Airpower, "Individuals remaining in Hanoi received only an hour or two of sleep a night, their nerves strained by the continual attacks." He continued, "In eleven days aircraft dropped 13 percent of the tonnage delivered during the five months of Linebacker I."

After 11 nights of sustained heavy bombardment, Operation Linebacker II brought the North Vietnamese to the negotiation table. The North Vietnamese had run out of SAMs, and through continued air attacks the B-52 crews had helped to destroy the enemy's air defense system. With no end in sight, the North Vietnamese signaled that they wished to return to the Peace Talks in Paris. President Nixon ordered that the B-52s stand down and 29 days later on Jan. 27, 1973, a cease fire agreement ending the Vietnam War was signed. Operation Homecoming began Feb. 12, 1973, with the eventual release and return of 591 American prisoners of war.

Totally wrong.
North Vietnam never reduced their attacks on the south at all, and eventually won.
That was because they were in the right and we were wrong.
All Nixon did was cave.
Operation Linebacker II was a total and complete failure.

 

[Rigby5]

And who has no problem supporting terrorism.

And who is being egged on by Russia to do their dirty work.

The only real "terrorist" is the US.
What do you call it when the US illegally destroys the democracy in Iran in 1953?
What do you call it when the US illegally prevents the plebiscite in Vietnam and installs Diem as dictator?
What do you all it when the US gives Saddam permission to invade Kuwait, and they blows up everyone on the Highway of Death?
What do you call it when we lie about WMD so we can invade Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, the Ukraine, Palestine, etc.?

 

[Rigby5]

I nominate this for stupid statement of the century.

Wrong.
{...
"When someone chants, 'Yes, certainly, death to America,' we should take him at his word, and we shouldn't put him on the path to a nuclear bomb," Senator Tom Cotton (R-Ark), a leading opponent of the agreement, said about Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei.

But Iranians have a different interpretation of the slogan.

"Death to America" expresses the anger many Iranians feel about US policy toward Iran, according to Foad Izadi, an assistant professor in the Faculty of World Studies at the University of Tehran. Iranians well remember that the US overthrew the legitimate government of Mohammad Mossadegh in 1953 and supported the dictatorial Shah who followed.

The slogan "means death to American foreign policy," said Izadi. Iranians "have problems with the American government, not the American people." In fact, he says, Iranians are famously friendly to Americans. "When you walk around town, and people see you're an American, everyone wants to take care of you."
...}
What Does 'Death to America' Really Mean?

Remember that they do not speak English.
Their chant is symbolic, not literal.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Totally wrong.
North Vietnam never reduced their attacks on the south at all, and eventually won.
That was because they were in the right and we were wrong.
All Nixon did was cave.
Operation Linebacker II was a total and complete failure.

Given that we know you don't know history or get it from a CrackerJax box, we'll take this in context.

Linebacker II was designed to bring Hanoi back to the negotiating table.

And it did. Total success.

The North did reduce their activity, until we left and the lilly-livers on the left would not support the south.

Please don't attempt to tell me who was right and who was wrong. There is no such thing in these situations.

You only reveal yourself to be the chile you are.

Nixon wanted out, negotiations collapsed, he bombed them into oblivion.

From a military standpoint, Linebacker II was highly successful. In the face of some of the heaviest air defenses in history, selected targets had been destroyed with loss rates less than anticipated.37 Use of the all-weather capabilities of the B-52, F-l11, and other TACAIR had been justified in that there had been only 2½ days of weather permitting visual bomb delivery. But Linebacker II was notable from a political standpoint as well. "[The] object [of war] is to cause the other State to desist from the action or abandon the claim which is the cause of offense. In other words, a war is fought in order to bring about a change of mind in another State."38 The influence of Linebacker II on the North Vietnamese willingness to continue the war has been commented on at two levels. U.S. prisoners of war have attested to the reaction at the ground level in the reversal of attitude of their captors.39 One member of the U.S. delegation to the Paris peace talks related that "Prior to Linebacker II, the North Vietnamese were intransigent, buying time, refusing even to discuss a formal meeting schedule After Linebacker II, they were shaken, demoralized, anxious to talk about anything. The finally realized they were at war with a superpower. If there was bewilderment, it was with our reluctance to use that power earlier."40

Linebacker and the Law of War

 

[AZrailwhale]

After we killed Qaddafi, Great Satan is an understatement

We didn’t kill Quaddafi, his own citizens did, much like Italians killed Benito Mussolini.

 

[Rigby5]

You will be gone long before they are.

Wrong.
The whole world has turned against Israel.
They actually were very unpopular even in 1946 when Menachem Begin blew up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel.

 

[HikerGuy83]

The only real "terrorist" is the US.

If you live here, why don't you do us all a favor and leave. Nobody likes a whining turncoat.

What do you call it when the US illegally destroys the democracy in Iran in 1953?

Another one of your lies.

The Iranian Army did the work.

What do you call it when the US illegally prevents the plebiscite in Vietnam and installs Diem as dictator?

The U.S. fullfilling its obligation since it didn't sign the 1953 accords. Again....learn history you jackass.

What do you all it when the US gives Saddam permission to invade Kuwait, and they blows up everyone on the Highway of Death?

What are you drinking?

What do you call it when we lie about WMD so we can invade Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, the Ukraine, Palestine, etc.?

That is not terrorism. Stupid.

 

[Rigby5]

According to who or what ?

The only legal rights they have are the ones they can defend. And I can assure you that if we get serious, they won't have a rag left to cover their head by the time we are done.

Wrong.
If you believe in a republic, then all individual everywhere in the whole world have equally valid individual rights.
So then it is inherently criminal to abuse those rights.
Legislation is NOT a source of rights or legal authority, the defense if individual rights are.
So clearly it is illegal for anyone to have nukes but the prevent Iran from having a defensive nuclear deterrent.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I nominate this for stupid statement of the century.

Well that is an example of Rigby’s ignorance. The Iranian leaders can’t seem to open their mouths without saying “death to America” or “death to Israel”. I regard those statements as open threats.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Wrong.
The whole world has turned against Israel.
They actually were very unpopular even in 1946 when Menachem Begin blew up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel.

Done with your leftist chants asshole.

Iran will get it's ass kicked long before any bruises show up on Isreal.

And all your conspiracy theories mean nothing to me.

 

[Rigby5]

Oh no.....

When does Isreal go to trial ?????

They did something illegal ?

The US has blocked actions against Israel so far, but just about everyone else is against them.
Israel obviously committed first degree murder.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Well that is an example of Rigby’s ignorance. The Iranian leaders can’t seem to open their mouths without saying “death to America” of “death to Israel”. I regard those statements as open threats.

They are open threats.

Rigby5 is simply a massive jackass.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Wrong.
By illegally attacking Iran, Israel has proven that the Ayatollahs have been correct all this time, that there really are evil threats trying to attack Iran, and that they need to keep their powerful military.
Support for the Ayatollah was skyrocketed since this illegal attack.

Iran has been attacking Israel for decades. It has funded all of the Muslim terrorists that have killed hundreds of Israelis and attempted to kill hundreds of thousands more.

 

[Rigby5]

Up by a factor of 5 from what I hear.

His Aunts and Uncles joined his mistress in supporting him.

Wrong.
The embassy takeover in the 80s showed the US is hated so much that it makes the Ayatollahs look good in comparison.

 

[HikerGuy83]

If you believe in a republic, then all individual everywhere in the whole world have equally valid individual rights.

The one does not follow the other. You suck at logic.

You only have a republic when the governed agree to be governed. I didn't agree to anything with Iran.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Anyone attacking Iran has to be an idiot since drones capable or assassinating anyone are very cheap and easy to come by.
Anyone who tries to attack Iran will have a run in with a drone soon after.

So if that is true, how come Iran targets civilian apartments instead of surgical strikes against Israeli leaders like Israel has been doing to the Iranian leaders?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Wrong.
The embassy takeover in the 80s showed the US is hated so much that it makes the Ayatollahs look good in comparison.

Hahahahaha

You are as weak the ragheads in power.

They are crawling to us asking us to pull Isreal off of them. They are like a cage fighter with no punch left.

Begging for relief.

I hope Isreal continues to smear them for purposely attacking civilians

Iran is and always has been the terrorist state.